Adios Tariq

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[quote="Paultzman" post=276911][quote="Beast of the East" post=276901][quote="frank61" post=276892]Unless I am reading this wrong, he is graduating in May. Paultz said he has not asked for a release, so he may play as a graduate, or am I wrong? Graduating should not be thought the same way as a kid who is still matriculating and leaves early.[/quote]

Why announce this then, except to see who will contact him. I would day he is gone. His dad always chat a with Lovett so the idea of greener pastures has been alive and well all season[/quote]

His family did ask for release subsequent to Zach B’s tweet. Father and son will meet with Mullin, but these things seldom go our way as we all know all too well.[/quote] It went our way w Amar LOL I read these boards hoping to see us add a grad transfer. Instead I see we are going backwards, loosing a big. It’s not that Tariq is that good, but more like we are so undermanned in the big dept. Even Clark is more of a 3 than a 4. Tariq is 6 11 w a big wing span. Never could understand his fathers insistance that he plays away from the basket. He is an ok shooter. He should be developing his inside game. Should be able to rebound better a get put backs. Would get plenty of burn here. Not sure what his father is looking for. Furthermore opposing coaches can promise him the moon and not deliver on their promise. Seems a bit of a gamble byTariq’s father. He would have gotten plenty of exposure on a good team if he returned.
 
rooting for this team freaking sucks. this is a dumb basketball move for TO but in a way i dont blame him for wanting to get away from this train wreck. Just hope he is the only one to leave, and that we can pick up a legit big man who can play right away. Doubt it tho.
 
The ‘wishing Tariq luck’ notion grates on me.
Sure, I wish him luck. All of us need ‘luck’ of some kind to make it along with our skills. It’s a crowded field ‘out there’ in just about every pursuit.
It doesn’t get more crowded than attempting to ‘go pro’ from college—with roughly 2% of college athletes ever playing ‘professionally’.
This is a very immature, ego-centric decision—one bordering on ‘fantasy’.
IF CM and Staff want him back—he should beg to be able to return to the team.
Right. That won’t happen.
Pride rages in the immature.
His dad should take serious stock of himself and the talents of his son.
Again. Right.
Never happen.
He’s gone.
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=276971]rooting for this team freaking sucks. this is a dumb basketball move for TO but in a way i dont blame him for wanting to get away from this train wreck. Just hope he is the only one to leave, and that we can pick up a legit big man who can play right away. Doubt it tho.[/quote]

No disrespect but it is players like him that are causing this train wreck!
I am the furthest thing from a Mullin zombie apologist but Williams, Ellison, LoVett, Zach Brown, Sid Wilson, etc. ALL contributed to this so-called train wreck. The one common denominator in this equation is not Mullin but Matt Abdelmassih. He has been a hit-or-miss recruiter from day one. Forget Shamorie Ponds as he was coming because he was sold on Chris and Mitch and wanted to stay home. All he is brining in are transfers that were not happy campers to begin with with their first choice and none even considered St, John's or vice-versa before coming. There is no natural bond to the program with our players.
As far as Tariq Owens leaving. .....goodbye! Fact is he is a role player and not a star nor a player that creates for himself or others. He has no strength to rebound or guard one-on-one. He could thrive in a running game which Mullin coaches but he wants a guarantee that he is more than a rotation player. Could he have handled the big and talented Arizona front line of three McDonald’s AA's last night on defense the way that 6'8 240lb kid fro Buffalo did? FCK NO!
As long as Shamorie returns we should be fine as long as the staff brings in two bigs.
 
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[quote="RM86" post=276957][quote="Paultzman" post=276956]In simplest terms Tariq’s dad did not agree with so much of our offense flowing through perimeter guys & that hampering his professional aspirations. I certainly disagree with him assuming a greater role in the offense and many dads struggle being objective.

We can rationalize all we want, but the roster churn here precludes continuity and ongoing success. Elite programs can afford that, but SJU can’t in my opinion.

Good luck to Tariq. He certainly hustled here and despite some limitations brought a lot to the table.[/quote]

Dad is a great follow on twitter and his devotion for Tariq is awesome but if you watch college hoops very few teams run their offense through big men. The college game is by and large a guards game. Good Luck to the Owens family.[/quote]
Can't run your offense through a big like TO because 1) he can't establish post position, 2) has trouble catching the ball, 3) he is not a good passer, 4) doesn't see the court, 5) has no post moves. Save for those 5 reasons it would be a very good idea to run our offense through TO.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=276976]The ‘wishing Tariq luck’ notion grates on me.
Sure, I wish him luck. All of us need ‘luck’ of some kind to make it along with our skills. It’s a crowded field ‘out there’ in just about every pursuit.
It doesn’t get more crowded than attempting to ‘go pro’ from college—with roughly 2% of college athletes ever playing ‘professionally’.
This is a very immature, ego-centric decision—one bordering on ‘fantasy’.
IF CM and Staff want him back—he should beg to be able to return to the team.
Right. That won’t happen.
Pride rages in the immature.
His dad should take serious stock of himself and the talents of his son.
Again. Right.
Never happen.
He’s gone.[/quote]

the love fest for TO and his dad on twitter rn is nauseating. Throwing praise at him for doing whats best for him bla bla bla. give me a break. Hes quitting on his team plain and simple.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=276977][quote="Storm Tracker" post=276971]rooting for this team freaking sucks. this is a dumb basketball move for TO but in a way i dont blame him for wanting to get away from this train wreck. Just hope he is the only one to leave, and that we can pick up a legit big man who can play right away. Doubt it tho.[/quote]

No disrespect but it is players like him that are causing this train wreck!
I am the furthest thing from a Mullin zombie apologist but Williams, Ellison, LoVett, Zach Brown, Sid Wilson, etc. ALL contributed to this so-called train wreck. The one common denominator in this equation is not Mullin but Matt Abdelmassih. He has been a hit-or-miss recruiter from day one. Forget Shamorie Ponds as he was coming because he was sold on Chris and Mitch and wanted to stay home. All he is brining in are transfers that were not happy campers to begin with with their first choice and none even considered St, John's or vice-versa before coming. There is no natural bond to the program with our players.
As far as Tariq Owens leaving. .....goodbye! Fact is he is a role player and not a star nor a player that creates for himself or others. He has no strength to rebound or guard one-on-one. He could thrive in a running game which Mullin coaches but he wants a guarantee that he is more than a rotation player. Could he have handled the big and talented Arizona front line of three McDonald’s AA's last night on defense the way that 6'8 240lb kid fro Buffalo did? FCK NO!
As long as Shamorie returns we should be fine as long as the staff brings in two bigs.[/quote]

Guess who is giving Matt free reign and not nearly pulling his weight on the recruiting trail?

As, I said yesterday.... Owens is replaceable, but I don't trust the staff to sufficiently fill the void.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=276977][quote="Storm Tracker" post=276971]rooting for this team freaking sucks. this is a dumb basketball move for TO but in a way i dont blame him for wanting to get away from this train wreck. Just hope he is the only one to leave, and that we can pick up a legit big man who can play right away. Doubt it tho.[/quote]

No disrespect but it is players like him that are causing this train wreck!
I am the furthest thing from a Mullin zombie apologist but Williams, Ellison, LoVett, Zach Brown, Sid Wilson, etc. ALL contributed to this so-called train wreck. The one common denominator in this equation is not Mullin but Matt Abdelmassih. He has been a hit-or-miss recruiter from day one. Forget Shamorie Ponds as he was coming because he was sold on Chris and Mitch and wanted to stay home. All he is brining in are transfers that were not happy campers to begin with with their first choice and none even considered St, John's or vice-versa before coming. There is no natural bond to the program with our players.
As far as Tariq Owens leaving. .....goodbye! Fact is he is a role player and not a star nor a player that creates for himself or others. He has no strength to rebound or guard one-on-one. He could thrive in a running game which Mullin coaches but he wants a guarantee that he is more than a rotation player. Could he have handled the big and talented Arizona front line of three McDonald’s AA's last night on defense the way that 6'8 240lb kid fro Buffalo did? FCK NO!
As long as Shamorie returns we should be fine as long as the staff brings in two bigs.[/quote]

Coudn't agree more on Matt. A year ago he was busy "exploring his options" before getting a raise for staying. It was just business for Matt and Renard noticed.
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=276981][quote="Chicago Days" post=276976]The ‘wishing Tariq luck’ notion grates on me.
Sure, I wish him luck. All of us need ‘luck’ of some kind to make it along with our skills. It’s a crowded field ‘out there’ in just about every pursuit.
It doesn’t get more crowded than attempting to ‘go pro’ from college—with roughly 2% of college athletes ever playing ‘professionally’.
This is a very immature, ego-centric decision—one bordering on ‘fantasy’.
IF CM and Staff want him back—he should beg to be able to return to the team.
Right. That won’t happen.
Pride rages in the immature.
His dad should take serious stock of himself and the talents of his son.
Again. Right.
Never happen.
He’s gone.[/quote]

the love fest for TO and his dad on twitter rn is nauseating. Throwing praise at him for doing whats best for him bla bla bla. give me a break. Hes quitting on his team plain and simple.[/quote]

If he and his dad feels they're doing what's best, then that's fine with me. Although, I think they might be a bit delusional.

The folks on Twitter schmoozing to 'em..... Most are kissing ass, and hope that'll sway the Owens's decision to return to St. John's.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=276965][quote="Monte" post=276962]I dont have a clue as to whether Tariq’s Dad is nice guy, an a-hole or something in between. Buts let’s please stop elevating him to saInthood because he’s “devoted to his son”. For Christ’s sake, a parent is supposed to be devoted to their kids!![/quote]

lets be real theres a lot of brown nosing going on on twitter from st johns fans and i think they are sucking up hoping he will decide Tariq is staying.. if tariq commits to another school there won't be so many complements being thrown around[/quote]

I’ll be damned if I’m ever gonna brown nose a basketball player, let alone a very mediocre one and let alone his Dad. I don’t wish Tariq anything bad, but nor do I give a crap about what happens to him when he’s gone. In fact, I don’t give a crap already. I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, from the handlers to the coaches to so many of the kids, there’s very few people that I like anymore who are involved with college basketball. And that’s a damn shame for me, since college basketball in general, and the Redmen in particular, are the one sport that I am still really passionate about.
 
I feel like a lot of the posters here are expressing their frustrations surrounding the team and letting that reflect on individuals / kids. I get it, season was a disappointment and we haven't been relevant but it's all perspective... if guys don't want to be here then so be it, theres no need to even bother with that stuff. Let's hope things turn around with the group we have and see who comes in to replace.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=276977][quote="Storm Tracker" post=276971]rooting for this team freaking sucks. this is a dumb basketball move for TO but in a way i dont blame him for wanting to get away from this train wreck. Just hope he is the only one to leave, and that we can pick up a legit big man who can play right away. Doubt it tho.[/quote]

No disrespect but it is players like him that are causing this train wreck!
I am the furthest thing from a Mullin zombie apologist but Williams, Ellison, LoVett, Zach Brown, Sid Wilson, etc. ALL contributed to this so-called train wreck. The one common denominator in this equation is not Mullin but Matt Abdelmassih. He has been a hit-or-miss recruiter from day one. Forget Shamorie Ponds as he was coming because he was sold on Chris and Mitch and wanted to stay home. All he is brining in are transfers that were not happy campers to begin with with their first choice and none even considered St, John's or vice-versa before coming. There is no natural bond to the program with our players.
As far as Tariq Owens leaving. .....goodbye! Fact is he is a role player and not a star nor a player that creates for himself or others. He has no strength to rebound or guard one-on-one. He could thrive in a running game which Mullin coaches but he wants a guarantee that he is more than a rotation player. Could he have handled the big and talented Arizona front line of three McDonald’s AA's last night on defense the way that 6'8 240lb kid fro Buffalo did? FCK NO!
As long as Shamorie returns we should be fine as long as the staff brings in two bigs.[/quote]

Great post ‘72. The risky trade off with ‘transfers’ is that they seem in search of something ‘beyond their grasp’ and do not easily establish ‘bonds’ with their new school or their teams.
But, we’ve had quickly disgruntled ‘freshmen’ recruits as well in the cases of Wilson, Ellison, Sima, and LoVett—so the larger problem is our modern college ‘game’ and the ‘fantasy’ notions of many players.
We’ll get at least 1 Big, and maybe Keita is competitive, and Roberts surprises us with super athleticism—and 1-2 other ‘mystery’ recruits may help next year—but the absolute key is Shamorie Ponds.
He must return—or next season wil again be a total rebuild.
As an aside, I wonder what these guys ‘say’ to each other: “Like Tariq, bruh—what are you thinking man?”
 
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[quote="usguard" post=276857]I AM NOT GOING TO LOSE FAITH IN THE COACH AND STAFF. AS I said, think big players coming in more than make up if he does leave I do have my issues with coach and staff but will give them next yr before calling for their heads. Looking for a big turnaround next yr[/quote]
who is to blame for the revolving door we have? More players transfer than stay in our program. This needs to STOP, and the staff is ultimately to blame. Unless we land some quality players we will be caught with our pants down again ( no offense Fran)....pathetic, especially when we lose quality players
 
Chicago Days wrote: But, we’ve had quickly disgruntled ‘freshmen’ recruits as well in the cases of Wilson, Ellison, Sima, and LoVett—so the larger problem is our modern college ‘game’ and the ‘fantasy’ notions of many players.

Chicago Days, I enjoy and respect your posts, but have to disagree on this one. If the constant churning we are experiencing is due to the "modern college game and the fantasy notions of many players", why do the better Big East programs not have this problem? Unfortunately, I have to conclude it is not due to the modern college game and inflated expectations, but to the current state of our program.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=276998]Chicago Days wrote: But, we’ve had quickly disgruntled ‘freshmen’ recruits as well in the cases of Wilson, Ellison, Sima, and LoVett—so the larger problem is our modern college ‘game’ and the ‘fantasy’ notions of many players.

Chicago Days, I enjoy and respect your posts, but have to disagree on this one. If the constant churning we are experiencing is due to the "modern college game and the fantasy notions of many players", why do the better Big East programs not have this problem? Unfortunately, I have to conclude it is not due to the modern college game and inflated expectations, but to the current state of our program.[/quote]

Good point, NC Johnnie. I think it’s the combination between what our program has become over most of the past 20 years with bad coaching and bad or poorly executed recruiting strategies.
We’ve had to go the modern transfer route and reach for kids that are ‘starry-eyed’ with NBA dreams and a ‘fantasy island’ view of th their abilities.
That’s one reason why I applaud recruiting Josh Roberts and Marcellus Earlington and Greg Williams—whose ‘profiles’ seem to be talented / promising kids but also seem grounded with balance and who seem to ‘want to’ be at St. John’s.
 
[quote="Moses Thambuswamy" post=276991]I feel like a lot of the posters here are expressing their frustrations surrounding the team and letting that reflect on individuals / kids. I get it, season was a disappointment and we haven't been relevant but it's all perspective... if guys don't want to be here then so be it, theres no need to even bother with that stuff. Let's hope things turn around with the group we have and see who comes in to replace.[/quote]

I think a lot of the posters here are delusional; we had a huge hole to climb out of and it certainly remains to be seen if this staff can do it. But not one of the posters can show me a remotely comparable situation where a team was this quickly one quitter away from possibly challenging for an NCAA bid, especially competing in a high level, balanced conference like the BE. I know reality sucks for all the whining posters here but there it is. Yes, I would like to see Owens stay but I would have loved to see LoVett not use a minor injury as a reason to quit but that is the world we live in. If people want to blame those decisions on Mullin so be it.
 
Chicago Days wrote: That’s one reason why I applaud recruiting Josh Roberts and Marcellus Earlington and Greg Williams—whose ‘profiles’ seem to be talented / promising kids but also seem grounded with balance and who seem to ‘want to’ be at St. John’s.

Completely agree with the above point.
 
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