Ackerman should be fired

logen said:
And no strategy is ever implemented for the first time? What relevancy does it not happening in the past have to what was done this year? You are completely skirting around the fact that the application of negative criteria could also be applied to many of the bubble teams selected but very coincidentally was only applied to the BE teams. The Virginia explanation was an insult ( just an out and out fabrication really) since it flew in the face of the actual numbers, numbers a 5th grader could have interpreted correctly.
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What the hell are you talking about? I was responding to a comment how it seemed weird that us nor the Hall were on CBS during the selection show and I am adding no team on the bubble was on TV last night and I don’t recall that ever happening do in fact I am agreeing with that post. It makes It seem hat something is up.

I am not skirting any issue. Metrics like Net or the other one means nothing to me. What means something is level of competition and winning games. Do what you are supposed to do which is win games like BC and Michigan, don‘t blow huge leads and lose to Seton Hall and Marquette and close out other close games and put them in the W column instead of the L one. Do that and this is a moot point concerning St. John’s. Never leave it in the hands of a committee or other teams because you are on a bubble because unless you’re Michigan State, you have the real possibility that things will not go your way. I am not going to argue metrics because in the end it’s all BS because you can pick and chose what metrics to use, how to use them and when to use them to make it fit the outcome you want. I am not going to rely on some metric to get me in the tournament but rely on my team to win enough so it doesn’t even need to be brought up.

The Big East should have had more than three, no doubt with Seton Hall the one who got jobbed the most IMHO. The Big East was devalued this year and it shouldn’t have been while the ACC should have been devalued more. I have pretty much said those sentiments in other post so again, what am I skirting?
 
kranmars said:
1. Having a the coach of the national champions comment is not a big deal. That is standard. Using your argument, couldn’t that be considered trying to sway the committee?

2. A conference commissioner must speak up. Yes, a part of the job is to lobby on behalf of it, especially when the outcome affects your business negatively. This is true regardless of how much it will change the outcome, if at all. The ACC commissioner went to bat for Florida State when the selection committee was picking the college football playoffs.

3. It is not so much about factual evidence in the present, as it can have lingering negative effects. If the BE just quietly takes this, the committee (and the public at large) can look at it as the committee got it right. The politicking does not have to bring an immediate victory. It can be used as the foundation to future success.
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You make fair points. And I'm certainly not here to defend Val, just to share a different perspective. The way I see it, college sports is a billion dollar industry and the NCAA has a alot of incentive to to keep some of their biggest members happy. Not much incentive to keep the Big East happy at this point.
 
It doesn’t look good that every media member including national and local writers, barstool sports bloggers, high engagement big East fan Twitter handles and former players/coaches are all speaking and our commissioner hasn’t said shit publicly

This is a prime example of failed leadership. Sorry Val
 
SJU85 said:
What the hell are you talking about? I was responding to a comment how it seemed weird that us nor the Hall were on CBS during the selection show and I am adding no team on the bubble was on TV last night and I don’t recall that ever happening do in fact I am agreeing with that post. It makes It seem hat something is up.

I am not skirting any issue. Metrics like Net or the other one means nothing to me. What means something is level of competition and winning games. Do what you are supposed to do which is win games like BC and Michigan, don‘t blow huge leads and lose to Seton Hall and Marquette and close out other close games and put them in the W column instead of the L one. Do that and this is a moot point concerning St. John’s. Never leave it in the hands of a committee or other teams because you are on a bubble because unless you’re Michigan State, you have the real possibility that things will not go your way. I am not going to argue metrics because in the end it’s all BS because you can pick and chose what metrics to use, how to use them and when to use them to make it fit the outcome you want. I am not going to rely on some metric to get me in the tournament but rely on my team to win enough so it doesn’t even need to be brought up.

The Big East should have had more than three, no doubt with Seton Hall the one who got jobbed the most IMHO. The Big East was devalued this year and it shouldn’t have been while the ACC should have been devalued more. I have pretty much said those sentiments in other post so again, what am I skirting?
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Whatever, I am wasting both our times, my bad……
 
eagleblue1 said:
The Big East needs a Great Sales/Marketing Person to lead and be there commissioner. Not sure if Val Ackerman is that person! Here is a thought and not even sure if he would want the job and is available, Jay Wright could be an excellent commissioner!
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You really want that guy who melted when given the opportunity to question the head of the selection committee steering this league and negotiating the TV/Streaming deals?

This league was considered dead ten years ago. We were going to Tulane to rescue it. People forget how bad things were.
 
SJU85 said:
Bottom line is WE didn’t do enough, I mean we were holding onto the fact we hung in with and lost a close game to UCONN to bolster our chances to making it to the dance. Kind of sad.
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I think in a lot of years, and in the past when the BE was thought of more highly, we would have gotten in. It is inexcusable that we only got the 3 bids, and even if Seton Hall was the 4th, we should have had that at a minimum. But, agree totally that we left a lot of opportunities on the table. It is inexcusable that we lost so many games in which we had large half time leads and double digit second half leads. So, despite the hope and prayers, our performance was not enough to overcome the apparent bias against the league. This team could have jelled sooner and probably should have. Some players played with very inconsistent motors, especially during that 10 game strech. I don't know why we underperformed until the very end. But we did. So, while we had a good argument to make, and we definitely have a beef about the league being undervalued, it is hard to second guess the committee when we gave them every excuse to exclude us.
 
room112 said:
You make fair points. And I'm certainly not here to defend Val, just to share a different perspective. The way I see it, college sports is a billion dollar industry and the NCAA has a alot of incentive to to keep some of their biggest members happy. Not much incentive to keep the Big East happy at this point.
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To that extent I agree (especially the part about me making valid points 😉).

On a serious note, because the NCAA does not have any incentive to keep the Big East happy, is precisely why the conference needs an aggressive and vocal leader.
 
Three bids for the second best conference in the country? That's the first step towards being seen by recruits and donors as a mid-major. Commissioners at the football conferences already see us that way. They screamed it yesterday.
Apparently Ms Ackerman isn't strong enough to stem that image.
The marketing of the Big East totally blows. Where's Val?
The selling of Big East schools to the selection committee was non existent. Where was Val? It sounds as if the "Big Conference" commissioners were laughing at her.
Does anyone think our commissioner is strong enough to compete in this multi-billion dollar business?
We're seeing massive conference mergers from football schools with no thoughts of tradition. It's all about the money.
Instead of wringing her hands at a news conference as some are suggesting, she should be on the phones right now talking to athletic directors at schools in other conferences.
We need someone who thinks outside the box.
We have a TV contract coming up. Options? We can go to ESPN (the people who screwed the old Big East big time while practically dismantling it)) and hope for a sweetheart deal. We can go to Fox Sports while bending over and spreading our cheeks with the hope they won't take advantage of our new mid-major image. Or we can expand the conference in a way that changes that. Schools in cities like St Louis, Richmond, Dayton, near Miami or Boston, would expand viewership in those areas..making it palatable for Fox to open its wallets a bit more.
The bottom line is we're not seen as much different than the other mid majors and it'll only get worse unless something different is done.
 
kranmars said:
Unethical to try to sway picks? This happens all the time, in front of and behind the cameras. Especially with footage and basketball since that is where the majority of the money is found.

You don’t think the ACC made a few calls which moved the needle for unworthy teams getting selected?

This is not a reactionary exercise in the blame game. It is a reaction to the leader of the BE being nowhere to be found after it was screwed out of bids, which have monetary implications.

Some of the defense of Ackerman is astounding.
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I agree with mostly all of your posts on the disrespect shown the BE Conference on the selection of this year’s NCAA Tournament teams .
I’m still working on the Armless Cyclops which immediately brought to mind the movie “ Jason and the Argonauts .” If I recall the Cyclops also had 2 heads but , No matter your referencing it was clever . And funny .
I wouldn’t categorize Ackerman that way but , understand all our frustrations
A couple of things . I don’t regard our not being selected as our fault as much as it is a BE Conference failure . Being relegated to 3 teams instead of 6 is a disgrace !
Agree that Ackerman should have called a major Press Conference in NYC and gotten on the local Stations to protest the exclusions .
The NCAA Committee can spin their Metrics nonsense any way they want but , it doesn’t wash as a valid explanation .
I also laugh at the Committee continuing NC, Houston , Purdue as number 1 seeds after all 3 failed miserably in their League Tournaments .
Which says to me , the numb nuts had their Number 1’s seeds all locked up . How come ?

And , why do St Mary’s and Gonzaga get into the tournament every year by playing in a league that is weaker than half the other BB Conferences in America , I haven’t looked but , how do either of those 2 teams accumulate Metrics ? Just by playing each other ?
Neither the Zags nor the Gaels would finish in the top 6 of the BE , if they were in our League . It’s really a MiD Major Conference and has been for years .

I was also surprised and miffed that Jay Wright didn’t register 1 iota of comment on the BE getting only 3 bids . I taped the show and only listened to the Selections and not much of the BS being pushed by Kellogg , Seth Davis , etc . But , Wright didn’t step up at all . Et Tu, Jay?

Lastly , shame on PC , SH , Butler , Xavier for accepting the left out NIT bids .
Ackerman should have declared “ no BE team will play in the NIT !”
The NIT is a NCAA owned bastard child . It’s become second rate because the NCAA wants it that way .
The NCAA is a bully Bureau that wields excessive power .. It’s past time for Colleges in America to rebel against its dysfunction.

Look what they did to Florida State in the football playoffs last season .

Now they are going to expand their lunacy to 14 playoff teams in football and most every College in BB . Madness ! And , not just in March .

The BE should exit the NCAA and create their own Sports Organization . The BE Tournament would become our National Championship . It’s big enough to stand on its own .

Additionally , as much as it stings . If I were Commissioner I would recruit Duke , Wake Forest to join the BE for BB and all other sports , except Football . I would also make a Pilgrimage to South Bend to offer BB Membership and all other sports , except football to the Irish .

ND, with its stand alone NBC football contract is powerful enough to join any League it wants for football and dictate terms of their participation .

Which gives them the chance they covet chasing a National Football Championship . A title quest that will always escape them , since they still require some semblance of Academic preparation .

My proposed new BE would be all Private Schools , mostly Catholic but , not totally .
I even might consider BC and Syracuse for reinstatement , as they could provide ND along with Duke , Wake Forest , Syracuse , BC and UCONN a 8 team Football league .

Of course , this is all Utopian fantasy but , it would seriously cut a big chunk of NCAA power from the Arsenal .
 
newsman13 said:
Three bids for the second best conference in the country? That's the first step towards being seen by recruits and donors as a mid-major. Commissioners at the football conferences already see us that way. They screamed it yesterday.
Apparently Ms Ackerman isn't strong enough to stem that image.
The marketing of the Big East totally blows. Where's Val?
The selling of Big East schools to the selection committee was non existent. Where was Val? It sounds as if the "Big Conference" commissioners were laughing at her.
Does anyone think our commissioner is strong enough to compete in this multi-billion dollar business?
We're seeing massive conference mergers from football schools with no thoughts of tradition. It's all about the money.
Instead of wringing her hands at a news conference as some are suggesting, she should be on the phones right now talking to athletic directors at schools in other conferences.
We need someone who thinks outside the box.
We have a TV contract coming up. Options? We can go to ESPN (the people who screwed the old Big East big time while practically dismantling it)) and hope for a sweetheart deal. We can go to Fox Sports while bending over and spreading our cheeks with the hope they won't take advantage of our new mid-major image. Or we can expand the conference in a way that changes that. Schools in cities like St Louis, Richmond, Dayton, near Miami or Boston, would expand viewership in those areas..making it palatable for Fox to open its wallets a bit more.
The bottom line is we're not seen as much different than the other mid majors and it'll only get worse unless something different is done.
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If Marquette and Creighton actually make some noise in the NCAAs for once, then we wouldn't be the league that overly relies on one team for success.

And yes, I'm talking as an STJ fan with an abysmal two, three decades of futility.

But someone other than Villanova and UConn has to step up for the conference.
 
MainMan said:
If Marquette and Creighton actually make some noise in the NCAAs for once, then we wouldn't be the league that overly relies on one team for success.

And yes, I'm talking as an STJ fan with an abysmal two, three decades of futility.

But someone other than Villanova and UConn has to step up for the conference.
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Creighton was in the Elite 8 last year and Sweet 16 in 2021.
 
We had scumbag politician willing take up our fight In Murphy. The commissioner is some where asleep in North Jersey. My buddy who worked in media for 25 yrs, I told him she once commissioner of WNBA he spit out his coffee started laughing. If you just take us out of equation ( we’ve been shit for 10 years) if you go back 10 years we’ve had 3 national championships only ACC more. One being last year Uconn, she has no excuses! If I am Randy Freer or powers that be at Fox literally getting conference for pennies on the dollar in next negotiations.
 
MainMan said:
All well and good.
But it's time McDermott stops being Gene Keady and gets to a FF. Time to take that next step.
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The Big Ten hasn't won a championship since dial-up internet. They still get respected.

I truly don't think the Big East will get credit from Middle America by any results in this tournament, no matter what. It's just an implicit bias baked in by ESPN basically doing a blackout of our coverage and football taking supreme in all things.
 
Larry Wright said:
To me, the craziest/ scariest thing is from what I have read/ heard, if we had beaten UCONN and lost BET title game, still wouldn’t have gotten in.
Seems the committee had their teams set and could only play in if won conference tournaments.
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Disagree...if that was the case then Texas A&M and Colorado don't get in. Hell, Texas A&M was looking in from the outside one week ago by any objective measure.
 
dk423 said:
The Big Ten hasn't won a championship since dial-up internet. They still get respected.

I truly don't think the Big East will get credit from Middle America by any results in this tournament, no matter what. It's just an implicit bias baked in by ESPN basically doing a blackout of our coverage and football taking supreme in all things.
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My only point is that if the BE wants to recover from this slight there is only one way to do it: The teams that are in have to win big.

That sends a much bigger message than Ackerman lashing out or whatever it is people here want her to do.
 
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