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guinness77 said:
We lost to the 23rd ranked team on the road for our first loss of the season. I didn’t get to see the game due to family obligations. For all intents and purposes, reading the last 5 or 6 pages of this thread, as a Johnnies fan…I should jump off a cliff or something? Season over? You guys tell me.
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Bad start again, for the last 35 minutes we outscored them. On the road, against a ranked team from the Big 12. While shooting terribly, and playing our worst game.

Think about that for a second and you have to see a lot of positives. A lot.
 
redstorm80 said:
With all do respect, McDermott has won over 60% of Big East games since joining the conference and in just the last 2 years has won 3 tournament games

Maybe Anderson will eventually have success here but it’s completely fair to fans/media to be critical especially after laying a complete egg today
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With all do respect, McDermott has never been to an elite 8, Mike Anderson has. We can debate coach history all day long, but we're talking about this season right here. This year, this season, McDermott has a team most projected as a top 10 team and they lost at home by 10 to Nebraska, a team projected to finish last in their conference. St. John's a team projected 6th in their conference, beat that Nebraska team by 20 points. So, let's keep it fair, if we're going to say CMA is a bad coach and is unprepared and team is undisciplined when he losses to a rank team on the road, let's keep that same energy and say the same thing about McDermott when he losses at home to an inferior team.
 
MakingPlays said:
With all do respect, McDermott has never been to an elite 8, Mike Anderson has. We can debate coach history all day long, but we're talking about this season right here. This year, this season, McDermott has a team most projected as a top 10 team and they lost at home by 10 to Nebraska, a team projected to finish last in their conference. St. John's a team projected 6th in their conference, beat that Nebraska team by 20 points. So, let's keep it fair, if we're going to say CMA is a bad coach and is unprepared and team is undisciplined when he losses to a rank team on the road, let's keep that same energy and say the same thing about McDermott when he losses at home to an inferior team.
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Great post. Keep it a buck. Basketball can be fickle. One game doesn’t make a season.

And image if this St John’s team would’ve lost to Nebraska at home.. 🤯
 
MakingPlays said:
With all do respect, McDermott has never been to an elite 8, Mike Anderson has. We can debate coach history all day long, but we're talking about this season right here. This year, this season, McDermott has a team most projected as a top 10 team and they lost at home by 10 to Nebraska, a team projected to finish last in their conference. St. John's a team projected 6th in their conference, beat that Nebraska team by 20 points. So, let's keep it fair, if we're going to say CMA is a bad coach and is unprepared and team is undisciplined when he losses to a rank team on the road, let's keep that same energy and say the same thing about McDermott when he losses at home to an inferior team.
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Didn’t imply I thought Anderson was a bad coach, but in year 4 of his tenure where we haven’t even made the NIT I would hope the bar is higher then beating an awful Nebraska team

The point re McDermott, is what he has done at Creighton both long term and in recent years gives him the benefit of the doubt for having a shitty game. The Jays have won big games when it has mattered, St. John’s has not. In year 4, it’s time to win and prove the program is heading in the right direction
 
redstorm80 said:
With all do respect, McDermott has won over 60% of Big East games since joining the conference and in just the last 2 years has won 3 tournament games

Maybe Anderson will eventually have success here but it’s completely fair to fans/media to be critical especially after laying a complete egg today
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Ironically, before Creighton, he was at Iowa St. for four years, and never had a winning record.

I think Creighton wanted his son more than they wanted him, but it's obviously worked out.
 
redstorm80 said:
Didn’t imply I thought Anderson was a bad coach, but in year 4 of his tenure where we haven’t even made the NIT I would hope the bar is higher then beating an awful Nebraska team

The point re McDermott, is what he has done at Creighton both long term and in recent years gives him the benefit of the doubt for having a shitty game. The Jays have won big games when it has mattered, St. John’s has not. In year 4, it’s time to win and prove the program is heading in the right direction
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My posts was directed at posters on here that love going into the "Around the Big East" thread and bragging on other coaches in the conference when they win and always bashing their own coach even in a win, but when those coaches lose they are conveniently absent from posting there. I don't like hypocrisy like that, and I'm calling it out.

If Mike Anderson is a bad coach in the half court based on losing one game where he scored in the 50's, then so is Greg McDermott, I don't care what either coach did a year ago or 2 years ago. Mike Anderson won COY and Patrick Ewing won the Big East tournament 2 years ago, does anybody care about that right now? This is the 2022-2023 season.
 
otis said:
….. who do you believe is more likely to next make the Elite 8 ….. McDermot or Anderson ?
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He asked me about the past. I'm not fortune teller. The tournament is about match-ups, I'd have to see a bracket and see who they are up against. But, considering McDermott has been a head coach 28 years and failed to get that far even at the Division 2 level, I wouldn't put my money on him if I had to make a choice.
 
otis said:
It sure seems that the St. John’s offense consists of attempting to beat the other team down the court, and if unsuccessful in getting the quick basket then to past the ball around without any pattern and either turning the ball over or forcing a shot.

Let’s hope CMA installs some kind of structured offense other than the “hero” ball that has characterized St. John’s mens basketball during the past 4 seasons.
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That used to call Shamorie Ponds teams “Hero Ball” also!
 
Johnny Rapper said:
Well the staff screwed that up as well cause I never want Wusu in there. At least they are consistent. 😂👍
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Gotcha, so what you really meant was "Why didn't Stanley play??????????????????????" But in your exuberance you said, "Why didn't Wusu and Stanley play?????????????????", because, as we know, you "never want Wusu in there". At least you are consistent.:rolleyes:
 
The season ain't over because of today's performance , but anyone who can't see our flaws, which were magnified today because we faced a legit team, is blinded by loyalty to the school and/or CMA. We didn't have a bad shooting game, we don't have shooters to speak of. There's a difference. We also don't have an effective half court offense. Those are just some of our issues, so please cut the bullshit excuses. If our flaws aren't corrected, those that can be corrected, it's gonna be a very long season.
 
otis said:
….. who do you believe is more likely to next make the Elite 8 ….. McDermot or Anderson ?
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If coaching alone did the trick, I'm taking Otzelberger over both of them.

We have talented players. One game does not a ship sink, yet there are already rats abandoning. Even worse, there are rats who for some reason seem to want us to lose. I think I prefer to scurry up the sails and wait until the bitter end. Better for stress levels that way. Some of you seem like you'll be dead by Hanukkah.
 
BigRed2 said:
Great post. Keep it a buck. Basketball can be fickle. One game doesn’t make a season.

And image if this St John’s team would’ve lost to Nebraska at home.. 🤯
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If CMA, would have lost at home to Nebraska by 10, those same guys gloating today would literally be on a 24 hour fire Mike Anderson marathon. You would never hear the end of it. But another coach does it that they normally praise with a better team and it's silence on that topic for them. But, CMA losses on the road to a rank team the week after that team upsets the #1 team in the nation and it's "I told you so, I knew they weren't good, I watch every game and told you they were bad."
 
monte said:
The season ain't over because of today's performance , but anyone who can't see our flaws, which were magnified today because we faced a legit team, is blinded by loyalty to the school and/or CMA. We didn't have a bad shooting game, we don't have shooters to speak of. There's a difference. We also don't have an effective half court offense. Those are just some of our issues, so please cut the bullshit excuses. If our flaws aren't corrected, those that can be corrected, it's gonna be a very long season.
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What team doesn't have flaws? I watch every Lakers game with the arguably the best player of all time in Lebron James and that team has many flaws. Every team at every level has flaws. I'm not sure the teams you are watching that don't. And I don't care how many shooters you have on the team if you turn the ball over 20 times, you're not going to win many games. Taking care of the ball was more of an issue than anything today. If they have 10 turnovers rather than 20, they probably win this game, despite the shooting woes.
 
MakingPlays said:
What team doesn't have flaws? I watch every Lakers game with the arguably the best player of all time in Lebron James and that team has many flaws. Every team at every level has flaws. I'm not sure the teams you are watching that don't. And I don't care how many shooters you have on the team if you turn the ball over 20 times, you're not going to win many games. Taking care of the ball was more of an issue than anything today. If they have 10 turnovers rather than 20, they probably win this game, despite the shooting woes.
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Our two hyped point guards had 12 of the 20 turnovers.
After the first 10 minutes we scored TWO POINTS at the free throw line. We shot ZERO PERCENT during those 10 minutes.
We lost the game in those 10 minutes of the worst basketball a St. John's team has played in YEARS.
This team has not been ready to play in the first half all season thus far.
We are missing leaders on the court and on the sidelines thus far. No more Mr. NICE GUY coach!
Get Posh and Curbelo on the same page......that is our biggest flaw to date.
 
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