2023-24 Roster

Just a thought to be considered. These players are basically professionals, competing for NIL$. Without being guaranteed a starting spot, their NIL$ would be less. Entering the portal and looking for a favorable spot to increase their earnings would make sense.
just sayin
 
mjmaherjr said:
My last post for the day. First I trust in Rick completely and what I’m about to say isn’t a criticism. He wants his own players that’s fine.

For me personally one of the things that made Lavins first season special is the team sane players sucked under Norm so personally I was hoping the first season would be a turnaround with some of the core guys like Posh and Wusu. Again it’s not a criticism and some left on their own. it’s just what I was hoping for to see these kids improve as a team under Coach.

Hey I still miss my flip phone

Just my opinion nothing more nothing less
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My thoughts are that it will look a lot more like Lavin season two.
 
MJDinkins said:
Pitino probably would have to hire a psychiatrist to sit at the end of bench as well.

Curbelo was more than an "alright" player when he was focused, but too often he was "wildin' out." If Pitino can get the former, then I totally agree.
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Not worth the risk, on a kid who was probably the biggest reason for the dismal year we had.
 
fordham96 said:
BTW-From what I am told the door is not completely shut on possibly returning for some that have entered the Portal.

Most will not return but it would not shock me if 1 or 2 actually returned.

We'll see.
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I was thinking, or should I say hoping, that this was a possibility. I can't see more than 7 contributors coming in at this stage and if 2 or 3 are grad transfers then you are looking for 9 more next year. I trust RP to find a major upgrade for year two but we shall have to wait and see.
 
Redzing1969 said:
They were offered a position on next years team and turned it down. Their choice, NOT pushed out. No guarantees offered so they left. Your assessment is inaccurate. Everyone has to earn their PT is way it should be. That is path to winning !
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That’s not correct as to Wusu. Zach reporting that Posh wanted to satay but did not feel wanted
 
Dal975 said:
I'm 47 and basically grew up at Alumni Hall and was conditioned to believe St. John's would always be a national power. I've been deeply upset with the program for the past 23 years, and not OK at all with the recent state of things, and wholeheartedly welcome RP and an almost complete roster turnover. I am thrilled we will likely soon have a pipeline of 5* one and dones. I also enjoy talking about the past in the appropriate forum links. Likely a function of my middle age. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
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If you are 47 you were 9 the last tie STJ was a national power. early adopter. ;)
 
Rick Pitino has been voted his conference coach of the year 9 times in his career. He's been to the Final Four 7 times, exactly 5 more times than we've been in 70+ years. If you asked last year's roster, who believes they will someday play in the NBA, all would raise their hands. Their performance and actions say otherwise. When you remove the 9,10, and 11th team in conference, our team went 2-12 and frequently let games slip away in the final minutes. Coaching and preparedness are a factor, but so is the lack of ability for any roster player to make the big play in the big moment. No one stepped up in those big conference battles with the game on the line.

If any of our players don't want to play here for Rick Pitino, honestly, I don't want them. Some played hard on the court, some had a few big moments, but none will be transferring to play a vital role on a final four caliber team. Most are nice kids, some caused problems off the court that made this season a circus. Some kids need a fresh start. But make no mistake - Pitino doesn't say a single thing without purpose. Any kid with talent who would be fully committed to vastly improving his game, conditioning, and winning would be welcomed back.

The rest you can read any way you wish. I just trust this guy to know what he is doing. Without question, we've never had a coach with this much career success, and that means a lot. Already he is up at 5 A.M. and communicating with staff. More energy and commitment than coaches half his age.
 
austour said:
If you are 47 you were 9 the last tie STJ was a national power. early adopter. ;)
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I definitely appreciate that sentiment and recognize the tongue in cheek but I certainly think there was a sense of national relevance and matching expectations through just about 2000. When Felipe and Zendon committed I thought the final four was guaranteed, and then you had the the final 99-00 run. Anyway, I digress from this topic. No more from me on this tangent!
 
Beasts of the East said:
Rick Pitino has been voted his conference coach of the year 9 times in his career. He's been to the Final Four 7 times, exactly 5 more times than we've been in 70+ years. If you asked last year's roster, who believes they will someday play in the NBA, all would raise their hands. Their performance and actions say otherwise. When you remove the 9,10, and 11th team in conference, our team went 2-12 and frequently let games slip away in the final minutes. Coaching and preparedness are a factor, but so is the lack of ability for any roster player to make the big play in the big moment. No one stepped up in those big conference battles with the game on the line.

If any of our players don't want to play here for Rick Pitino, honestly, I don't want them. Some played hard on the court, some had a few big moments, but none will be transferring to play a vital role on a final four caliber team. Most are nice kids, some caused problems off the court that made this season a circus. Some kids need a fresh start. But make no mistake - Pitino doesn't say a single thing without purpose. Any kid with talent who would be fully committed to vastly improving his game, conditioning, and winning would be welcomed back.

The rest you can read any way you wish. I just trust this guy to know what he is doing. Without question, we've never had a coach with this much career success, and that means a lot. Already he is up at 5 A.M. and communicating with staff. More energy and commitment than coaches half his age.
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To be fair... I'm a few decades younger than Pitino and even I'm starting to wake up naturally at 5:30 am. It's irks the heck out me. I imagine it's even worse for him. So let's not give him too much credit for taking advantage of being a septuagenarian. ;)
 
The only question I would like answered truthfully is how many of these kids were asked for buy in and just couldn’t commit. I mean we will NEVER know the conditions attached. The reason I am curious is if a HOF Coach with a proven track record dropped on my doorstep when I was 20 I think I would try very hard to get onboard.

I believe this is a two way street where some guys were not wanted but a couple appear to not want it. If that’s true it’s very telling. That may not be FAIR but …
 
Seen some people questioning the status of Jones and Curbelo since they haven't entered the portal yet. They've both used their one free transfer and unless they are on track to graduate after 3 years they would have to sit out a year if they transferred again. That's the only reason we haven't heard anything on them yet. They won't be playing here next year.
 
Moose said:
Some of these comments are pure comedy.

The exodus would have happened if CMA stayed.

So I ask who would you rather fill out a roster. Let’s stop putting lipstick on a pig
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Many of these kids would've left anyway is correct.

First off the lack of success would've led to turnover if MA had stayed.

Secondly it is the nature of the beast these days.

Third, new coaching staff is going to lead to transfers as well.

If SJU had gone 26-7 and the old coach left for Kentucky and the new staff was trying to hold things together but was having little luck then I would assume this would be a bridge/rebuilding year. But SJU did not have that type of year, they weren't even an NIT bubble team for crying out loud. The last staff was not successful and this roster was not well put together.

I don't wish bad things on any of them but I have ZERO concern over how many or who specifically is leaving. ZERO.

A lot of bad basketball has been played in the name of SJU the last decade or so. That is about to end. And if it takes new names on the back of the jerseys to change the culture then so be it. This isn't the Boys Scouts. This is a results oriented business and the guy taking over wasn't hired to placate certain fans or players.
 
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