2023-24 Rankings

ADORAZ said:
They use stats of high school rankings, how transfers did in other conferences, etc. (just as they've always done). They still have data, as for how accurate it is during the transfer times we live in is debatable. Lunardi for instance certainly has a model and he had us just outside the bracket. Also have seen other brackets with us outside them. Will Wilcher, an unproven freshmen push us way up in these models? I doubt it, but I think the general consensus will be that we'll be around a projected 10 seed (and thus not a Top 25 team). If that's the case then the expectations on here would be much higher than the general national consensus.
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I just find that “general consensus” to be difficult to conjure up and likely will span a wide range. 1 big factor is Rick Pitino. The only other factor are the kids we brought in to fill a roster.

Just to put it into perspective, our top 9 players looking at points per game averages statistically, put up a cumulative 112.4 ppg, mostly at the mid-high level. That average does not include our 2, 4-star recruits and also excludes an underused Ejiofor from Kansas, Sadiku and Traore.

Those same top 9 averaged 80.1% average from the FT line last year, which would have been ranked #1 in the country last year. Those players also all average in the 30% range for average 3-Pt percentage (Soriano excluded), which means everybody on the team can shoot.

I see a lot of talent there, and with Pitino at the helm, a pretty high upside.
 
Rankings and predictions at this point are absolutely meaningless. That includes GOOD or BAD. So many factors yet to be determined.

I know other schools haven’t even finished recruiting yet. In fact, if what we’ve heard is true and accurate, neither have we! On top of that, is a guy like Jenkins going to be eligible? Losing Jenkins could hurt us. An experienced back court player vs a true Freshman however talented. I bet a whole bunch of transfers are “up in the air” all over the Country? I believe some of these non Graduate transfers require “approvals”. How are people accounting for this?

On top of all that, NO ONE has had their first practice yet. I bet Pitino has an idea who “might” start or fit in the rotation but even he is projecting. Finally, none of these so called experts has even seen these teams play as it’s IMPOSSIBLE. They haven’t played. Most of them barely know the guys on their own team no less the top 50-100 teams or players in the Nation.

Fun to talk about but let’s not get caught up in or carried away by rankings. Lots of politics and BS involved during the season. I can only imagine the smoke right now. I think I’ll just enjoy the excitement.
 
MCNPA said:
I just find that “general consensus” to be difficult to conjure up and likely will span a wide range. 1 big factor is Rick Pitino. The only other factor are the kids we brought in to fill a roster.

Just to put it into perspective, our top 9 players looking at points per game averages statistically, put up a cumulative 112.4 ppg, mostly at the mid-high level. That average does not include our 2, 4-star recruits and also excludes an underused Ejiofor from Kansas, Sadiku and Traore.

Those same top 9 averaged 80.1% average from the FT line last year, which would have been ranked #1 in the country last year. Those players also all average in the 30% range for average 3-Pt percentage (Soriano excluded), which means everybody on the team can shoot.

I see a lot of talent there, and with Pitino at the helm, a pretty high upside.
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I agree we have a very high upside. Wouldn't surprise me if this is a Sweet 16 team (even though my expectations aren't that). Will be interesting to see where the computer models put us as well as the AP voters. I suspect the AP voters will have us significantly higher than the computer models (in large part due to the Pitino factor), but regardless it'll be very interesting to track.


Saw that Fanta will put us somewhere in his/Fox's Top 25, though I don't think he's an AP voter. Once we have more polls and rankings I'll update the lists. Will also start including polls which don't have us ranked so we can have a better sense if we'll be ranked preseason. Right now it's looking we'll be somewhere in the #24 to #29 range.
 
sjc88 said:
Rankings and predictions at this point are absolutely meaningless. That includes GOOD or BAD. So many factors yet to be determined.

I know other schools haven’t even finished recruiting yet. In fact, if what we’ve heard is true and accurate, neither have we! On top of that, is a guy like Jenkins going to be eligible? Losing Jenkins could hurt us. An experienced back court player vs a true Freshman however talented. I bet a whole bunch of transfers are “up in the air” all over the Country? I believe some of these non Graduate transfers require “approvals”. How are people accounting for this?

On top of all that, NO ONE has had their first practice yet. I bet Pitino has an idea who “might” start or fit in the rotation but even he is projecting. Finally, none of these so called experts has even seen these teams play as it’s IMPOSSIBLE. They haven’t played. Most of them barely know the guys on their own team no less the top 50-100 teams or players in the Nation.

Fun to talk about but let’s not get caught up in or carried away by rankings. Lots of politics and BS involved during the season. I can only imagine the smoke right now. I think I’ll just enjoy the excitement.
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Meaningless yes, but we haven't been ranked since the Mullin era (a very brief period) and now we might be ranked preseason for the first time in several decades. Definitely a fun topic for June.
 
rlogazino said:
Not to be a buzzkill at all, but Barttorvik currently has us projected at #70 based on our current roster and #8 on the Big East. Truthfully I don’t believe this and I’m full into the Top 25 hype, but I could see where hesitation comes from with respect to efficiency and projections.

www.barttorvik.com

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Never should have let Anderson go, fire Rick immediately
 
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rlogazino said:
Not to be a buzzkill at all, but Barttorvik currently has us projected at #70 based on our current roster and #8 on the Big East. Truthfully I don’t believe this and I’m full into the Top 25 hype, but I could see where hesitation comes from with respect to efficiency and projections.

www.barttorvik.com

St. John's 2024 Projected Roster & - Customizable College Basketball Tempo Free Stats - T-Rank

T-Rank College Basketball Ratings and Rankings. And fun.
www.barttorvik.com
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Thanks for that, not a buzzkill at all. Similar to some of the models I've seen over the last few weeks and one reason I'm keeping my expectations in check.
 
rlogazino said:
Not to be a buzzkill at all, but Barttorvik currently has us projected at #70 based on our current roster and #8 on the Big East. Truthfully I don’t believe this and I’m full into the Top 25 hype, but I could see where hesitation comes from with respect to efficiency and projections.

www.barttorvik.com

St. John's 2024 Projected Roster & - Customizable College Basketball Tempo Free Stats - T-Rank

T-Rank College Basketball Ratings and Rankings. And fun.
www.barttorvik.com
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That’s a bit absurd. No way this is accurate spot. Sure I’m having a bit of fun saying sweet sixteen and beyond but this take on it is so off base.
 
One thing I'm hoping to see under Pitino is our teams will take care of business against the cupcakes and leave no doubts in those games. Under each of our coaches over the past 2 decades, we've seen struggles and even losses at home to far inferior talent. I don't see Pitino letting that happen.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
To me a “realistic goal” for the players and the team, and what’s the actual expectations for the team, are 2 different things. Their goal will be to win the BE and go far in the tourney.
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Mase , do you think that our team this year will more talent and have a deeper roster than Kansas St did last season? Also, do you think Pitino is a better coach than Jerome Tang? My answer to both those questions are “yes”. I know every year is different and schedules are different, strength of conferences varies from year to year, but I think we should be shooting higher than just making the tournament based on what has transpired with our program the last two months.
 
Mean Gene said:
Mase , do you think that our team this year will more talent and have a deeper roster than Kansas St did last season? Also, do you think Pitino is a better coach than Jerome Tang? My answer to both those questions are “yes”. I know every year is different and schedules are different, strength of conferences varies from year to year, but I think we should be shooting higher than just making the tournament based on what has transpired with our program the last two months.
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I think that’s a loaded question. To be honest I think Kansas state for one, had 2 players as talented as just about any 1-2 punch in the country. Secondly, did anyone think they were an elite 8 team before the season started? Hell no.

So to your point, some teams out perform expectations. Some by far.

Do you think this roster is as talented as the UNC roster that had 4/5 starters returning from the National runner up the year before? There were other teams with better talent and more proven coaches than tang and kstate last year, that didn’t win a tourney game. Purdue and Arizona come to mind without looking.
 
Eric said:
How SWEET it will be. Just my opinion. I’m not lowballing us. Well maybe I am and we make the final 4?
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I hope so... I'll get a really nice free dinner out of it.

I have a 10 to 15 year ongoing bet with with a buddy.
If SJU goes to the Final 4, he takes me & my significant other out to really nice dinner.
If the Knicks win the NBA championship, I take him & his signifcant other out out to a really nice dinner.

We're still waiting....
But for both teams, times are changing. Someone may have pay up soon, if things break the right way.
 
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