2022-23 Season
- Thread starter bucketshardy
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Average game score in '22-'23 should be 50-48.
We’ve got pretty much 3 “ball guards”
Posh
Curbelo
King
2 guards/wings that can facilitate in half court:
Wusu
Pinzon
2 wings
Storr
Mathis
2 interior forwaards
Stanley
Traore
And 2 5’s
Soriano
Nyiwe
I’d think Wusu and Pinzon will rarely be asked to bring the ball up the court this year but both will facilitate in the half court. Mathis and Storr will get the majority of their minutes away from the 1-2 this year at the 3 or 4 if we go small. Don’t think they’ll be the second ball handler with the other guys we have.
Stanley might get a few minutes at the 5 but he seems like most natural fit at 4 if we want to go bigger next to Soriano/Nyiwe.
Lineup I want to see most
Curbelo
Posh
Storr
Wusu
Soriano
Posh
Curbelo
King
2 guards/wings that can facilitate in half court:
Wusu
Pinzon
2 wings
Storr
Mathis
2 interior forwaards
Stanley
Traore
And 2 5’s
Soriano
Nyiwe
I’d think Wusu and Pinzon will rarely be asked to bring the ball up the court this year but both will facilitate in the half court. Mathis and Storr will get the majority of their minutes away from the 1-2 this year at the 3 or 4 if we go small. Don’t think they’ll be the second ball handler with the other guys we have.
Stanley might get a few minutes at the 5 but he seems like most natural fit at 4 if we want to go bigger next to Soriano/Nyiwe.
Lineup I want to see most
Curbelo
Posh
Storr
Wusu
Soriano
MugCostanza
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Storr is ranked 90th on 247. Let's look at how the players in that range in the 21 class performed this past season:
84 - 0.8 ppg in 3.5mpg at Arizona
85 - Didn't play
86 - 9ppg in 18.9 mpg at South Carolina
87 - 2ppg in 7.7 mpg at Virginia
88- 3.3 ppg in 12.9mpg at Oklahoma
89 - 7.4 ppg in 21.3mpg at Colorado
90 - Didn't play (injured)
91 - Didn't play
92 - 2.8ppg in 10.9mpg at Marquette
Storr will likely be a very solid multi-year player here. Hopefully he will be at the high end of the range in terms of his impact Freshman year but I'm tempering expectations as far as an immediate impact is concerned.
Yeah but none of them were AJ Storr.
Johnny Rapper
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AT this point with what the team has, unless there is 180 degree improvement on just about every ones part, we are looking at a 9th to 11th place finish. As I have mentioned before, If Posh and Curbelo start/play together, unless one comes up with a three point shot, that leaves two non shooting guards from three. At the two we have Pinzon, Mathis and Wusu. Wusu was the only one with a decent outside shot but his stats in the Big East were not stellar. Pizon is know for his handle but offered little else including defense. Mathis could have a great game here and there but not consistent. The only true wing at this point is Storr and he's an unknown. At the 4-5 we have Soriano, Stanley and Niwye. None were rim protectors by any means which they will have to be to compensate for the small guards we will have. None of them has shown they can consistently hit the three much less score period with Soriano improving towards the end of the season and showing the most offensive up side. And Traore, again an unknown, inexperienced and untested.
So at this time, its too early to predict next season at all. Should a few wings (or Storr) offer the outside shooting we need, then perhaps we finish in the upper part of the lower half of the league. If Posh and Curbelo develop a dependable three point shot them they could end up in the upper half of the league, be a bubble team or an NIT invite, but that may be the max that we can hope for given the limited talent level.
So at this time, its too early to predict next season at all. Should a few wings (or Storr) offer the outside shooting we need, then perhaps we finish in the upper part of the lower half of the league. If Posh and Curbelo develop a dependable three point shot them they could end up in the upper half of the league, be a bubble team or an NIT invite, but that may be the max that we can hope for given the limited talent level.
Out of the top 40 shot blockers in the BE, in terms of blocks per 40 minutes, Nyiwe was 11th and Soriano was 5Th.
I'm confused. You said we are looking at a 9th to 11th place finish and seconds later you say at this time it's too early to predict next season ?
I disagree with the ninth to eleventh place prediction finish next season. Even with the possibility of bringing in a couple of outside shooters from the portal SJU is going to be a very poor outside shooting team but with quick defensive players like Curtelo, Posh, Mathis, Wusu and Nywie and decent defensive players like Pinzone and Stanley, SJU if all return is going to be a defensive nightmare for the competition.
If they take less three pointers than they have been taking and install Anderson’s forty minutes of hell strategy for all forty minutes and if they get any help from the two recruits and any future transfers they could surprise.
They are never going to shoot threes like Nova or Creighton and next season looks worse than ever for SJU shooting from outside so hopefully Anderson stresses the pressure defense resulting in offensive opportunities and running whenever possible.
If they take less three pointers than they have been taking and install Anderson’s forty minutes of hell strategy for all forty minutes and if they get any help from the two recruits and any future transfers they could surprise.
They are never going to shoot threes like Nova or Creighton and next season looks worse than ever for SJU shooting from outside so hopefully Anderson stresses the pressure defense resulting in offensive opportunities and running whenever possible.
Not true on both.
Mathis could have a great game here and there but not consistent.
only true statement
Would only hope that they can become a defensive force. last year they were horrible, at the bottom of the BE statistically, conversely near top offensively. They could never put it together, hope player continuity helps in this area.
Employing the forty minutes of hell defense SJU is always going to be near the top of allowing points. Playing at that fast pace both SJU and their opponents are going to get high number of field goal attempts.
The question is can they win their share of 85 to 80 games ?
The question is can they win their share of 85 to 80 games ?
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Like it or not the 3 pointer is a major part of men’s college basketball and it is hard to name a successful coach that does not employ the 3 pointer as a cornerstone of his offense. Without the 3 pointer in its arsenal St. John’s has and will be at a substantial disadvantage.
I like CMA and believe he is a great representative for St. John’s reflecting its values. I hope he succeeds. That having been said I believe that the greater ability players now have hitting 3 pointers has made coaching styles that were successful 15+/- years ago less effective in 2022- 2023. This statement is not just true about CMA failure to incorporate the 3 as a central part of his offense but can also be seen in is less effective results Boeheim’s 2/3 zone has had in recent years now that players can extend and shoot over the 2/3 with greater frequency than occurred 10- 15 years ago.
The game has changed and the reduced results of CMA, and Boeheim over the past 10 years from their earlier results seem to support the above.
Finally the above quoted message talks about CMA installing his “40 minutes of hell”. I thought he had already attempted that. If not, what is he waiting for?
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In order for the pressure D to be effective, the team needs players with length and quickness. The team also needs to be hitting it's shots to set up the pressure D. We lost 2 of our top 3 scorers,
one of whom was one of the best players in the Big East, and both one whom provided size up front. So far we have not come close to replacing them. Talk to me in a few months after our roster is filled out and I'll let you know where I think we'll finish next season, because as of now we are not nearly as talented as we were last season. And we know where we finished last season.
one of whom was one of the best players in the Big East, and both one whom provided size up front. So far we have not come close to replacing them. Talk to me in a few months after our roster is filled out and I'll let you know where I think we'll finish next season, because as of now we are not nearly as talented as we were last season. And we know where we finished last season.
Reminder that me and you didn’t think Wheeler was at all that talented until a good ways into the season last year.
And if you polled college people heading into last season who was more talented, Champ or Curbelo, I think the results would have been pretty damn close.
I’m not suggesting in the least bit that losing those two guys doesn’t hurt, it creates a huge hole to replace, but we don’t need to build the same team as last year structure wise. We lost our two best wings. The backcourt is better. The 5 spot should be better. Can wusu, Mathis, Pinzon, Storr + whoever else we get replace some of the production we got from those guys as scorers on the wing? Are they better equipped to play defense FC and create more scoring opportunities? I worry more about replacing them on the boards than I do finding ways for us to score.
It seems fair to say in a guards game, we have potentially a solid group. It also is fair to posit we have a challenge re outside shooting deficit. Hopefully current guys improve and a portal acquisition helps lessen the void. I think what gets lost in the above issues is a marked need to rebound and defend better.
To be honest the roster is shaking out better than I thought with another solid portal addition or two an added plus. I would be cautious re how that translates to being a Dance participant or a better group than last season. To achieve that a lot has to happen re addressing the weaknesses noted, solid player development over summer, team chemistry and coaching improvement, proficiency. I’ll keep an open mind I guess.
To be honest the roster is shaking out better than I thought with another solid portal addition or two an added plus. I would be cautious re how that translates to being a Dance participant or a better group than last season. To achieve that a lot has to happen re addressing the weaknesses noted, solid player development over summer, team chemistry and coaching improvement, proficiency. I’ll keep an open mind I guess.
Boo Harvey
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Those two are our top shot blockers so, at best, that puts them toward the middle to bottom of the league among centers.
Soriano was third in the BE in block %, which adjusts for tempo. Fourth in conference-only games. We won't be an exceptional shot blocking team, but it also is not a gaping hole.