RedStormNC post=465462 said:
62% for my guy Wusu at the rim as a freshmen. I like the chances of that going up. That stretch in middle of big east was really really tough.
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62% for my guy Wusu at the rim as a freshmen. I like the chances of that going up. That stretch in middle of big east was really really tough.
stjohnnie75 post=465468 said:
True, but extremely impressive nonetheless.
Dan V
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Posh is the type of player that sets the tone and creates the identity of any team that he’s on. The defense, intangibles, hustle and leadership are what makes him a star. I liked Ponds a lot but he wasn’t a leader and the identity of the team wasn’t built off his skillset. Ponds was the closer and he was great at that and was an exciting player who could win a game late. But thats not the only way you can be a star and he was a terrible defender. Champ is not a closer and he is definitely a star player in college basketball. I know you guys hate this current team but to say he’s not a star is ridiculous. How many PGs in the Big East are better? Gillespie is not better than Posh just has a better team.
Dan V post=465473 said:
Just about as ridiculous as suggesting he’s better than Gillespie. Posh is great and we can’t expect better than him at the point guard spot. I’d take him every year. But he is absolutely not better than Gillespie.
Dan V post=465475 said:
Fair and wasn’t trying to be snarky. Posh got the better of him 1 time, he’s also 1-3 vs him with the last one amplifying the difference between the two. Besides a one on one matchup is a silly way to determine who the better basketball player is. Just my opinion.
How many college coaches would choose Posh over Gillespie to run their team next year? Far less than half would be my guess.
Dan V
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Record doesn’t mean much when Gillespie plays for an elite program while Posh is probably held back by his. This is why I referenced them going h2h, it’s not like Posh is not a team player who just iso’s, he is actually too unselfish. That can look bad at times at SJU but at an elite program would have him in the running for best PG in the country like that guy from Baylor who plays for the Kings now his name slipped my mind. As far as coaches it depends what they run teams like Kentucky, Baylor, West Virginia, Texas, Marquette, Texas Tech off top I think would value Posh more.Amaseinyourface post=465476 said:
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Gillespie is a great college basketball player who nearly always makes the right play and makes those around him better. I love Posh and who knows where he'll rank among all time Johnnie point guards when his college career is over but at this point couldn't say he is better than Gillespie. A little hard to compare because they are such different players. I do think it's fair to say that Posh's first two years were better than Gillespie's but Gillespie was playing behind a pretty great player when he started.
Dan V post=465477 said:
Posh is far from an ISO player. That’s not his skill set. He is absolutely a team guy like you said. The reason Gillespie is part of an elite team could be greatly credited to him steering the ship the last 3 years. Again my point wasn’t to disparage Posh, just that not all our guys are the best. This nova team around him is not exactly world beaters. And the guy from Baylor, Mitchell, shot over 40% from 3! If posh does that at any point in his career it’s a whole different conversation.
Just my opinion about Ponds being a poor defender . I would argue the contrary . When he chose to , or Mullin initiated it , Ponds could defend well . In head to head with Howard on Marquette , a great shooter , Ponds more often than not defended him well . And , Howard could not guard Ponds at all . Ponds could also steal the Ball when defending aggressively . Yeah , sure their were times he looked a bit lax but , how much more was he suppose to do on teams that lacked offensive talent . Ponds , like Posh , rebounded very well for his size . It’s true that Posh pressured Gillespie in a game last year at CA but , Wright fixed that by making Gillespie the shooting guard this year when playing against Posh . It worked ! Gillespie is , what he is , 2 Time BE Co - Player of the year or POY . He’s a much better shooter than Posh but , both are extremely valuable to their team . Gillespie is a 5 th year Senior , Posh a true Soph. That matters . I think we forget sometimes , how great a College Player Ponds was . He was on some very poor teams during his time here and often had to carry a heavy burden himself . And , Splendidly so . He is easily one of our best players of the last 20 years . We should realize that . Posh is a different type player and valuable in a different way .
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Just my opinion about Ponds being a poor defender . I would argue the contrary . When he chose to , or Mullin initiated it , Ponds could defend well . In head to head with Howard on Marquette , a great shooter , Ponds more often than not defended him well . And , Howard could not guard Ponds at all . Ponds could also steal the Ball when defending aggressively . Yeah , sure their were times he looked a bit lax but , how much more was he suppose to do on teams that lacked offensive talent . Ponds , like Posh , rebounded very well for his size . It’s true that Posh pressured Gillespie in a game last year at CA but , Wright fixed that by making Gillespie the shooting guard this year when playing against Posh . It worked ! Gillespie is , what he is , 2 Time BE Co - Player of the year or POY . He’s a much better shooter than Posh but , both are extremely valuable to their team . Gillespie is a 5 th year Senior , Posh a true Soph. That matters . I think we forget sometimes , how great a College Player Ponds was . He was on some very poor teams during his time here and often had to carry a heavy burden himself . And , Splendidly so . He is easily one of our best players of the last 20 years . We should realize that . Posh is a different type player and valuable in a different way .
SLY, Ponds did not defend Howard, that was the assignment of Justin Simon who was BE defensive player of the year and his defensive shutdown on Howard was instrumental in the two wins over Marquette.
Just my opinion about Ponds being a poor defender . I would argue the contrary . When he chose to , or Mullin initiated it , Ponds could defend well . In head to head with Howard on Marquette , a great shooter , Ponds more often than not defended him well . And , Howard could not guard Ponds at all . Ponds could also steal the Ball when defending aggressively . Yeah , sure their were times he looked a bit lax but , how much more was he suppose to do on teams that lacked offensive talent . Ponds , like Posh , rebounded very well for his size . It’s true that Posh pressured Gillespie in a game last year at CA but , Wright fixed that by making Gillespie the shooting guard this year when playing against Posh . It worked ! Gillespie is , what he is , 2 Time BE Co - Player of the year or POY . He’s a much better shooter than Posh but , both are extremely valuable to their team . Gillespie is a 5 th year Senior , Posh a true Soph. That matters . I think we forget sometimes , how great a College Player Ponds was . He was on some very poor teams during his time here and often had to carry a heavy burden himself . And , Splendidly so . He is easily one of our best players of the last 20 years . We should realize that . Posh is a different type player and valuable in a different way .
SLY, Ponds did not defend Howard, that was the assignment of Justin Simon who was BE defensive player of the year and his defensive shutdown on Howard was instrumental in the two wins over Marquette.
Where I stand on Posh has been expressed before. Agree with NC that comparing him with Gillespie is like comparing apples and oranges. They would make a great pair of guards with Posh at the point and Gillespie as the 2 guard.NCJohnnie post=465478 said:
Posh is a sophomore while Gillespie is 5th year player. Gillespie is one of the best FT shooters in college and has developed into an accurate 3 point shooter. Posh is a better with assists and steal and also gets significantly more offensive rebounds. Posh covers a lot more of the floor with our pressing defense which takes much effort and limits outside shooting which requires "legs". Prior to the start of the season, I thought Posh should be limited to under 30 minutes because of CMA's up tempo style so he has the energy at the end of the game (also said same for Julian).
You’re absolutely right. But, Sly’s point re: Ponds having performed well on the defensive side when motivated, is true. Just wasn't motivated nor pushed enough. Not looking to start another Mullin discussion, but suffice it to say that he didn’t do Ponds any favors.NCJohnnie post=465488 said:
NC Johnnie, if I recall , Ponds and Howard played against each other for 3 years . I share your view that Simon undoubtedly was a great defender and in all the Marquette - St John’s games he did guard Howard a number of times but , Ponds did guard Howard on several occasions as well . Maybe not every possession but , enough to steal the ball more than a few times as Andrew has posted . The point was more to mention that Ponds could defend well , if motivated and he was a very good ball stealer and rebounder . I get your admiration for Simon , which I
think is widely shared by the Board ., including me . Similar to your admiration for Simon , I have the same for Ponds . Who , as the years go by , will be remembered as the great player he was here . He should be . He did a lot for us on the Court .
think is widely shared by the Board ., including me . Similar to your admiration for Simon , I have the same for Ponds . Who , as the years go by , will be remembered as the great player he was here . He should be . He did a lot for us on the Court .
Updated Roster:
G: Posh
G: Curbelo
G: Wusu
G: Mathis
F/C: Soriano
Bench: Pinzon / Storr / Nywie / Stanley / Drissa / King
A proven bucket getter would be a very nice (needed) addition to improve our chances to be in the top half of the League