2022-23 Season

last year they were horrible, at the bottom of the BE statistically,

This is a bit of a myth as well. They were actually 104th of 356 in Defensive efficiency in D1. Not great but essentially tied with Xavier for 6th in the 11 team BE. Middle of the road to low mediocre. Above Butler, Gtown, Depaul and Marquette. Obviously they gave up more points per game than most in the BE but that's due to the length and number of possessions per game.
 
Regarding Soriano: not only blocks but he altered a ton of shots last season. Once he adjusted to the speed of the level, he stopped w the dumb fouls and became a significant force. Not sure why he’s being knocked when he gave us exactly what we’ve been begging for in a center after all the years we were dominated by conference bigs regardless of skill level

My biggest issue with Soriano was not with Soriano, it was with Anderson not keeping him on the floor enough.
 
Reminder that me and you didn’t think Wheeler was at all that talented until a good ways into the season last year.

And if you polled college people heading into last season who was more talented, Champ or Curbelo, I think the results would have been pretty damn close.

I’m not suggesting in the least bit that losing those two guys doesn’t hurt, it creates a huge hole to replace, but we don’t need to build the same team as last year structure wise. We lost our two best wings. The backcourt is better. The 5 spot should be better. Can wusu, Mathis, Pinzon, Storr + whoever else we get replace some of the production we got from those guys as scorers on the wing? Are they better equipped to play defense FC and create more scoring opportunities? I worry more about replacing them on the boards than I do finding ways for us to score.
As of this moment, we are going in to next season with Posh, some decent role players, and a number of question marks, including Curbelo. Yes the backcourt is deeper, but depth was not our main issue last season. We had plenty of depth, even if we didn't have a back up point guard. What we didn't have was enough overall talent. We still don't. And now we're without the best player we've had here in the last 20 years. Replacing his 20 PPG and leadership, ain't as simple as finding 2 other guys to give us 10 points each. It don't work that way. Yeah, maybe if Curbelo reverts back to his freshmen year, and maybe if Nwiye turns in to Mutombo, and maybe if Storr is ready to make an impact right off the bat, and maybe if Pinzon and Stanley are ready to contribute significant minutes, and maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Those are all question marks, big question marks. Short of us picking up 2 impact players, not 2 more role players, IMO we will not be dancing yet again next season.
 
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Depth at point guard was a big issue and cost us games.
But, I agree Champ will be missed.
Have to hope our guys improve , know the system better, and we can grab
a good shooter from the portal.
Lots of things cost us games. Lack of a decent back up point guard was just one of them. Oh and we had 2 back up point guards, Pinzon and Smith. Pinzon was used sparingly for some strange reason, before he got sick, and Smith was never up to the task. So once again, it wasn't our lack of depth, it was our lack of talent.
 
As of this moment, we are going in to next season with Posh, some decent role players, and a number of question marks, including Curbelo. Yes the backcourt is deeper, but depth was not our main issue last season. We had plenty of depth, even if we didn't have a back up point guard. What we didn't have was enough overall talent. We still don't. And now we're without the best player we've had here in the last 20 years. Replacing his 20 PPG and leadership, ain't as simple as finding 2 other guys to give us 10 points each. It don't work that way. Yeah, maybe if Curbelo reverts back to his freshmen year, and maybe if Nwiye turns in to Mutombo, and maybe if Storr is ready to make an impact right off the bat, and maybe if Pinzon and Stanley are ready to contribute significant minutes, and maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Those are all question marks, big question marks. Short of us picking up 2 impact players, not 2 more role players, IMO we will not be dancing yet again next season
I love that kid but can’t say he was the best. Talent wise Harkless is definitely in discussion. Career wise Ponds and Harrison both made the tournament. Could go either way and maybe you’re right.

Anyway, I’ll wait till the off season finishes because I, like you, hope we land some big time talent with the 2 spots. But unlike you, think that if the two guys are great fits but not necessarily huge talents we could still be in a really good spot. So we’ll wait for that and then I’ll make a bet with you about the upcoming season. I’m a guards guy, and when you say the backcourt got deeper I say it got a whole lot better. You could start Mathis next to Posh or you could start Curbelo next to him. Easy decision if you ask me.
 
As of this moment, we are going in to next season with Posh, some decent role players, and a number of question marks, including Curbelo. Yes the backcourt is deeper, but depth was not our main issue last season. We had plenty of depth, even if we didn't have a back up point guard. What we didn't have was enough overall talent. We still don't. And now we're without the best player we've had here in the last 20 years. Replacing his 20 PPG and leadership, ain't as simple as finding 2 other guys to give us 10 points each. It don't work that way. Yeah, maybe if Curbelo reverts back to his freshmen year, and maybe if Nwiye turns in to Mutombo, and maybe if Storr is ready to make an impact right off the bat, and maybe if Pinzon and Stanley are ready to contribute significant minutes, and maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Those are all question marks, big question marks. Short of us picking up 2 impact players, not 2 more role players, IMO we will not be dancing yet again next season.
Very fair rational take...

Maybe those ifs* happen though...
 
Yes I did. I stated at this point in time if there are no improvements we are looking at 9th to 11th. Then I stated if there are improvements that could change. So since we don’t know if there will be improvements or who will show up, it is too early to accurately predict any outcome. I don’t know why you are confused?
That literally can be said for almost any team in America. " Well we are a 9th to 11th team BUT if Storr is the goods or if we add some wings or if Posh Curbelo mesh well we can improve. Thats seriously like the worst prediction ever " Kudos for playing both sides of the fence
 
I love that kid but can’t say he was the best. Talent wise Harkless is definitely in discussion. Career wise Ponds and Harrison both made the tournament. Could go either way and maybe you’re right.

Anyway, I’ll wait till the off season finishes because I, like you, hope we land some big time talent with the 2 spots. But unlike you, think that if the two guys are great fits but not necessarily huge talents we could still be in a really good spot. So we’ll wait for that and then I’ll make a bet with you about the upcoming season. I’m a guards guy, and when you say the backcourt got deeper I say it got a whole lot better. You could start Mathis next to Posh or you could start Curbelo next to him. Easy decision if you ask me.
The 3 times in the last 11 years that CMA has taken teams to the dance, he did so with All-SEC level talents named Portis, Qualls, Kingsley, Macon, Gafford and Barford. In other words, if history tells us anything, it's that CMA teams will not be dancing without a very talented team. Yes he's shown he can get lower talented kids to overachieve, which is nice, but ultimately that means very little. The notion that he can take a group of role players and mold them in to a tourney team is a bit far fetched IMO.
 
The 3 times in the last 11 years that CMA has taken teams to the dance, he did so with All-SEC level talents named Portis, Qualls, Kingsley, Macon, Gafford and Barford. In other words, if history tells us anything, it's that CMA teams will not be dancing without a very talented team. Yes he's shown he can get lower talented kids to overachieve, which is nice, but ultimately that means very little. The notion that he can take a group of role players and mold them in to a tourney team is a bit far fetched IMO.
Fair, CMA has a lot to prove. More so now than ever. 4 different programs to the dance would be nice feather in the cap. 4 season at sju with nothing to show for it and his career might not end so gracefully.

Portis was All Everything. The others guys I think Posh is right there in that realm. I think Curbelo can be too. But that’s more talent than production.
 
As of this moment, we are going in to next season with Posh, some decent role players, and a number of question marks, including Curbelo. Yes the backcourt is deeper, but depth was not our main issue last season. We had plenty of depth, even if we didn't have a back up point guard. What we didn't have was enough overall talent. We still don't. And now we're without the best player we've had here in the last 20 years. Replacing his 20 PPG and leadership, ain't as simple as finding 2 other guys to give us 10 points each. It don't work that way. Yeah, maybe if Curbelo reverts back to his freshmen year, and maybe if Nwiye turns in to Mutombo, and maybe if Storr is ready to make an impact right off the bat, and maybe if Pinzon and Stanley are ready to contribute significant minutes, and maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Those are all question marks, big question marks. Short of us picking up 2 impact players, not 2 more role players, IMO we will not be dancing yet again next season.
Best player in 20 years? As a college player, I’ll take Hardy and Ponds over Champagnie. Senior year Dom Pointer is pretty close as well.
 
Best player in 20 years? As a college player, I’ll take Hardy and Ponds over Champagnie. Senior year Dom Pointer is pretty close as well.
Hardy and Sir Dom had one excellent season each. I'll give you Ponds. All 3 surrounded by better talent though. Champ had to carry us the last 2 seasons. 1st team All Big East 2 years in a row. How often has that happened in last 20+ years? Ponds? D'lo? To lazy to check. Anyhow, should have said "arguably best player in last 20 years". There's a case to be made for others.
 
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Fair, CMA has a lot to prove. More so now than ever. 4 different programs to the dance would be nice feather in the cap. 4 season at sju with nothing to show for it and his career might not end so gracefully.

Portis was All Everything. The others guys I think Posh is right there in that realm. I think Curbelo can be too. But that’s more talent than production.
The others were all 1st or 2nd team All-SEC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Posh yet been All Big East 1st or 2nd team. Don't get me wrong, I love Posh, but the way things stand right now he'll have to not only stay healthy, but be superman, to carry us to the dance next season.
 
The others were all 1st or 2nd team All-SEC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Posh yet been All Big East 1st or 2nd team. Don't get me wrong, I love Posh, but the way things stand right now he'll have to not only stay healthy, but be superman, to carry us to the dance next season.
He’s only halfway through his career. Freshmen of the year, defensive player of the year and honorable mention so far.

Just for reference, Those guys numbers as sophomores:
Quails - 11.6 pts 4.5 rebs
Kingsley - 3.6 pts 2.5 rebs
Macon - 16.8 pts 2.9 rebs 3.9 ast
Gafford - 16.9 pts 8.7 rebs 2 blk
Barford - 17.9 pts 3.9 rebs 2.5ast

Posh - 13.8 pts 4.4 rebs 5.5 ast 2.5 stls

Gafford the only one with a higher shooting %.
 
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He’s only halfway through his career. Freshmen of the year, defensive player of the year and honorable mention so far.

Just for reference, Those guys numbers as sophomores:
Quails - 11.6 pts 4.5 rebs
Kingsley - 3.6 pts 2.5 rebs
Macon - 16.8 pts 2.9 rebs 3.9 ast
Gafford - 16.9 pts 8.7 rebs 2 blk
Barford - 17.9 pts 3.9 rebs 2.5ast

Posh - 13.8 pts 4.4 rebs 5.5 ast 2.5 stls

Gafford the only one with a higher shooting %.
I'm not knocking Posh, he's phenomenal, but when you look at our best players over the past 20 years, the players who could carry our team, they were all scorers: Ponds, Champ, Hardy, Hatten, etc. Is Posh capable of becoming that guy next season? I'm not sure, but we'll need that if we are going to have any kind of success.
 
I'm not knocking Posh, he's phenomenal, but when you look at our best players over the past 20 years, the players who could carry our team, they were all scorers: Ponds, Champ, Hardy, Hatten, etc. Is Posh capable of becoming that guy next season? I'm not sure, but we'll need that if we are going to have any kind of success.
And it wasn’t until any of them were upperclassmen :)
 
It will be easier to have this discussion once our roster is competed but even then it’s a crapshoot. Lets see what happens in the next few weeks.
 
I'm not knocking Posh, he's phenomenal, but when you look at our best players over the past 20 years, the players who could carry our team, they were all scorers: Ponds, Champ, Hardy, Hatten, etc. Is Posh capable of becoming that guy next season? I'm not sure, but we'll need that if we are going to have any kind of success.
Maybe having 1 guy 'carry our team' isn't the formula for success. All players you mentioned carried the team to a round of 64 exit.

Maybe having more facilitator's help everyone play to their potential
 
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