Agreed. For this season to be a success, it seems we're going to need several double digit scorers. I don't think any of them will be anywhere near 20 ppg. Going to have to be several 8-15 ppg guys chipping in.
2022-23 Season
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RedmanMike
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Hatten and Ponds has multiple seasons where they carried the load offensively - although Ponds had much better talent around him than Hatten did. They were both combo guards - scorers primarily who also played point guard. Posh is a more prototypical PG. He's terrific, but his body of work thus far isn't close to either Hatten or Ponds.
What did that guy Hatten ever accomplish before his Junior year
Some context: Qualls had little skill before MA found him. Virtually had no big offers.
Kingsley played with and behind Portis his first 2 years.
Macon, Barford both came from Juco so they had no soph year.
Gafford IMO is by far the most talented player. Freak of nature.
Good catch, I mistook macon and Barfords 2nd year with their sophomore year.
I like JC a lot but agree. If I'm starting a team I take Hatten (yes that was just 19 seasons ago),DJ or DLo as my top player to build a team around from the past 20 years. My neighbor Mo after them as a pure basketball player. Then Shamori or pre injury Showtime to provide the instant offense. Then I'd probably put JC in there, just above guys like Dwight H, AG, Jakarr, SirDom and Justin Simon, Posh likely to get into this group by the end as well. And of course Geno.
RedmanMike
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Good mention by austour. Showtime Hill was really good the season before his injury, and would have gone down as one of Jarvis' top recruits if he hadn't hurt his knee. Too bad the team was horrific. He led the Big East in scoring (I believe) in 04-05.
I did say "could carry our team", meaning we could count on those guys to come up big when the rest of the team was struggling, and in crunch time. Every good team needs at least one "go-to" guy, . Not sure Posh is that guy, by his make-up and by his skill sets. I hope he is, but we'll need someone to be if he ain't. Not saying we have to be a one man team, but we need one or more go-to guys. I honestly do not see one other guy on the roster right now who has the potential next season to be a go-to guy. Maybe someone comes out of the woodwork. We'll see.
My stat reference site says he was 3rd behind Ryan Gomes and Hakim Warrick. at 20.7. Unsure if that was overall or just in conference.
Assuming Posh, Curbelo and Jones each get around 30 minutes a game, Soriano/Nywie splitting another 35-40 minutes, and Wusu/Mathis/Pinzon splitting another 40-45 minutes, leaving only 30 minutes to be split amongst Stanley, Storr, King and Traore. Under these circumstances, I think a freshman big like Awaka might be the best fit for the last scholarship spot.
MakingPlays
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Now that roster is nearly complete, how does everyone see the stats next year?
This is what I'm thinking...
Jones - 15 pts / 7 rebs / 1.5 stls
Posh - 14 pts / 3 rebs / 4 ast / 2.5 stls
Curberlo - 10 pts / 3 rebs / 5 ast / 1.5 stls
Wusu - 10 pts / 4 rebs / 3 ast / 1 stl
Soriano - 8 pts / 8 rebs
Mathis - 7 pts / 3 rebs / 1 stl
Pinzon - 6 pts / 3 ast
Storr - 5 pts / 2 rebs
Nyiwe - 4 pts / 4 rebs
Stanley - 3 pts / 2 rebs
King and Traore are the odd men left out of rotation.
This is what I'm thinking...
Jones - 15 pts / 7 rebs / 1.5 stls
Posh - 14 pts / 3 rebs / 4 ast / 2.5 stls
Curberlo - 10 pts / 3 rebs / 5 ast / 1.5 stls
Wusu - 10 pts / 4 rebs / 3 ast / 1 stl
Soriano - 8 pts / 8 rebs
Mathis - 7 pts / 3 rebs / 1 stl
Pinzon - 6 pts / 3 ast
Storr - 5 pts / 2 rebs
Nyiwe - 4 pts / 4 rebs
Stanley - 3 pts / 2 rebs
King and Traore are the odd men left out of rotation.
All fair but would hope Posh improves and not levels out stat wise vs. last season.
Think we need one of the top 3 listed to score a bit more.
Had higher hopes for Traore when signed. If he's certain to ride bench, get occasional scrap minutes and/or get recruited over then I'd be surprised he would stay after a redshirt season.
Think we need one of the top 3 listed to score a bit more.
Had higher hopes for Traore when signed. If he's certain to ride bench, get occasional scrap minutes and/or get recruited over then I'd be surprised he would stay after a redshirt season.
Scoring estimates for Soriano, Pinzon, Stanley and Storr will be higher. Those for Wusu and Mathis will be lower.
MakingPlays
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It's not that actual stats that matter, but how effective you were and how successful and important you were to your team. There's only 1 ball on the court and only so many minutes. The numbers I put would have the team averaging 82 PPG, which is really high, I don't even think they get there, they only averaged 79 PPG last year.
And a player's overall numbers can be similar or even lower than the previous year and they can still be considered to be a much better player than the year before. Averaging 14 PPG, 4 APG, and 2.5 STL on a tournament team and a team that competes for a conference title is not the same as averaging it on team at the bottom of the conference that doesn't make any post season play.
For example Curberlo and Posh had almost identical stats their freshman year (Posh 10 PPG, 4 APG) (Curberlo 9 PPG 4 APG), yet Curberlo was picked as a pre-season all american and considered the better player going into the year because his team was more successful.
Always fun
Jones 16, 6 reb
Posh 15, 3.5 asts
Soriano 11 pts, 7 rebs
Curbelo 9 pts, 5 assists
Wusu 9 pts, 5 rebs
Storr 8, pts
Pinzon 6 pts
Stanley 6 pts
That’s my guess for top 8 once we settle in. Mathis’s best skills might not be relied upon as much this year. I’d like to see Soriano really demand the center spot and get close to 25 minutes a night.
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Yeah, really hoping Mathis is relegated to situational duty for defensive purposes. He may not like it, but he really was a rhythm breaker offensively last year with very questionable shot selection.
If Soriano can produce at that level, we will have a very good year
I think he’ll improve on his own, he’ll get better looks, and we’ll be forced to use him a little more too. He averaged 7.5 and 7 in BE play per 25 minutes last year.
MakingPlays
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Aw, you going to sleep on my guy Mathis as well? I'm probably the only person on the board that still sees the value in Mathis. I don't think this roster is quite good enough to where Mathis isn't in the top 8. 2 of those Rutgers teams had a better roster on paper than this team and he found a way to play 20+ minutes and get 7-8 PPG. I think he'll do the same this year, I don't see Pinzon and Storr surpassing a 5th year senior, at least not at the beginning of the season.
I wouldn’t agrue with you saying Mathis as a 5th year guy is better in a lot of areas than those 2. But I think our need and where minutes can be found - shooting on the wing, is gonna lead to more minutes for Wusu, Pinzon and Storr. The minutes at the 1-3 have to be squeezed somewhere. But Mathis played better than I thought he would last year so theres that.