2019 NY Mets

[quote="sjc88" post=359898]Don’t know if anyone saw it, FOX had a Tom Seaver documentary after the football game this afternoon. It was a weird time for it to be on. Anyone who hasn’t seen it, if you are interested the title is, as you would expect “Seaver”. It was narrated by Edward Burns the Actor. A Baseball fan and a Mets fan will probably enjoy it. Very well done. I don’t know if it’s been on before or if they plan to air again.[/quote]
Numerous re-airings on FS1 including 1am tonight (be careful as Yankee game and post game may delay it so set your DVR for way past the one hour it is scheduled for). Other air times are Sun Oct 20 at 2pm, Mon Oct 21 11pm, Tues Oct 22 3am, Thur Oct 24 2:30am, 8pm, Fri Oct 25 6pm, and Sat Oct 26 6am.
 
Don't understand the "interest" in Carlos Beltran for manager as reported on SNY last night--was he a client of the GM. We don't need another first time manager learning on the job.
 
[quote="BrooklynRed" post=359941]Don't understand the "interest" in Carlos Beltran for manager as reported on SNY last night--was he a client of the GM. We don't need another first time manager learning on the job.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree with you more. I just saw the Mets will now interview Eduardo Perez. I don’t see any harm in talking to these guys. However, this job screams experienced, big league Manager. This team has a chance to make the playoffs next year and they shouldn’t gamble on finding out if he can manage a bullpen etc. Especially when there are still proven big league guys that want the job. We’ll see they haven’t hired anyone yet. Although, BVW scares me as he has some “smartest guy in the room qualities” and he might overthink this.
 
I was fooled again. Girardi seemed too obvious. I now expect Beltran if he is willing to take a short term contract. In the Mets mind this makes for intrigue and intrigue can sell some tickets. We will see soon enough.
 
I think, as Mets fans, we need to keep some perspective. Yes, the guy who was arguably the best available managerial candidate is now unavailable. And yes, he is now within the division. This does not mean all is lost, there are still other exceptional candidates to choose from. Yeah, I’m not buying this either. Once again, the Mets have disappointed us all, yet there is really no shock value to the circumstances we find ourselves in. Good news though, I heard there’s a rumor around the campfire (totally unsubstantiated and yet not unbelievable or surprising) that the Mets have a super-secret dark horse candidate for the position - A-Rod. The only thing about that statement that I doubt is that it was around the campfire. If anything, it was around the dumpster fire. Since we just fired a guy with no managerial experience, why wouldn’t we hire a guy with no managerial experience? Why stop at A-Rod? Why not Jose Canseco? In that vein, why not Rex Ryan? He’s available, and has experience being the on field leader of an inept franchise that originated in Queens. Fortunately, things are copacetic in Kansas (lol), otherwise we might not only get to experience those delightful “lost 8 out of the last 10” gauntlets of pain, but get to top those losses off in the post game interviews with “give them credit”.

When it comes to the Metropolitans and my associated emotional attachments, there is really only one all inclusive and encompassing question:

Why?
 
Pretty sure they will F us and hire Adam Gase and have Shurmer as his bench coach
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=360663]Pretty sure they will F us and hire Adam Gase and have Shurmer as his bench coach[/quote]
I had not considered this possibility. Thanks for that.
 
Jets:

-Draft nothing but defense in 1st round of every draft for something like 9/10 years if not more, then we wonder why we can never score TD's or why our QB's blow.
-AWFUL scouting
-Hire awful coach Adam Gase who appears to be a nutcase in press conference, has a track record of players disliking him, and uses smelling salts.

Mets:

-Sign too many players who were good 10 years ago to big time deals (see Cano, Vaughn, Burnitz, Bay, etc) and often fail.
-Rarely have a farm system producing legit talent ready for the big leagues.
-Completely docile in the free agency market and Wilpons treat the Mets as a fun experiment/pet and not a team they want to compete every year for WS rings.
-Make incredibly stupid decisions (hiring guys with zero experience, signing Bonilla to a deal he still gets paid for, refusing to spend like the biggest market team, etc.)

These teams are run by incompetent morons and I would seriously bet my life that fans collectively would do a much better job if we were calling the shots. I'd sure as hell be spending big bucks on FA's for the Mets and I'd sure as hell get some serious weapons on offense (and the line) for Darnold. These organizations are the exact model for what NOT to do.
 
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[quote="Andrew" post=360660]I was fooled again. Girardi seemed too obvious. I now expect Beltran if he is willing to take a short term contract. In the Mets mind this makes for intrigue and intrigue can sell some tickets. We will see soon enough.[/quote]
Mets are googling Wes Westrum to see if he is still alive hoping to rehire him.
 
Typical Mets. The clear and obvious choice sitting right there on the table. So what do the Mets do? Why they gamble that they know more than everyone else (yeah right) and they will be able to effectively identify the next Gil Hodges.

I mean what could possibly go wrong?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=360667]
Mets:
-Rarely have a farm system producing legit talent ready for the big leagues.
[/quote]

The sad thing is the Mets have actually gone against their history and have a really good group of young, homegrown positional players that need leadership to show them how to win.
Alonso
McNeill
Conforto
Rosario
Nimmo
 
[quote="MainMan" post=360697][quote="Mike Zaun" post=360667]
Mets:
-Rarely have a farm system producing legit talent ready for the big leagues.
[/quote]

The sad thing is the Mets have actually gone against their history and have a really good group of young, homegrown positional players that need leadership to show them how to win.
Alonso
McNeill
Conforto
Rosario
Nimmo[/quote] If we could just stay healthy.. hard to depend on McNeill/Nimmo for a full season. In the end, I think BVM just announces every sucks and he's the best person to manage the team.
 
Why wouldn't BVW hire the best guy out there? Because he wouldn't tolerate calls to the dugout during games.

Hard to believe the Mets wouldn't spend for a manager what sju spent on a coach.
 
Based on the Mets roster and market they are the best job out there. No bias, they just are. But the front office once again is incompetent and treats it like a little league job.

So tired of this organization
 
May be the worst job based on ownership's primary goal to be competitive enough to make money but not necessarily make winning it all #1.

You always feel that they've spent their last major dime when they make an investment.
 
I don’t think it’s the “worst” job in baseball. We can talk Marlins, Pirates, White Sox....etc. The Mets are the WEIRDEST job in baseball. Ownership is one of the worst. However, they do spend just enough that a crafty GM and Manager Could win. It is a fact that the Mets were National League Champs in 2015. Plenty of teams haven’t had a sniff in double that time or ever.

But that is exactly the problem, the Mets are happy enough going to the playoffs periodically and winning just enough to stay interesting. Never looking to go the extra mile or reach for the brass ring. Always an excuse, always just not enough.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=360737]I don’t think it’s the “worst” job in baseball. We can talk Marlins, Pirates, White Sox....etc. The Mets are the WEIRDEST job in baseball. Ownership is one of the worst. However, they do spend just enough that a crafty GM and Manager Could win. It is a fact that the Mets were National League Champs in 2015. Plenty of teams haven’t had a sniff in double that time or ever.

But that is exactly the problem, the Mets are happy enough going to the playoffs periodically and winning just enough to stay interesting. Never looking to go the extra mile or reach for the brass ring. Always an excuse, always just not enough.[/quote]
I mostly agree except for the bolder area above. Last 10 years we were above .500 just 3 times. Not very interesting IMHO.

On the plus side, this is the first decade where we made the WS and the Yankees did not, for whatever that’s worth.
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=360740][quote="sjc88" post=360737]I don’t think it’s the “worst” job in baseball. We can talk Marlins, Pirates, White Sox....etc. The Mets are the WEIRDEST job in baseball. Ownership is one of the worst. However, they do spend just enough that a crafty GM and Manager Could win. It is a fact that the Mets were National League Champs in 2015. Plenty of teams haven’t had a sniff in double that time or ever.

But that is exactly the problem, the Mets are happy enough going to the playoffs periodically and winning just enough to stay interesting. Never looking to go the extra mile or reach for the brass ring. Always an excuse, always just not enough.[/quote]
I mostly agree except for the bolder area above. Last 10 years we were above .500 just 3 times. Not very interesting IMHO.

On the plus side, this is the first decade where we made the WS and the Yankees did not, for whatever that’s worth.[/quote]

Agreed that winning just enough to stay interesting isn’t good enough from our standpoint. However, I really think they are satisfied after 2015 and 2016 with saying “hey we almost got there”. Our reaction to 2015/16 is “we need to find the final piece” to get over the top, to you know actually win. Mets ownership reaction is “we have a competitive team, what more do they want”.

Think about this year. We see 86 wins as “not enough”. Ownership is thinking hey don’t expect many changes. You see us attached to any big FAs? No way. Now is the time to make a move. So what will happen? My guess....very little.
 
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