2019 NY Mets

[quote="Jack Williams" post=358519]Surprised by the doom and gloom around here honestly. Young core showed us a lot these last few months. This team was actually fun to watch. We gotta get the manager out of here and have to do something about the bullpen.

But I am excited for what is to come. Like the young guys on this team.

I cannot help but be proud of the way this team battled after the all star break with a brain dead manager holding them back and a pricey closer not able to throw the ball straight. After witnessing the absolute disaster the Jets season has already become I look back on this Mets season fondly.[/quote]

What doom and gloom? Mets were good enough to make the playoffs and didn't, which is disappointing. That's what I think you misinterpret as doom and gloom. Pitching was supposed to be their strength and they were done in by an inept bullpen and very overrated starting pitching. Lugo and deGrom, and to a slightly lesser extent Wilson, were the only pitchers you could depend on. Throw in Calloway and the end result was very disappointing, albeit the post-All Star journey not so much but only when compared to life as a long time Met fan.
 
Rumor is Syndergaard wants Todd Hundley as his catcher next year. Fortunately he won't be around with the Mets. But he certainly is hurting his trade value.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=358613]Rumor is Syndergaard wants Todd Hundley as his catcher next year. Fortunately he won't be around with the Mets. But he certainly is hurting his trade value.[/quote]

Don't worry Jack. They will trade him for Jim Fregosi.
 
[quote="Logen" post=358608][quote="Jack Williams" post=358519]Surprised by the doom and gloom around here honestly. Young core showed us a lot these last few months. This team was actually fun to watch. We gotta get the manager out of here and have to do something about the bullpen.

But I am excited for what is to come. Like the young guys on this team.

I cannot help but be proud of the way this team battled after the all star break with a brain dead manager holding them back and a pricey closer not able to throw the ball straight. After witnessing the absolute disaster the Jets season has already become I look back on this Mets season fondly.[/quote]

What doom and gloom? Mets were good enough to make the playoffs and didn't, which is disappointing. That's what I think you misinterpret as doom and gloom. Pitching was supposed to be their strength and they were done in by an inept bullpen and very overrated starting pitching. Lugo and deGrom, and to a slightly lesser extent Wilson, were the only pitchers you could depend on. Throw in Calloway and the end result was very disappointing, albeit the post-All Star journey not so much but only when compared to life as a long time Met fan.[/quote]

ehh, i guess for me to be disappointed, i had to have high expectations coming in. I didn't. Pitching rotation aside, this team was NOT good enough to make the playoffs from what i saw on our roster back in April. I understand some were saying we could, and Brodie said we were "all in" but I saw right through that BS.

Bottom line is, this lineup looked borderline terrible coming into this season. We did not know what Pete Alonso was gonna give us. There were worries McNeil couldn't repeat past success with more of a book on him. Cano is old and he stinks. Frazier? Rosie? JD Davis? These names were not expected to bring much firepower to the offense.

I understand it hurts when a lot of these guys exceeded expectations but we still did not make the playoffs. But coming into this season i did not think we had a shot at the playoffs. Good example of how expectations can ruin the way you consume a teams season. For example I was so sure Sam Darnold was going to have a breakout season and the Jets would fight for a wild card. So right now, it hurts. But for the Mets, I saw three teams in the NL East with vastly superior lineups back in April. So i am kind of happy with the way our team battled and some of our guys broke out.

Understand where you are coming from though
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=358629][quote="Logen" post=358608][quote="Jack Williams" post=358519]Surprised by the doom and gloom around here honestly. Young core showed us a lot these last few months. This team was actually fun to watch. We gotta get the manager out of here and have to do something about the bullpen.

But I am excited for what is to come. Like the young guys on this team.

I cannot help but be proud of the way this team battled after the all star break with a brain dead manager holding them back and a pricey closer not able to throw the ball straight. After witnessing the absolute disaster the Jets season has already become I look back on this Mets season fondly.[/quote]

What doom and gloom? Mets were good enough to make the playoffs and didn't, which is disappointing. That's what I think you misinterpret as doom and gloom. Pitching was supposed to be their strength and they were done in by an inept bullpen and very overrated starting pitching. Lugo and deGrom, and to a slightly lesser extent Wilson, were the only pitchers you could depend on. Throw in Calloway and the end result was very disappointing, albeit the post-All Star journey not so much but only when compared to life as a long time Met fan.[/quote]

ehh, i guess for me to be disappointed, i had to have high expectations coming in. I didn't. Pitching rotation aside, this team was NOT good enough to make the playoffs from what i saw on our roster back in April. I understand some were saying we could, and Brodie said we were "all in" but I saw right through that BS.

Bottom line is, this lineup looked borderline terrible coming into this season. We did not know what Pete Alonso was gonna give us. There were worries McNeil couldn't repeat past success with more of a book on him. Cano is old and he stinks. Frazier? Rosie? JD Davis? These names were not expected to bring much firepower to the offense.

I understand it hurts when a lot of these guys exceeded expectations but we still did not make the playoffs. But coming into this season i did not think we had a shot at the playoffs. Good example of how expectations can ruin the way you consume a teams season. For example I was so sure Sam Darnold was going to have a breakout season and the Jets would fight for a wild card. So right now, it hurts. But for the Mets, I saw three teams in the NL East with vastly superior lineups back in April. So i am kind of happy with the way our team battled and some of our guys broke out.

Understand where you are coming from though[/quote]

I try to judge each season on its own merits and not have any expectations until I see what is on the field, or court, or whatever. To say I achieve that 100% would, of course, be utter BS. But after seeing how much the Mets improved offensively I kept expecting the pitching to kick in and become consistent and them to really take off. Didn’t happen until they had dug too deep a hole and even after the hot streak following the break, the pitching by and large let them down too often to make it anything more than interesting until the 0-6 end to the long home stand which kind of sealed their fate. Still interesting was an improvement, no doubt about that. And wait ‘til next year now means something for sure.
 
[quote="Logen" post=358634][quote="Jack Williams" post=358629][quote="Logen" post=358608][quote="Jack Williams" post=358519]Surprised by the doom and gloom around here honestly. Young core showed us a lot these last few months. This team was actually fun to watch. We gotta get the manager out of here and have to do something about the bullpen.

But I am excited for what is to come. Like the young guys on this team.

I cannot help but be proud of the way this team battled after the all star break with a brain dead manager holding them back and a pricey closer not able to throw the ball straight. After witnessing the absolute disaster the Jets season has already become I look back on this Mets season fondly.[/quote]

What doom and gloom? Mets were good enough to make the playoffs and didn't, which is disappointing. That's what I think you misinterpret as doom and gloom. Pitching was supposed to be their strength and they were done in by an inept bullpen and very overrated starting pitching. Lugo and deGrom, and to a slightly lesser extent Wilson, were the only pitchers you could depend on. Throw in Calloway and the end result was very disappointing, albeit the post-All Star journey not so much but only when compared to life as a long time Met fan.[/quote]

ehh, i guess for me to be disappointed, i had to have high expectations coming in. I didn't. Pitching rotation aside, this team was NOT good enough to make the playoffs from what i saw on our roster back in April. I understand some were saying we could, and Brodie said we were "all in" but I saw right through that BS.

Bottom line is, this lineup looked borderline terrible coming into this season. We did not know what Pete Alonso was gonna give us. There were worries McNeil couldn't repeat past success with more of a book on him. Cano is old and he stinks. Frazier? Rosie? JD Davis? These names were not expected to bring much firepower to the offense.

I understand it hurts when a lot of these guys exceeded expectations but we still did not make the playoffs. But coming into this season i did not think we had a shot at the playoffs. Good example of how expectations can ruin the way you consume a teams season. For example I was so sure Sam Darnold was going to have a breakout season and the Jets would fight for a wild card. So right now, it hurts. But for the Mets, I saw three teams in the NL East with vastly superior lineups back in April. So i am kind of happy with the way our team battled and some of our guys broke out.

Understand where you are coming from though[/quote]

I try to judge each season on its own merits and not have any expectations until I see what is on the field, or court, or whatever. To say I achieve that 100% would, of course, be utter BS. But after seeing how much the Mets improved offensively I kept expecting the pitching to kick in and become consistent and them to really take off. Didn’t happen until they had dug too deep a hole and even after the hot streak following the break, the pitching by and large let them down too often to make it anything more than interesting until the 0-6 end to the long home stand which kind of sealed their fate. Still interesting was an improvement, no doubt about that. And wait ‘til next year now means something for sure.[/quote]

Definitely agree about that 0-6 stretch at home that cost them the season. Despite me not expecting playoffs, that was absolutely brutal. Oh well, life of a mets fan
 
I feel positive about some of the young players moving forward. All is not lost. I also don’t see anything wrong with also being disappointed that this team didn’t make the playoffs. This we “battled” mentality is Mickey Callaway tripe. I’ll save that for a high school wrestling team coach. Nothing wrong with raising the expectations around here. My goodness Mets haven’t won a World Series in 33 years and counting. About time we start aiming a little higher. In fact, it was the goal of the new GM to win. They didn’t. The Cano/Diaz move was a win now move that blew up in his face. The Owner or at least his son, publicly stated he expected to win. They didn’t.
The elephant as always for the Mets is does the GM have the creativity, smarts and money available at his disposal to get us over the top and does the Owner have the stomach to fund it. Otherwise, it’s just more of the same. “We battled”, “Tough breaks”, “Too Many injuries” “bullpen let us down” yada yada yada.
 
Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]

MJ, the Nats had a worse bullpen yet they are going to the playoffs. Mets won like 13 of 19 vs Nats but of course I digress. Callaway not only annoys me but he makes too many moves that just don’t make sense. I too lean toward Girardi. However, your question of not him then who? I think another strong candidate would be Robin Ventura. He failed in his first go around but that was the White Sox. I have heard he might want back in. I would also explore Moises Alou who I have heard rumored in San Diego. Both have connections to Mets.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=358614][quote="JackofVirginia" post=358613]Rumor is Syndergaard wants Todd Hundley as his catcher next year. Fortunately he won't be around with the Mets. But he certainly is hurting his trade value.[/quote]

Don't worry Jack. They will trade him for Jim Fregosi.[/quote]
This is one of the insane posts I have ever read. His stats are fair at best. Plus he’d be 77 on opening day. At least he would be if he hadn’t died 5 years ago. Now that I think about it, this trade is plausible in Met world. In fact, I’m not convinced they would do this well...
 
Summer just ended. And McNeil done for the year with a fractured wrist.

5 months to spring training. Jets are done already. Any thoughts on who to root for until then?
 
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[quote="sjc88" post=358653][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]

MJ, the Nats had a worse bullpen yet they are going to the playoffs. Mets won like 13 of 19 vs Nats but of course I digress. Callaway not only annoys me but he makes too many moves that just don’t make sense. I too lean toward Girardi. However, your question of not him then who? I think another strong candidate would be Robin Ventura. He failed in his first go around but that was the White Sox. I have heard he might want back in. I would also explore Moises Alou who I have heard rumored in San Diego. Both have connections to Mets.[/quote] I dont follow the other teams stat wise as close as the mets. The Nat had more blown saves ?
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]
NY Post says Calloway will be the sacrificial lamb for the season. Girardi is the obvious choice, so no way that happens. Brodie will want a puppet anyway. Some claim Astros bench coach Joe Espada would be high on the list. Crazy as it sounds, I think Bobby V would do well with this group (just sayin’)
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358657][quote="sjc88" post=358653][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]

MJ, the Nats had a worse bullpen yet they are going to the playoffs. Mets won like 13 of 19 vs Nats but of course I digress. Callaway not only annoys me but he makes too many moves that just don’t make sense. I too lean toward Girardi. However, your question of not him then who? I think another strong candidate would be Robin Ventura. He failed in his first go around but that was the White Sox. I have heard he might want back in. I would also explore Moises Alou who I have heard rumored in San Diego. Both have connections to Mets.[/quote] I dont follow the other teams stat wise as close as the mets. The Nat had more blown saves ?[/quote]

I don’t have the blown saves number. For a good portion of the season their bullpen ERA was worse than Mets. They acquired several guys along the way but they really struggled. Just as I am looking at this Mets are officially eliminated and Jeff McNeill has some sort of broken hand after HBP. Most Mets way to end the season ever.
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=358658][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]
NY Post says Calloway will be the sacrificial lamb for the season. Girardi is the obvious choice, so no way that happens. Brodie will want a puppet anyway. Some claim Astros bench coach Joe Espada would be high on the list. Crazy as it sounds, I think Bobby V would do well with this group (just sayin’)[/quote]In hindsight Bobby V was excellent mgr. Freaking made playoffs with Benny Agbayani :)
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358660][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=358658][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]
NY Post says Calloway will be the sacrificial lamb for the season. Girardi is the obvious choice, so no way that happens. Brodie will want a puppet anyway. Some claim Astros bench coach Joe Espada would be high on the list. Crazy as it sounds, I think Bobby V would do well with this group (just sayin’)[/quote]In hindsight Bobby V was excellent mgr. Freaking made playoffs with Benny Agbayani :)[/quote]
Always was a Bobby V fan. I knew the antics meant a limited shelf life, but I knew going into every game that he would never be outmanaged.
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=358662][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358660][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=358658][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]
NY Post says Calloway will be the sacrificial lamb for the season. Girardi is the obvious choice, so no way that happens. Brodie will want a puppet anyway. Some claim Astros bench coach Joe Espada would be high on the list. Crazy as it sounds, I think Bobby V would do well with this group (just sayin’)[/quote]In hindsight Bobby V was excellent mgr. Freaking made playoffs with Benny Agbayani :)[/quote]
Always was a Bobby V fan. I knew the antics meant a limited shelf life, but I knew going into every game that he would never be outmanaged.[/quote] I loved the fake mustache !!! :) Plus his interviews on mike and the mad dog we classic and the funny thing is as much as they clashed they ended up loving him
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?



If the Pirates fire Clint Hurdle he could be a possibility. More then likely Giradi will take the Cub job. I don't know about Showalter returning to managing. They say that Barajas in the Padre organization has been very successful in his minor league managing. The young prospects really like him.

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]
 
Went to game last night. Great game.

Lots of talent on this team.

With a great bullpen, they'd be printing playoff tix. With a good bullpen, they'd be printing playoff tix. With a fair bullpen, they'd be printing playoff tix.
 
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