2019 NY Mets
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[quote="Logen" post=357848]And yet another blown save; to say this bullpen is the pits is a gross understatement.[/quote]
Just another dagger loss late. Still mathematically in it but you almost have to win out and hope the Cubs and Brewers both go cold. Very slim now
Just another dagger loss late. Still mathematically in it but you almost have to win out and hope the Cubs and Brewers both go cold. Very slim now
[quote="Logen" post=357848]And yet another blown save; to say this bullpen is the pits is a gross understatement.[/quote]
Clearly the bullpen has been has been a disaster this year but last night I put a lot of the blame on the hitting. The Dodgers were the better team last night.
Clearly the bullpen has been has been a disaster this year but last night I put a lot of the blame on the hitting. The Dodgers were the better team last night.
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[quote="Andrew" post=357852][quote="Logen" post=357848]And yet another blown save; to say this bullpen is the pits is a gross understatement.[/quote]
Clearly the bullpen has been has been a disaster this year but last night I put a lot of the blame on the hitting. The Dodgers were the better team last night.[/quote]
Of course the Dodgers are better team and I acknowledged the lack of hitting in my post. But when you go into the 8th with a lead, the game is on the bullpen and they failed.......again.
Clearly the bullpen has been has been a disaster this year but last night I put a lot of the blame on the hitting. The Dodgers were the better team last night.[/quote]
Of course the Dodgers are better team and I acknowledged the lack of hitting in my post. But when you go into the 8th with a lead, the game is on the bullpen and they failed.......again.
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JackofVirginia
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Didn't think Wilson or Lugo had their good stuff last night, both struggling. Also would have preferred a curve ball to Gyorka, especially after three straight fast balls. Oh well, too late now. Our lack of hitting didn't help. Rosario had chances with runners in scoring position. His strikeout earlier in the game hurt since we had a runner on third with one out.
So the Mets made it interesting after the All-Star break but in the end were exposed and let down, primarily IMO by the pitching. The bullpen has been vey well documented but the dream of a few years ago of a five “no. 1” rotation has become deGrom, Harvey gone, and 3 guys you pretty much have no idea what you are going to get game to game. ERA’s of 4.00 give or take for 6 inning pitchers with a weak bullpen is not a formula for a legitimate contender. The trades for pitching help didn’t help to say the least. Not sure if the Mets can build on the climb to respectability this year but the second half does give some legitimate hope for next year.
Spocky Ramone
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[quote="Logen" post=357907]So the Mets made it interesting after the All-Star break but in the end were exposed and let down, primarily IMO by the pitching. The bullpen has been vey well documented but the dream of a few years ago of a five “no. 1” rotation has become deGrom, Harvey gone, and 3 guys you pretty much have no idea what you are going to get game to game. ERA’s of 4.00 give or take for 6 inning pitchers with a weak bullpen is not a formula for a legitimate contender. The trades for pitching help didn’t help to say the least. Not sure if the Mets can build on the climb to respectability this year but the second half does give some legitimate hope for next year.[/quote]
Spot on re: the pitching. I think we have achieved respectability in that we were playing meaningful baseball in September. Definitely hope for the future, the lineup appears to be much improved. If the bullpen is 50% less bad next year we will be in good shape.
Spot on re: the pitching. I think we have achieved respectability in that we were playing meaningful baseball in September. Definitely hope for the future, the lineup appears to be much improved. If the bullpen is 50% less bad next year we will be in good shape.
beast of the east
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Re: The starting pitching. Clayton Kershaw has a record of 164-1 or something like that when the Dodgers get him 4 runs or more. Our best pitchers don't make whatever run support they are given stand up nearly as well.
Bullpen: It is incredible that no lead is safe with this bullpen. With the standard 105 pitch limit taking pitchers only into the 5th-7th innings most nights, the necessity for a top notch bullpen is obvious. Teams that load up in the pen have a big advantage, teams that don't are the Mets.
Overall offense: Very good teams that don't hit very well will rise to the occasion when their best pitchers are on the mound. Get him 3 runs, and they know a top notch guy will make it stand up. Goes for the bullpen too. The fact that deGrom has some crazy state of giving up 3 runs or less in all but 4 or 5 of his last 58 starts and is only .500 is insane.
The fat lady is warming up. Never say never, but the Mets pretty much have to run the table over the next 10 days.
Bullpen: It is incredible that no lead is safe with this bullpen. With the standard 105 pitch limit taking pitchers only into the 5th-7th innings most nights, the necessity for a top notch bullpen is obvious. Teams that load up in the pen have a big advantage, teams that don't are the Mets.
Overall offense: Very good teams that don't hit very well will rise to the occasion when their best pitchers are on the mound. Get him 3 runs, and they know a top notch guy will make it stand up. Goes for the bullpen too. The fact that deGrom has some crazy state of giving up 3 runs or less in all but 4 or 5 of his last 58 starts and is only .500 is insane.
The fat lady is warming up. Never say never, but the Mets pretty much have to run the table over the next 10 days.
beast of the east
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Despite all the comments here, forcing Syndergaard to pitch to a catcher he clearly isn't comfortable with is just dumb, no matter how well the guy has been hitting.
Spocky Ramone
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=357925]Despite all the comments here, forcing Syndergaard to pitch to a catcher he clearly isn't comfortable with is just typical Mets, no matter how well the guy has been hitting.[/quote]
Just one minor yet pertinent adjustment to increase topical relevance
Just one minor yet pertinent adjustment to increase topical relevance
The bottom line on the Mets is that they were horrible in the first half or more of the season. At one point they were 41-52. They played well after the All Star break. However, it is stating the obvious that all games count even ones in April and May. Think of all the blown saves, the sweep in Miami, or the 0-6 Atlanta and Chicago series in August/Sept, or the blown 6 run lead. Flip just some of those results and they are still in contention.
We will have all off season to disagree on the causes. Terrible bullpen? Awful Manager? That’s all that is left. 33 years since the Mets last WS win.
We will have all off season to disagree on the causes. Terrible bullpen? Awful Manager? That’s all that is left. 33 years since the Mets last WS win.
beast of the east
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I've hesitated to bash Stroman despite the fact that his tenue with the Mets has produced worse results than his season in the AL, despite the DH.
I don't know if he isn't all that good, that the season with Toronto was luck, a too small sampling to judge him on (8 starts prior to last night) or if he has had to learn the book on hitters here. I do know that in a hitters park, Stroman pitched a great game, tossing 7 shutout innings and fanning 7.
I don't know if he isn't all that good, that the season with Toronto was luck, a too small sampling to judge him on (8 starts prior to last night) or if he has had to learn the book on hitters here. I do know that in a hitters park, Stroman pitched a great game, tossing 7 shutout innings and fanning 7.
[quote="sjc88" post=358039]Syndergaard today in Colorado 4 runs, 10 hits, 3 stolen bases against....damn you Rene Rivera....:S
Oh, and some dude named Hilliard has two HRs... the first two homerun game on the road by Syndergaard since May.[/quote]
Pretty sure Ramos was calling pitches from the dugout.
Oh, and some dude named Hilliard has two HRs... the first two homerun game on the road by Syndergaard since May.[/quote]
Pretty sure Ramos was calling pitches from the dugout.
[quote="Logen" post=358044]Nice win, some holes, but certainly no quit in this team. Bodes well......[/quote]
This team has become a tough out. Maybe next season we figure out the early season. Of course, they should keep trying to win until they are officially done. You never know.
This team has become a tough out. Maybe next season we figure out the early season. Of course, they should keep trying to win until they are officially done. You never know.
[quote="SI1996" post=358080]If the bullpen was just bad instead of historically bad, we would at least be leading the wild card over the Nats.[/quote]
The flip side is the Nats can make the same argument, their bullpen has been atrocious this year. The difference is they have been able to overcome that better than the Mets.
The flip side is the Nats can make the same argument, their bullpen has been atrocious this year. The difference is they have been able to overcome that better than the Mets.
[quote="fordham96" post=358083][quote="SI1996" post=358080]If the bullpen was just bad instead of historically bad, we would at least be leading the wild card over the Nats.[/quote]
The flip side is the Nats can make the same argument, their bullpen has been atrocious this year. The difference is they have been able to overcome that better than the Mets.[/quote]
Right on point about the Nats bullpen ; they have overcome, somewhat on the strength of better starting pitching. A better argument is that the Mets would be ahead or nip and tuck with the Cubs and Brewers. Over 162 games every team has some legitimate "you gotta be kidding me games" but the Mets have had way more than normal.
The flip side is the Nats can make the same argument, their bullpen has been atrocious this year. The difference is they have been able to overcome that better than the Mets.[/quote]
Right on point about the Nats bullpen ; they have overcome, somewhat on the strength of better starting pitching. A better argument is that the Mets would be ahead or nip and tuck with the Cubs and Brewers. Over 162 games every team has some legitimate "you gotta be kidding me games" but the Mets have had way more than normal.
[quote="Logen" post=358044]Nice win, some holes, but certainly no quit in this team. Bodes well......[/quote]
Shockingly, our strength going forward is a core of young, homegrown position players: Alonso, McNeill, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario... and possibly Gimenez next year. (Jared Kelenic, where are you?)
When was the last time we could say that? Ever?
This year has been more fun than I anticipated in July.
But if we get a decent manager and Brodie doesn't try to act like he's smarter than everyone else in the offseason, maybe we have something better next year.
Shockingly, our strength going forward is a core of young, homegrown position players: Alonso, McNeill, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario... and possibly Gimenez next year. (Jared Kelenic, where are you?)
When was the last time we could say that? Ever?
This year has been more fun than I anticipated in July.
But if we get a decent manager and Brodie doesn't try to act like he's smarter than everyone else in the offseason, maybe we have something better next year.
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