2019 NY Mets

[quote="sjc88" post=357428]What a wonderful effort by Marcus Stroman tonight. Gave up a lead off homer to start the game. Total of 4 innings, 5 runs 10 (!) hits. 85 pitches. Looks like he was Throwing batting practice. He’s been terrible. Can’t wait to hear the excuses.[/quote] his sole met highlight was fielding that ball the first or second game :)
 
[quote="sjc88" post=357428]What a wonderful effort by Marcus Stroman tonight. Gave up a lead off homer to start the game. Total of 4 innings, 5 runs 10 (!) hits. 85 pitches. Looks like he was Throwing batting practice. He’s been terrible. Can’t wait to hear the excuses.[/quote]

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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=357431][quote="sjc88" post=357428]What a wonderful effort by Marcus Stroman tonight. Gave up a lead off homer to start the game. Total of 4 innings, 5 runs 10 (!) hits. 85 pitches. Looks like he was Throwing batting practice. He’s been terrible. Can’t wait to hear the excuses.[/quote] his sole met highlight was fielding that ball the first or second game :)[/quote]

Sadly, I can hear Callaway, “he battled”...:pinch:
 
[quote="gman" post=357394]Diaz and Familia at the back of the pen mean we have no chance of pulling out the playoffs. This offense can't always bail them out. Familia proved he can't handle a big stage. I have no idea why they brought him back.

I saw this analysis of Diaz on Amazin Avenue and thought it was interesting

Data doesn't lie
Last year, Diaz grooved 2.5% of his sliders. (That is, middle-middle, where virtually no slider should end up.)

This year, Diaz has grooved just under 8% of his sliders. His groove rate is virtually unchanged against lefties (right around 1 percent in both years), but against righties, it’s jumped from 3.9% last year to 10.8% this year

Last year, against righties, he was giving up a 20% line drive rate on his slider. This year, over 28%.

Last year, his slider ISO against was .151 for righties and .020 for lefties. This year, it’s .271 for righties and .235 for lefties.

Against righties, he left about 15% of his sliders middle-to-up in the zone last year. This year, it’s just under 22%. Last year, around 15% of his sliders ended up middle-in below the zone against righties. This year, that’s only about 7.5%.

Against lefties, it’s a similar-ish story. Fewer pitches middle-up, but he’s lost the ability to consistently get the slider down-and-away-ish to lefties. Last year, about 25% of his sliders to lefties ended up middle-away below the zone. This year, that number is below 16%.

Why is Diaz struggling? He’s a two pitch pitcher who has lost command of one of his pitches. His slider sometimes works fine, and he still gets whiffs off of it (even if the whiff % is down from 29% to 23%), but he can’t consistently get it where it needs to go, and as a result is leaving it up in the zone in hittable areas. And as Tom Seaver once said – catchers don’t catch hanging sliders, fans catch hanging sliders.

Posted by Verklemptomaniac on Sep 6, 2019 | 11:59 PM[/quote]

I heard that baseballs are more slippery this year and that it's much harder to throw a slider well. Has anyone heard this?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=357446][quote="gman" post=357394]Diaz and Familia at the back of the pen mean we have no chance of pulling out the playoffs. This offense can't always bail them out. Familia proved he can't handle a big stage. I have no idea why they brought him back.

I saw this analysis of Diaz on Amazin Avenue and thought it was interesting

Data doesn't lie
Last year, Diaz grooved 2.5% of his sliders. (That is, middle-middle, where virtually no slider should end up.)

This year, Diaz has grooved just under 8% of his sliders. His groove rate is virtually unchanged against lefties (right around 1 percent in both years), but against righties, it’s jumped from 3.9% last year to 10.8% this year

Last year, against righties, he was giving up a 20% line drive rate on his slider. This year, over 28%.

Last year, his slider ISO against was .151 for righties and .020 for lefties. This year, it’s .271 for righties and .235 for lefties.

Against righties, he left about 15% of his sliders middle-to-up in the zone last year. This year, it’s just under 22%. Last year, around 15% of his sliders ended up middle-in below the zone against righties. This year, that’s only about 7.5%.

Against lefties, it’s a similar-ish story. Fewer pitches middle-up, but he’s lost the ability to consistently get the slider down-and-away-ish to lefties. Last year, about 25% of his sliders to lefties ended up middle-away below the zone. This year, that number is below 16%.

Why is Diaz struggling? He’s a two pitch pitcher who has lost command of one of his pitches. His slider sometimes works fine, and he still gets whiffs off of it (even if the whiff % is down from 29% to 23%), but he can’t consistently get it where it needs to go, and as a result is leaving it up in the zone in hittable areas. And as Tom Seaver once said – catchers don’t catch hanging sliders, fans catch hanging sliders.

Posted by Verklemptomaniac on Sep 6, 2019 | 11:59 PM[/quote]

I heard that baseballs are more slippery this year and that it's much harder to throw a slider well. Has anyone heard this?[/quote] I believe deGrom was trying to help Diaz with this as he has had to find a new grip on his slider because of something w the ball.
 
Mets pitching, outside of deGrom, Wilson and Lugo have let them down all year. Minus deGrom, starting has been very spotty, certainly not what we needed or even expected. Bullpen has by and large been a disaster. Winning and losing are habits and states of mind and this is another year where the Yankees and Mets prove it again. Mets finally get some real offense and so what? I draw parallels between this Met season and last years Redmen, for both it could (and maybe should) have been so much more.
 
[quote="Logen" post=357466]Mets pitching, outside of deGrom, Wilson and Lugo have let them down all year. Minus deGrom, starting has been very spotty, certainly not what we needed or even expected. Bullpen has by and large been a disaster. Winning and losing are habits and states of mind and this is another year where the Yankees and Mets prove it again. Mets finally get some real offense and so what? I draw parallels between this Met season and last years Redmen, for both it could (and maybe should) have been so much more.[/quote]

Thanks fellas, Syndegaard goes an ineffective 5, losing a 3 run lead; Mets tie it, bullpen immediately gives up a quick 3 spot.
 
[quote="Logen" post=357468][quote="Logen" post=357466]Mets pitching, outside of deGrom, Wilson and Lugo have let them down all year. Minus deGrom, starting has been very spotty, certainly not what we needed or even expected. Bullpen has by and large been a disaster. Winning and losing are habits and states of mind and this is another year where the Yankees and Mets prove it again. Mets finally get some real offense and so what? I draw parallels between this Met season and last years Redmen, for both it could (and maybe should) have been so much more.[/quote]

Thanks fellas, Syndegaard goes an ineffective 5, losing a 3 run lead; Mets tie it, bullpen immediately gives up a quick 3 spot.[/quote]

5 runs in 1 2/3 innings for the bullpen as Wilson decides to join the party.
 
Nice job by Pete Alonso. Now has 47 HRs. I think they said IF he leads all of baseball at the end of the season he would be first rookie to do so in baseball history. Those two HRs gave him a lead of 2 over Trout (45) and 3 over Yellich (44). That would be some accomplishment. Even if he doesn’t do it, he is having an amazing rookie year.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=357568]Nice job by Pete Alonso. Now has 47 HRs. I think they said IF he leads all of baseball at the end of the season he would be first rookie to do so in baseball history. Those two HRs gave him a lead of 2 over Trout (45) and 3 over Yellich (44). That would be some accomplishment. Even if he doesn’t do it, he is having an amazing rookie year.[/quote]

He would be the first to do so, if he leads baseball outright. Mark McGwire hit 49 homers as a rookie in 1987, which tied him for the Major League lead with Andre Dawson.

Either way, it's been a great season. Alonzo is very Piazza-like, IMO, in his ability to pull an outside pitch for power.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=357446][quote="gman" post=357394]Diaz and Familia at the back of the pen mean we have no chance of pulling out the playoffs. This offense can't always bail them out. Familia proved he can't handle a big stage. I have no idea why they brought him back.

I saw this analysis of Diaz on Amazin Avenue and thought it was interesting

Data doesn't lie
Last year, Diaz grooved 2.5% of his sliders. (That is, middle-middle, where virtually no slider should end up.)

This year, Diaz has grooved just under 8% of his sliders. His groove rate is virtually unchanged against lefties (right around 1 percent in both years), but against righties, it’s jumped from 3.9% last year to 10.8% this year

Last year, against righties, he was giving up a 20% line drive rate on his slider. This year, over 28%.

Last year, his slider ISO against was .151 for righties and .020 for lefties. This year, it’s .271 for righties and .235 for lefties.

Against righties, he left about 15% of his sliders middle-to-up in the zone last year. This year, it’s just under 22%. Last year, around 15% of his sliders ended up middle-in below the zone against righties. This year, that’s only about 7.5%.

Against lefties, it’s a similar-ish story. Fewer pitches middle-up, but he’s lost the ability to consistently get the slider down-and-away-ish to lefties. Last year, about 25% of his sliders to lefties ended up middle-away below the zone. This year, that number is below 16%.

Why is Diaz struggling? He’s a two pitch pitcher who has lost command of one of his pitches. His slider sometimes works fine, and he still gets whiffs off of it (even if the whiff % is down from 29% to 23%), but he can’t consistently get it where it needs to go, and as a result is leaving it up in the zone in hittable areas. And as Tom Seaver once said – catchers don’t catch hanging sliders, fans catch hanging sliders.

Posted by Verklemptomaniac on Sep 6, 2019 | 11:59 PM[/quote]

I heard that baseballs are more slippery this year and that it's much harder to throw a slider well. Has anyone heard this?[/quote]


Yes, Syndergaard had complained about this earlier in the year.
 
Syndegaard runs to Brodie to complain about Ramos as his catcher. Interesting that Ramos had three runs batted in. He may not be a good defensive catcher but it doesn't seem to hurt deGROM pitching to him. After all it's not Ramos giving up the homerun ball. Personally I think the Mets will get rid of Noah next season.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=357588]Syndegaard runs to Brodie to complain about Ramos as his catcher. Interesting that Ramos had three runs batted in. He may not be a good defensive catcher but it doesn't seem to hurt deGROM pitching to him. After all it's not Ramos giving up the homerun ball. Personally I think the Mets will get rid of Noah next season.[/quote]

What I've heard and been shown is that while other catchers always bring their glove into the strike zone after catching a borderline pitch, Wilson moves it out, costing pitchers called strikes.

I do understand that pitchers have favorite catchers. Steve Carlton at his best wanted only Tim McCarver as his catcher, and that extended McCarver's career, even if he couldn't hit any more.

Except when a guy spends too much time in bars and being around the city (like a Harvey) even as his performance is in decline, I can't be too critical of guys trying their best and not performing the way they'd like to.

On the plus side our own Joe Panik is hitting .280 as a Meta and to me, playing baseball the way it should be played.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=357666][quote="JackofVirginia" post=357588]Syndegaard runs to Brodie to complain about Ramos as his catcher. Interesting that Ramos had three runs batted in. He may not be a good defensive catcher but it doesn't seem to hurt deGROM pitching to him. After all it's not Ramos giving up the homerun ball. Personally I think the Mets will get rid of Noah next season.[/quote]

What I've heard and been shown is that while other catchers always bring their glove into the strike zone after catching a borderline pitch, Wilson moves it out, costing pitchers called strikes.

I do understand that pitchers have favorite catchers. Steve Carlton at his best wanted only Tim McCarver as his catcher, and that extended McCarver's career, even if he couldn't hit any more.

Except when a guy spends too much time in bars and being around the city (like a Harvey) even as his performance is in decline, I can't be too critical of guys trying their best and not performing the way they'd like to.

On the plus side our own Joe Panik is hitting .280 as a Meta and to me, playing baseball the way it should be played.[/quote]
Typical Mets. Trying to get a spot in the wildcard game. Should we accommodate a pitcher’s request? Seems to me that whatever gives your pitcher the best chance to get a win is what you do, even if it’s purely mental. Could be the difference between 5 runs in 4 innings allowed, or 2 in 7. Brodie thought it was a great idea when he was an agent, now not so much. Callaway says you shouldn’t bench a hot batter, even though he’s done it repeatedly. I remember a scorching hot McNeil getting a day off. In April. Because it was scheduled. Hypocritical, inept morons. But remember, the fish stinks from the head.
 
As a former pitcher before college before I ruined my arm pitchers need to shut the fuck up. I totally get catchers framing the plate but you do your job well enough it wont matter and if Ramos was so bad every pitcher would hate him. I hate whiners on a team and overall I'm pro Thor but STFU and pitch
 
I think Darling said it best. NL playoff teams really would rather not see the Mets in the post season. With some great starting pitching, a lot of power through the lineup, this team could be very dangerous in a short series. Put two starters in the pen with lugo and bullpen problems solved.

We probably won't get there though because of pen and that's a shame.
 
Last night Gary Cohen surprised me with his comments regarding J. Davis pinch hitting in the eight. He was questioning why Caaloway wasn't using Conforto or Guillarme off the bench instead of Davis. Well first of all, both are lefties and the Dodger pitcher was a lefty. You see Gary that is why Conforto has been benched the last few days against Kershaw and Ryu. Davis may have been 0 for 10 in his pinch hitting role but has hit the ball solidly in most of his outs. I have even been waiting for him to have a chance to start one game. And as Hernandez responded to Cohen after the three run double Davis is a veteran with post season experience. Guillarme? Give me a break Cohen!
 
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