2019 NY Mets

[quote="Logen" post=357154]Just a horrible at bat by McNeil, Joe West hasn’t called a low strike in his life and he swings at 3 pitches at his ankle. Good fortune to tie on the wild pitch. And Stroman certainly settled down after a tough start.[/quote]

Well, when the best you can do in a wild card race in a tie game in the 8th is bring in relievers with ERAs of 7 and 6, good fortune matters not.............
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=357153][quote="sjc88" post=357152]Marcus Stroman, spotted a 1 nothing lead in the 1st on an Alonso HR, has managed to give up a HR and 2 runs on 5 hits. He also has an error and a bloated pitch count. One runner has been thrown out at the plate by a great throw by Conforto. Did I mention that it is the 2nd inning?

Not looking good again tonight.[/quote]
Same score, 8th inning. To paraphrase Ani:
I find your lack of faith in the Mets disturbing.:p[/quote]

Just another path to a frustrating 5-2 L.
 
[quote="Logen" post=357156][quote="Logen" post=357154]Just a horrible at bat by McNeil, Joe West hasn’t called a low strike in his life and he swings at 3 pitches at his ankle. Good fortune to tie on the wild pitch. And Stroman certainly settled down after a tough start.[/quote]

Well, when the best you can do in a wild card race in a tie game in the 8th is bring in relievers with ERAs of 7 and 6, good fortune matters not.............[/quote]

Mets need length from the starters given the state of the bullpen. Hard to do when the guy (starter)has almost 100 pitches by the 6th inning. We all know guys turn in to the great pumpkin at 100 pitches.
Anyone know why Zamora was brought in to face Harper. I’ll assume Justin Wilson was unavailable? Two more years of Familia. Yikes.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=357167][quote="Logen" post=357156][quote="Logen" post=357154]Just a horrible at bat by McNeil, Joe West hasn’t called a low strike in his life and he swings at 3 pitches at his ankle. Good fortune to tie on the wild pitch. And Stroman certainly settled down after a tough start.[/quote]

Well, when the best you can do in a wild card race in a tie game in the 8th is bring in relievers with ERAs of 7 and 6, good fortune matters not.............[/quote]

Mets need length from the starters given the state of the bullpen. Hard to do when the guy (starter)has almost 100 pitches by the 6th inning. We all know guys turn in to the great pumpkin at 100 pitches.
Anyone know why Zamora was brought in to face Harper. I’ll assume Justin Wilson was unavailable? Two more years of Familia. Yikes.[/quote]

I assume so, better strategy might have been to leave Avilan in to pitch to Realmuto in the 7th, if he gets on, you have the better lefty to face Harper in the 7th. If not, Avilan is available to pitch to him leading off the 8th. The only real downside is if Realmuto homers off Avilan, otherwise you have the best matchup with Harper under the circumstances.
 
So last start, Calloway leaves Syndegaard in after giving up 6 after 1, 8 after 2, but takes him out after 90 pitches throwing a 3 hitter after 7. I just don’t get it, I could see if the Mets had a lights out bullpen but you are either taking a stupid gamble at this time of the season or wasting your couple of dependable relievers.

Easy 8th by Bashlor sooooooooooo, shut my mouth, doubt Syndegaard pitches past 100 up 7-0, so I was wrong again. :p :p :p
 
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[quote="Logen" post=357175]So last start, Calloway leaves Syndegaard in after giving up 6 after 1, 8 after 2, but takes him out after 90 pitches throwing a 3 hitter after 7. I just don’t get it, I could see if the Mets had a lights out bullpen but you are either taking a stupid gamble at this time of the season or wasting your couple of dependable relievers.

Easy 8th by Bashlor sooooooooooo, shut my mouth, doubt Syndegaard pitches past 100 up 7-0, so I was wrong again. :p :p :p[/quote]

Bashlor, of course, can’t get through the 9th giving up a 3 run homer to Cabrera. Mets forced to use Diaz. So Logen you weren’t completely off. :unsure:
 
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[quote="Logen" post=357175]So last start, Calloway leaves Syndegaard in after giving up 6 after 1, 8 after 2, but takes him out after 90 pitches throwing a 3 hitter after 7. I just don’t get it, I could see if the Mets had a lights out bullpen but you are either taking a stupid gamble at this time of the season or wasting your couple of dependable relievers.

Easy 8th by Bashlor sooooooooooo, shut my mouth, doubt Syndegaard pitches past 100 up 7-0, so I was wrong again. :p :p :p[/quote]

So in a very comparable situation Calloway leaves deGrom in to pitch the 8th with Lugo and Miller available. He gives up a single and a home run and then goes to the pen. Now deGrom is a better pitcher than Syndegaard but curious to me. Certainly second guessing at it’s finest but Calloway doesn’t seem to have much “feel” for his pitchers.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=357229][quote="Logen" post=357175]So last start, Calloway leaves Syndegaard in after giving up 6 after 1, 8 after 2, but takes him out after 90 pitches throwing a 3 hitter after 7. I just don’t get it, I could see if the Mets had a lights out bullpen but you are either taking a stupid gamble at this time of the season or wasting your couple of dependable relievers.

Easy 8th by Bashlor sooooooooooo, shut my mouth, doubt Syndegaard pitches past 100 up 7-0, so I was wrong again. :p :p :p[/quote]

So in a very comparable situation Calloway leaves deGrom in to pitch the 8th with Lugo and Miller available. He gives up a single and a home run and then goes to the pen. Now deGrom is a better pitcher than Syndegaard but curious to me. Certainly second guessing at it’s finest but Calloway doesn’t seem to have much “feel” for his pitchers.[/quote]

Does Calloway know how important each game is, just proving my point, this is not April!!! Frankly, he should be fired tonight. As absurd as that sounds he is a joke. Hanging by a thread and you bring in SEWARD to give the Nationals life!!! And wind up with Diaz with his back against the wall when he has proven he can’t deal with pressure. SEWARD!!!!
 
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[quote="alexander salem" post=357234]That has to be one of the worst losses for the Mets in years, possibly an all timer. Wow.[/quote]

No possibly about it, hanging in a wild card race and the manager acts like it’s spring training. The guy is a joke.......at least bring in Diaz to start the inning. One way or another the Mets will find ways to lose......Calloway hasn’t seen enough bullpen meltdowns this year to know games are never over????
 
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[quote="alexander salem" post=357234]That has to be one of the worst losses for the Mets in years, possibly an all timer. Wow.[/quote] you are definitely olderr than me young Jedi :)
 
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Our bullpen is what is keep a legitimate contender out of the playoffs, I've never seen anything like this in my life. Their terrible!
 
[quote="Tommy O 54" post=357241]Our bullpen is what is keep a legitimate contender out of the playoffs, I've never seen anything like this in my life. Their terrible![/quote]

Agreed, but with this bullpen and manager we are a pretender, not a contender. One can say a major league pitcher obviously should be able to protect a 6 run lead but with our bullpen track record letting Seward start the 9th was a recipe for disaster. The 9th is different, not just another inning and you put out a guy who first, is not a very good pitcher and second, just doesn’t pitch the 9th in a winning situation. I assume Wilson was not available to pitch to Soto, but then you back yourself into a corner by having to bring Diaz, who appears to have lost confidence and has not shown anything as far as dealing with pressure, into the middle of an inning with runners on, something most closers are not comfortable with to begin with. For an ex-pitching coach Calloway seems lost in handling a staff. So the combo of a weak bullpen and Calloway’s ineptness has doomed this team IMO. You don’t want Lugo to go 2 innings up 6 I get, but bringing in Diaz to start the inning, a situation he is obviously comfortable in, is a no-brainer. So we lost a game shockingly and Calloway put Diaz into a situation that has to further erode his already very shaky confidence.
 
I fell asleep when the game was 10-4 and Sewald was about to enter the game. Can’t say I am shocked. They should have let Lugo close it.
 
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Mickey Callaway should be fired. Yes the bullpen personnel is horrid. That said, a Manager a long time ago said you play to win Today’s game and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Lugo should never have been taken out. Boot on a team’s throat you go for the kill. Okay, you want to preserve Lugo and think anyone can hold a 6 run cushion? Has he been watching all season? Okay, you still want to make the change. Where the hell is Justin Wilson?. I haven’t seen him since one inning on Saturday. He is a pro. Nope. Doesn’t use him. Just inexcusable bullpen Management. So at a point in the season where they need to win a game. He leaves it in the hands of guys who have failed all year and blows a 6 run lead in the 9th. A soul crushing defeat.
 
Horrible, horrible loss. Actually, if you stack up all of the Mets horrible losses, this one looks more horrible than just about any of them.

As always said, hindsight is 20-20. Completely understand that Lugo was to pitch the 8th and 9th, but once we had a 6 run lead, not to waste him. He is often unavailable the next day after 1 inning of work, and 2 innings would have made him completely unavailable if needed tonight. The failure of any major league bullpen, no less your ace closer to hold down a 6 run lead is ridiculously on the players. A guy like Seewald just had to get 3 outs in a situation even if he was nicked for a couple of runs. Diaz' performance is inexcusable and you could only imagine what a Steinbrenner in his prime would have done or said today.

To me, the Lugo decision made tons of sense, but after Lugo our bullpen totally sucks and should all be cut loose for triple A players.

Oh, except for the fact the the Syracuse Mets blews an 8th inning 13-7 lead of their own last night and lost 14-13.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=357256]Horrible, horrible loss.

Oh, except for the fact the the Syracuse Mets blews an 8th inning 13-7 lead of their own last night and lost 14-13.[/quote]
Like father like son. :(
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=357256]Horrible, horrible loss. Actually, if you stack up all of the Mets horrible losses, this one looks more horrible than just about any of them.

As always said, hindsight is 20-20. Completely understand that Lugo was to pitch the 8th and 9th, but once we had a 6 run lead, not to waste him. He is often unavailable the next day after 1 inning of work, and 2 innings would have made him completely unavailable if needed tonight. The failure of any major league bullpen, no less your ace closer to hold down a 6 run lead is ridiculously on the players. A guy like Seewald just had to get 3 outs in a situation even if he was nicked for a couple of runs. Diaz' performance is inexcusable and you could only imagine what a Steinbrenner in his prime would have done or said today.

To me, the Lugo decision made tons of sense, but after Lugo our bullpen totally sucks and should all be cut loose for triple A players.

Oh, except for the fact the the Syracuse Mets blews an 8th inning 13-7 lead of their own last night and lost 14-13.[/quote]

Absolutely agree, especially with the second guessing. Let's face it even though Seawall has been a disappointment in the past he recently has looked a lot better. No way should Callaway used LUGO in the ninth, just imagine all the criticism he would have warranted from all you second guessers. As far as I am concerned it came down to Diaz' last pitch. He made the batter look bad on two great sliders,so what does Nido call for two fast balls. That ladies and gentlemen was the reason for the loss.
 
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