2019 NY Mets

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=356864][quote="Beast of the East" post=356840]As easy as it is to be negative, the Mets are playing meaningful baseball in late August, and had won something like 27 out of 37 coming in.

These kids play with a lot of enthusiasm and energy, and it's very hard not to love the way Davis, Alonso, Conforto, Syndergaard, deGrom, McNeil, etc. play.

Let's hope they regroup and play some spirited games they win vs. Chicago. It's a long season, and for me, there have been too many seasons that ended in June. This is great. Enjoy it.[/quote] we'd be in first by 10 games without Diaz :)[/quote]

In Pedro's first year with Mets he was winning in something like 24 starts when he had left games.
 
Pretty much time to put Stroman, if not in the Diaz “bust” column, at least in the “insignificant” pickup one. You can fist pump and chest pound all you want but..................
 
[quote="sjc88" post=356533][quote="Logen" post=356528]Watching Stronan again tonight and I don’t get it. 4 or 5 starts into his Mets career and has looked like nothing but a journeyman pitcher.[/quote]

I have been having this same discussion with my son. We’ve argued, with me telling him that he is a 4 or 5 on a good staff. Maybe a 3. Certainly not a 1 or 2. I told him people who keep talking like he is anything better than that will be disappointed.
All that being said, My son is in his mid twenties and I find that people of a certain age like the fist pumping, chest bumping show. I am more focused on results and his WHIP and ERA over his career have been meh not wow.
I keep looking for it, but 4 starts in I haven’t seen it. Now he has a hamstring tightness. I guess we will have to wait longer to see some better results.[/quote]

There it is. The talk, the chest bumping and all the antics. What do we get? Another mediocre to below average start. Can’t say I am surprised but was hoping he would step it up. Guess not.
 
So, I’m a Yankee fan, but pay attention to the Mets when they’re playing well. Stroman’s #’s this year with Toronto and over his career are much better against a tougher hitting AL than what he’s shown in 5 games in NY so far. I think you guys need to give him some more time. It’s possible he’s just not made for pitching here (maybe too much pressure being so close to home), but I think it’s more likely that he’s still adjusting to a new league, team, hitters, etc. And with the added pressure of pitching close to home, he may be losing some focus and just trying too hard. I would place my bet on this guy returning to the averages he’s accumulated over a much bigger sample size from the AL, and likely exceed that before long.
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=356935]So, I’m a Yankee fan, but pay attention to the Mets when they’re playing well. Stroman’s #’s this year with Toronto and over his career are much better against a tougher hitting AL than what he’s shown in 5 games in NY so far. I think you guys need to give him some more time. It’s possible he’s just not made for pitching here (maybe too much pressure being so close to home), but I think it’s more likely that he’s still adjusting to a new league, team, hitters, etc. And with the added pressure of pitching close to home, he may be losing some focus and just trying too hard. I would place my bet on this guy returning to the averages he’s accumulated over a much bigger sample size from the AL, and likely exceed that before long.[/quote]

You may be right, I agree 5 or 6 games is not a definitive sample size. On the other hand, his lifetime ERA is 3.8, not horrible but not ace stuff, gives up a hit an inning over his career and is a little over a .500 pitcher in W's and L's. Maybe he is better than he has pitched for the Mets but from what I have seen and going over his career stats, not someone who warranted the euphoria of his acquisition, just my opinion.
 
Must have missed the euphoria part and the characterization of him as an ace. The local talking heads have him as a back of the rotation starter.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=356947]Must have missed the euphoria part and the characterization of him as an ace. The local talking heads have him as a back of the rotation starter.[/quote]

You are probably right, I don't follow AL baseball at all so I guess I misunderstood his perceived value. I also don't listen to talking heads, 90% of the time I don't even keep the sound on when watching sports.
 
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[quote="bamafan" post=356947]Must have missed the euphoria part and the characterization of him as an ace. The local talking heads have him as a back of the rotation starter.[/quote]

You must have missed the criticism the Jays took for the package or the lack of talent they received back. I actually thought the Jays did well. Woods-Richardson and Kay are about what they should have expected. Scouts were quoted as “surprised” at the return. They were not talking back of rotation starter..

I also don’t buy the American League factor as much. That has been somewhat skewed by Interleague play. In addition the NL is beating the AL in head to head for a second consecutive season. Probably because bottom of AL is putrid. Does matter who you play against.
Water under the bridge, but he needs to be better for Mets to have a chance.
 
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[quote="sjc88" post=356954][quote="bamafan" post=356947]Must have missed the euphoria part and the characterization of him as an ace. The local talking heads have him as a back of the rotation starter.[/quote]

You must have missed the criticism the Jays took for the package or the lack of talent they received back. I actually thought the Jays did well. Woods-Richardson and Kay are about what they should have expected. Scouts were quoted as “surprised” at the return. They were not talking back of rotation starter..

I also don’t buy the American League factor as much. That has been somewhat skewed by Interleague play. In addition the NL is beating the AL in head to head for a second consecutive season. Probably because bottom of AL is putrid. Does matter who you play against.
Water under the bridge, but he needs to be better for Mets to have a chance.[/quote]

These are good points, but the move from the AL to the NL and anticipated improvement in stats, is not because of the AL being better than the NL (so head to head is not the issue). It’s about the pitcher batting. Period. It has to be easier to pitch to those lineups. Whether he takes advantage of that or not remains to be seen.

As for his ERA, it’s 3.29 combined for this season, which puts him only behind De Grom on the Mets. And 80% of his starts were in the AL. This guy is a solid pitcher, whether he’s a 1, 2 or 3 starter. I’m not buying back of the rotation though. Whether his ERA is 3.29 or 3.8, that’s not the back of many rotations.
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=356956][quote="sjc88" post=356954][quote="bamafan" post=356947]Must have missed the euphoria part and the characterization of him as an ace. The local talking heads have him as a back of the rotation starter.[/quote]

You must have missed the criticism the Jays took for the package or the lack of talent they received back. I actually thought the Jays did well. Woods-Richardson and Kay are about what they should have expected. Scouts were quoted as “surprised” at the return. They were not talking back of rotation starter..

I also don’t buy the American League factor as much. That has been somewhat skewed by Interleague play. In addition the NL is beating the AL in head to head for a second consecutive season. Probably because bottom of AL is putrid. Does matter who you play against.
Water under the bridge, but he needs to be better for Mets to have a chance.[/quote]

These are good points, but the move from the AL to the NL and anticipated improvement in stats, is not because of the AL being better than the NL (so head to head is not the issue). It’s about the pitcher batting. Period. It has to be easier to pitch to those lineups. Whether he takes advantage of that or not remains to be seen.

As for his ERA, it’s 3.29 combined for this season, which puts him only behind De Grom on the Mets. And 80% of his starts were in the AL. This guy is a solid pitcher, whether he’s a 1, 2 or 3 starter. I’m not buying back of the rotation though. Whether his ERA is 3.29 or 3.8, that’s not the back of many rotations.[/quote]

Since I started this, let me say, all I have to go on is what I have seen. That’s not much, albeit with the already acknowledged small sample size. We will see what he becomes as a Met going forward.
 
Agreed Logen. Stats and his past will mean very little if he continues to fail as a Met. I hope he turns it around and you guys get some benefit out of that trade.
 
Wow nice start for Thor and the Amazings tonight vs Cubs-down 6-0 in first inning.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=357001]Wow nice start for Thor and the Amazings tonight vs Cubs-down 6-0 in first inning.[/quote]

Like I said after the Braves series....THUD. You could see it coming. In fairness, the law of averages just caught up with the Mets, they just don’t have the talent to sustain the run they were on. They have stopped hitting and their pitching outside of deGrom has basically been just ok all year. Hey, it was legitimately fun while it lasted.
 
Not sure why Syndegaard is still in the game, 8-1, no reason to keep him in. No, 10-1, bad job by Calloway just letting him get shelled big time.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=357003]Not sure why Syndegaard is still in the game, 8-1, no reason to keep him in. No, 10-1, bad job by Calloway just letting him get shelled big time.[/quote]

Team has no quit but can’t buy a big hit. Calloway leaving Syndegaard in to give up 10 haunting them a bit as they get back to 10-7.
 
[quote="Logen" post=357015][quote="Logen" post=357003]Not sure why Syndegaard is still in the game, 8-1, no reason to keep him in. No, 10-1, bad job by Calloway just letting him get shelled big time.[/quote]

Team has no quit but can’t buy a big hit. Calloway leaving Syndegaard in to give up 10 haunting them a bit as they get back to 10-7.[/quote]

Get the tying run to the plate but 3-15 with runners in scoring position doomed any historic comeback. A for effort but 5 loses in a row at home now.
 
Marcus Stroman, spotted a 1 nothing lead in the 1st on an Alonso HR, has managed to give up a HR and 2 runs on 5 hits. He also has an error and a bloated pitch count. One runner has been thrown out at the plate by a great throw by Conforto. Did I mention that it is the 2nd inning?

Not looking good again tonight.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=357152]Marcus Stroman, spotted a 1 nothing lead in the 1st on an Alonso HR, has managed to give up a HR and 2 runs on 5 hits. He also has an error and a bloated pitch count. One runner has been thrown out at the plate by a great throw by Conforto. Did I mention that it is the 2nd inning?

Not looking good again tonight.[/quote]
Same score, 8th inning. To paraphrase Ani:
I find your lack of faith in the Mets disturbing.:p
 
Just a horrible at bat by McNeil, Joe West hasn’t called a low strike in his life and he swings at 3 pitches at his ankle. Good fortune to tie on the wild pitch. And Stroman certainly settled down after a tough start.
 
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