2019 NY Mets

[quote="Beast of the East" post=358697]Went to game last night. Great game.

Lots of talent on this team.

With a great bullpen, they'd be printing playoff tix. With a good bullpen, they'd be printing playoff tix. With a fair bullpen, they'd be printing playoff tix.[/quote]

The core is young, deep and mostly homegrown.
Exciting but I fear Brodie will try to be cute this offseason.
 
If Thor goes are there top of the line starters in the farm system? We need a bullpen, perhaps a downgrade in catcher offense for an upgrade in catcher defense, maybe one right handed high average line drive hitter defensive outfielder in place of Nimmo or Dom Smith.

Cano, Cespedes, Diaz, Familia may all be low return on investment with little hope for a turnaround.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=358707]If Thor goes are there top of the line starters in the farm system? We need a bullpen, perhaps a downgrade in catcher offense for an upgrade in catcher defense, maybe one right handed high average line drive hitter defensive outfielder in place of Nimmo or Dom Smith.

Cano, Cespedes, Diaz, Familia may all be low return on investment with little hope for a turnaround.[/quote]

We only had one type of the line starter in the majors this year and it wasn’t Syndegaard. Funny, deGrom had no issue throwing to Ramos or Nido or Rivera; that’s because he is the goods. I harken back to the great Bob Gibson, who when Tim McCarver came out to offer “advice”, sent him back behind the plate after telling him “the only thing you know about pitching is that you can’t hit it.” The pitcher decides what to throw, when to throw it, and then throws it. To blame pitching poorly on the catcher is a crock. Is good chemistry between the two a plus? Yes, certainly. But IMO, Syndegaard would have been much better off looking in the mirror rather than throwing Ramos under the bus while the Mets were in the middle of trying to climb into the wild card race. Apparently, the personal “chemistry” mattered to him, the team chemistry not so much. I have no idea if Syndegaard’s actions had an affect on team chemistry but it couldn’t have helped and it certainly didn’t help his pitching down the stretch, even with the change in catchers.
 
Clearly wasn’t a good look for Syndergaard. I could only imagine if say Stroman decides that oh he throws a lot of ground balls so he is not quite comfortable with Rosario at short. Would that be acceptable? Frankly, some of his teammates probably weren’t comfortable when Syndergaard was pitching to a 5 ERA.
All that said, I hope things can be figured out. Syndergaard is talented.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=358718]Clearly wasn’t a good look for Syndergaard. I could only imagine if say Stroman decides that oh he throws a lot of ground balls so he is not quite comfortable with Rosario at short. Would that be acceptable? Frankly, some of his teammates probably weren’t comfortable when Syndergaard was pitching to a 5 ERA.
All that said, I hope things can be figured out. Syndergaard is talented.[/quote]

I would certainly not argue that.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=358659][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358657][quote="sjc88" post=358653][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358648]Ok for me in a nutshell this season was disappointing because we should be in playoffs but our bullpen was embarrassing. I cant even blame BVW for Diaz because this is just typical met bad luck.

So to me here is the question. Calloway hasn't lost the team obviously. If the mets wont hire Girardi then would you fire Calloway and if so who do you want as manager ?

Calloway annoys me. But then again most met managers do and obviously Wally not getting hired. I want Girardi and think he would be perfect for this team but outside of him I dont have a name[/quote]

MJ, the Nats had a worse bullpen yet they are going to the playoffs. Mets won like 13 of 19 vs Nats but of course I digress. Callaway not only annoys me but he makes too many moves that just don’t make sense. I too lean toward Girardi. However, your question of not him then who? I think another strong candidate would be Robin Ventura. He failed in his first go around but that was the White Sox. I have heard he might want back in. I would also explore Moises Alou who I have heard rumored in San Diego. Both have connections to Mets.[/quote] I dont follow the other teams stat wise as close as the mets. The Nat had more blown saves ?[/quote]

I don’t have the blown saves number. For a good portion of the season their bullpen ERA was worse than Mets. They acquired several guys along the way but they really struggled. Just as I am looking at this Mets are officially eliminated and Jeff McNeill has some sort of broken hand after HBP. Most Mets way to end the season ever.[/quote] I couldn't believe it but statistically, the Nationals bullpen was worse. What I didn't realize (I hate the Nats) is how good of a season the SPs were having. I saw Law of ESPN post his voting for Cy Young/MVP, Nats had three starters in the top 5 of the Cy Young and 4 in the top 10 of the MVP voting. That certainly will make up for some deficiencies in the pen. He predicts we win the Cy Young and ROY so obviously we have a good foundation.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Mickey stay only because BVM seems like the controlling type which he couldn't do with Girardi. I hope I am wrong cause it would be a big mistake keeping him.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=358871]Congrats to big Pete Alonso. Record setting 53 HR by a rookie. Very nice.[/quote] who a highlight he has been this year
 
Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358874]Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit[/quote]
I think the number is 15. Still high.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358889][quote="sjc88" post=358885][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358874]Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit[/quote]
I think the number is 15. Still high.[/quote] as crazy as it sounds Diaz has given up 15

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...6/edwin-diaz-new-york-mets-closer/3782242002/[/URL][/quote]

LOL... During each game I would see Diaz come in and say “time for the complimentary HR”. Apparently he never let me down! Stunning given his 2018 dominance of the AL.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=358925][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358889][quote="sjc88" post=358885][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358874]Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit[/quote]
I think the number is 15. Still high.[/quote] as crazy as it sounds Diaz has given up 15

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...6/edwin-diaz-new-york-mets-closer/3782242002/[/URL][/quote]

LOL... During each game I would see Diaz come in and say “time for the complimentary HR”. Apparently he never let me down! Stunning given his 2018 dominance of the AL.[/quote] he is one of the Met great mysteries. How do you go from so good to do bad in a year ? I have no clue what his stats are but as a former pitcher the one thing I notice is on 1-2 and 2-2 counts he doesn’t use the slider as much as he should. Predictability can kill you as a pitcher unless you have huge arsenal or just have great ball placement. His velocity is excellent. Is his slider less than last year ? I have no idea. Obviously he has lost confidence in it because you would be using it a lot on friendly counts. Is it possible he lost confidence in it because of met defense then spiraled out of control ? Pitching can definitely be a mental game. Some pitchers tougher mentally than others. In hindsight I don’t care if Thor wants to pitch to a certain Catcher. If the odds of us winning are much greater that one day on the mound than having Ramos catch then who cares just put your best team out there that day. It’s not much different than benching a player on a day against a certain opposing pitcher when that player has had little success against him. Unless you could get great trade value or part of bigger trade I’d hold onto Diaz and look to rebuild Jim mentally
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358930][quote="sjc88" post=358925][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358889][quote="sjc88" post=358885][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358874]Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit[/quote]
I think the number is 15. Still high.[/quote] as crazy as it sounds Diaz has given up 15

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...6/edwin-diaz-new-york-mets-closer/3782242002/[/URL][/quote]

LOL... During each game I would see Diaz come in and say “time for the complimentary HR”. Apparently he never let me down! Stunning given his 2018 dominance of the AL.[/quote] he is one of the Met great mysteries. How do you go from so good to do bad in a year ? I have no clue what his stats are but as a former pitcher the one thing I notice is on 1-2 and 2-2 counts he doesn’t use the slider as much as he should. Predictability can kill you as a pitcher unless you have huge arsenal or just have great ball placement. His velocity is excellent. Is his slider less than last year ? I have no idea. Obviously he has lost confidence in it because you would be using it a lot on friendly counts. Is it possible he lost confidence in it because of met defense then spiraled out of control ? Pitching can definitely be a mental game. Some pitchers tougher mentally than others. In hindsight I don’t care if Thor wants to pitch to a certain Catcher. If the odds of us winning are much greater that one day on the mound than having Ramos catch then who cares just put your best team out there that day. It’s not much different than benching a player on a day against a certain opposing pitcher when that player has had little success against him. Unless you could get great trade value or part of bigger trade I’d hold onto Diaz and look to rebuild Jim mentally[/quote]

Who’s Jim and what’s his problem?? ;) ;)
 
[quote="Logen" post=358936][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358930][quote="sjc88" post=358925][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358889][quote="sjc88" post=358885][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358874]Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit[/quote]
I think the number is 15. Still high.[/quote] as crazy as it sounds Diaz has given up 15

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...6/edwin-diaz-new-york-mets-closer/3782242002/[/URL][/quote]

LOL... During each game I would see Diaz come in and say “time for the complimentary HR”. Apparently he never let me down! Stunning given his 2018 dominance of the AL.[/quote] he is one of the Met great mysteries. How do you go from so good to do bad in a year ? I have no clue what his stats are but as a former pitcher the one thing I notice is on 1-2 and 2-2 counts he doesn’t use the slider as much as he should. Predictability can kill you as a pitcher unless you have huge arsenal or just have great ball placement. His velocity is excellent. Is his slider less than last year ? I have no idea. Obviously he has lost confidence in it because you would be using it a lot on friendly counts. Is it possible he lost confidence in it because of met defense then spiraled out of control ? Pitching can definitely be a mental game. Some pitchers tougher mentally than others. In hindsight I don’t care if Thor wants to pitch to a certain Catcher. If the odds of us winning are much greater that one day on the mound than having Ramos catch then who cares just put your best team out there that day. It’s not much different than benching a player on a day against a certain opposing pitcher when that player has had little success against him. Unless you could get great trade value or part of bigger trade I’d hold onto Diaz and look to rebuild Jim mentally[/quote]

Who’s Jim and what’s his problem?? ;) ;)[/quote]Ji is night right thumb and his problem is he sucks at typing on an iPhone. My flip phone was less of an issue. Lol
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=358930][quote="sjc88" post=358925][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358889][quote="sjc88" post=358885][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358874]Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit[/quote]
I think the number is 15. Still high.[/quote] as crazy as it sounds Diaz has given up 15

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...6/edwin-diaz-new-york-mets-closer/3782242002/[/URL][/quote]

LOL... During each game I would see Diaz come in and say “time for the complimentary HR”. Apparently he never let me down! Stunning given his 2018 dominance of the AL.[/quote] he is one of the Met great mysteries. How do you go from so good to do bad in a year ? I have no clue what his stats are but as a former pitcher the one thing I notice is on 1-2 and 2-2 counts he doesn’t use the slider as much as he should. Predictability can kill you as a pitcher unless you have huge arsenal or just have great ball placement. His velocity is excellent. Is his slider less than last year ? I have no idea. Obviously he has lost confidence in it because you would be using it a lot on friendly counts. Is it possible he lost confidence in it because of met defense then spiraled out of control ? Pitching can definitely be a mental game. Some pitchers tougher mentally than others. In hindsight I don’t care if Thor wants to pitch to a certain Catcher. If the odds of us winning are much greater that one day on the mound than having Ramos catch then who cares just put your best team out there that day. It’s not much different than benching a player on a day against a certain opposing pitcher when that player has had little success against him. Unless you could get great trade value or part of bigger trade I’d hold onto Diaz and look to rebuild Jim mentally[/quote]

I would just add that his fastball, although often clocked at 100 mph, is straight as a string. He couldn’t throw the slider for strikes, hitters spit on that and sat on the fastball.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=358954][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358930][quote="sjc88" post=358925][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358889][quote="sjc88" post=358885][quote="mjmaherjr" post=358874]Met pitchers allowed 30 home runs in the 9th inning they just said on tv. Holy shit[/quote]
I think the number is 15. Still high.[/quote] as crazy as it sounds Diaz has given up 15

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...6/edwin-diaz-new-york-mets-closer/3782242002/[/URL][/quote]

LOL... During each game I would see Diaz come in and say “time for the complimentary HR”. Apparently he never let me down! Stunning given his 2018 dominance of the AL.[/quote] he is one of the Met great mysteries. How do you go from so good to do bad in a year ? I have no clue what his stats are but as a former pitcher the one thing I notice is on 1-2 and 2-2 counts he doesn’t use the slider as much as he should. Predictability can kill you as a pitcher unless you have huge arsenal or just have great ball placement. His velocity is excellent. Is his slider less than last year ? I have no idea. Obviously he has lost confidence in it because you would be using it a lot on friendly counts. Is it possible he lost confidence in it because of met defense then spiraled out of control ? Pitching can definitely be a mental game. Some pitchers tougher mentally than others. In hindsight I don’t care if Thor wants to pitch to a certain Catcher. If the odds of us winning are much greater that one day on the mound than having Ramos catch then who cares just put your best team out there that day. It’s not much different than benching a player on a day against a certain opposing pitcher when that player has had little success against him. Unless you could get great trade value or part of bigger trade I’d hold onto Diaz and look to rebuild Jim mentally[/quote]

I would just add that his fastball, although often clocked at 100 mph, is straight as a string. He couldn’t throw the slider for strikes, hitters spit on that and sat on the fastball.[/quote]

I think you nailed it. He has no idea where the slider is going and it rarely is a strike. This started back in spring training. I trust deGrom can help him out.
 
Btw if Mets sin today I sin a season long 1k bet. When Diaz fucks me in the 9th I’m not posting for a week :)
 
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