2019 Coaching Changes

[quote="P Simmons" post=334866][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334853][quote="Room112" post=334850][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

State school with major resources can attempt to do that. We can't even afford to buy out Mullin.[/quote]

Honestly I'm guessing that we can but choose not to especially after Slice fiasco. I know we have a reputation for being poor but we really aren't. We have a nice TV contract with FOX, we get tourney credits for Nova carrying us every year, we have record attendance, etc. You would think we had the budget of CW Post the way some people make it seem. Sure we can't match Alabama, but we surely aren't some no name mid major. We are somewhere in between. Not rich but upper middle class. If the big donors want influence, let them buy Mullin out and put their guy in.[/quote]

To buy out Mullin, you would need to get 40 donors in a room and have each of them shell out $100,000 for the sole purpose of getting Mullin out early. I don't see that happening. Far more likely, IMO, is that those donors take the approach that Mullin created this situation, let HIM pay the consequences for a year more. As much as we fans may hate it, I don't see one more bad year as permanently destroying the program's ability to resurrect itself moving forward. Plus, it gives Cragg another year to search for a solid replacement.[/quote]

Good post but 2 things:

1) you don't need 40 paying 100k each when you have some donors who see $2 million like it's a penny on the ground. Maybe 1 donor buys out $2 mil and the school eats the other $2 mil

2) this is all but admitting the program has been taken hostage and fans are forced to suffer. Just a shame all around. I realize he will have this season, but we all know how it will go. It's not just us losing almost everyone and having minimal talent, it's also everyone else in the Big East getting much better. Reloading years for most Big East teams represent us at our best some years. It makes zero sense. If you don't see real consistent results with tons of talent and experience and get routinely blown out by frosh players with new coaches, you know something's broken. I also don't want to hire any former players with no coaching experience. We've already seen what no experience does. Maybe down the road but not now.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=334871][quote="P Simmons" post=334866][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334853][quote="Room112" post=334850][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

State school with major resources can attempt to do that. We can't even afford to buy out Mullin.[/quote]

Honestly I'm guessing that we can but choose not to especially after Slice fiasco. I know we have a reputation for being poor but we really aren't. We have a nice TV contract with FOX, we get tourney credits for Nova carrying us every year, we have record attendance, etc. You would think we had the budget of CW Post the way some people make it seem. Sure we can't match Alabama, but we surely aren't some no name mid major. We are somewhere in between. Not rich but upper middle class. If the big donors want influence, let them buy Mullin out and put their guy in.[/quote]

To buy out Mullin, you would need to get 40 donors in a room and have each of them shell out $100,000 for the sole purpose of getting Mullin out early. I don't see that happening. Far more likely, IMO, is that those donors take the approach that Mullin created this situation, let HIM pay the consequences for a year more. As much as we fans may hate it, I don't see one more bad year as permanently destroying the program's ability to resurrect itself moving forward. Plus, it gives Cragg another year to search for a solid replacement.[/quote]

Good post but 2 things:

1) you don't need 40 paying 100k each when you have some donors who see $2 million like it's a penny on the ground. Maybe 1 donor buys out $2 mil and the school eats the other $2 mil

2) this is all but admitting the program has been taken hostage and fans are forced to suffer. Just a shame all around. I realize he will have this season, but we all know how it will go. It's not just us losing almost everyone and having minimal talent, it's also everyone else in the Big East getting much better. Reloading years for most Big East teams represent us at our best some years. It makes zero sense. If you don't see real consistent results with tons of talent and experience and get routinely blown out by frosh players with new coaches, you know something's broken. I also don't want to hire any former players with no coaching experience. We've already seen what no experience does. Maybe down the road but not now.[/quote]

I feel your pain! If your benefactor is indeed willing to step up right now with a couple million, I'm sure Cragg will be all ears. But he also sounds like a thoughtful guy and his reputation is on the line with the next head coaching hire. (As is the entire program's.) He is just not going to rush into it, IMO.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=334871][quote="P Simmons" post=334866][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334853][quote="Room112" post=334850][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

State school with major resources can attempt to do that. We can't even afford to buy out Mullin.[/quote]

Honestly I'm guessing that we can but choose not to especially after Slice fiasco. I know we have a reputation for being poor but we really aren't. We have a nice TV contract with FOX, we get tourney credits for Nova carrying us every year, we have record attendance, etc. You would think we had the budget of CW Post the way some people make it seem. Sure we can't match Alabama, but we surely aren't some no name mid major. We are somewhere in between. Not rich but upper middle class. If the big donors want influence, let them buy Mullin out and put their guy in.[/quote]

To buy out Mullin, you would need to get 40 donors in a room and have each of them shell out $100,000 for the sole purpose of getting Mullin out early. I don't see that happening. Far more likely, IMO, is that those donors take the approach that Mullin created this situation, let HIM pay the consequences for a year more. As much as we fans may hate it, I don't see one more bad year as permanently destroying the program's ability to resurrect itself moving forward. Plus, it gives Cragg another year to search for a solid replacement.[/quote]

Good post but 2 things:

1) you don't need 40 paying 100k each when you have some donors who see $2 million like it's a penny on the ground. Maybe 1 donor buys out $2 mil and the school eats the other $2 mil

2) this is all but admitting the program has been taken hostage and fans are forced to suffer. Just a shame all around. I realize he will have this season, but we all know how it will go. It's not just us losing almost everyone and having minimal talent, it's also everyone else in the Big East getting much better. Reloading years for most Big East teams represent us at our best some years. It makes zero sense. If you don't see real consistent results with tons of talent and experience and get routinely blown out by frosh players with new coaches, you know something's broken. I also don't want to hire any former players with no coaching experience. We've already seen what no experience does. Maybe down the road but not now.[/quote]

The beginning of #2 is such a joke. Held hostage?? We just made the tournament and our babe Ruth is getting run out of town by you and the like! You mentioned a 10 year deal you would give Hurley or Oats. Bullshit! you would be begging for their removal the first time they lose a game they should win. You want to attract a good coach but you can’t even see the forrest through the trees. And again, you may not think CM is a good coach and I may agree with you but firing him right now is insanity!
 
[quote="fordham96" post=334805]TJ Otzelberger to UNLV? Per Rothstein. Interesting connection to Matt A. Was a top assistant to Fred Hoiberg at Iowa St along with Matt and more than Matt is credited with securing a lot of the key talent there. Left for Washington and Lorenzo Romar and was considered a top assistant. Then interestingly came back to Iowa St and Hoiberg in April of 2015 to replace Matt A who left for SJU but then Fred got the Bulls job. TJ stayed on for 1 season under Prohm before getting the South Dakota St job. Now after 3 years headed to Vegas:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1110709311859277829[/quote]

While there seems to be some interest in former NBAer Mike Miller, the new AD, who is under enormous pressure to get this right, apparently is intent on hiring a young head coach from a mid-major, which describes Otzelberger. Seven UNLV players have already are seeking to transfer.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=334871][quote="P Simmons" post=334866][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334853][quote="Room112" post=334850][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

State school with major resources can attempt to do that. We can't even afford to buy out Mullin.[/quote]

Honestly I'm guessing that we can but choose not to especially after Slice fiasco. I know we have a reputation for being poor but we really aren't. We have a nice TV contract with FOX, we get tourney credits for Nova carrying us every year, we have record attendance, etc. You would think we had the budget of CW Post the way some people make it seem. Sure we can't match Alabama, but we surely aren't some no name mid major. We are somewhere in between. Not rich but upper middle class. If the big donors want influence, let them buy Mullin out and put their guy in.[/quote]

To buy out Mullin, you would need to get 40 donors in a room and have each of them shell out $100,000 for the sole purpose of getting Mullin out early. I don't see that happening. Far more likely, IMO, is that those donors take the approach that Mullin created this situation, let HIM pay the consequences for a year more. As much as we fans may hate it, I don't see one more bad year as permanently destroying the program's ability to resurrect itself moving forward. Plus, it gives Cragg another year to search for a solid replacement.[/quote]

Good post but 2 things:

1) you don't need 40 paying 100k each when you have some donors who see $2 million like it's a penny on the ground. Maybe 1 donor buys out $2 mil and the school eats the other $2 mil

2) this is all but admitting the program has been taken hostage and fans are forced to suffer. Just a shame all around. I realize he will have this season, but we all know how it will go. It's not just us losing almost everyone and having minimal talent, it's also everyone else in the Big East getting much better. Reloading years for most Big East teams represent us at our best some years. It makes zero sense. If you don't see real consistent results with tons of talent and experience and get routinely blown out by frosh players with new coaches, you know something's broken. I also don't want to hire any former players with no coaching experience. We've already seen what no experience does. Maybe down the road but not now.[/quote]

You make the same points over and over again on every single post. The idea that this program has been taken hostage is just plain nonsense.
 
Hostage in the sense that we know it's not going to work out, but we are getting another year of it. We also haven't forced a change that was needed years ago to assistants. We also knew years ago we needed bigs and that never happened. We know what needs to be done but it's not being done. I'd say that's similar to holding a program hostage. Especially with rumors that the effort is minimal but Mullin still wants to coach here.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=334895]Hostage in the sense that we know it's not going to work out, but we are getting another year of it. We also haven't forced a change that was needed years ago to assistants. We also knew years ago we needed bigs and that never happened. We know what needs to be done but it's not being done. I'd say that's similar to holding a program hostage. Especially with rumors that the effort is minimal but Mullin still wants to coach here.[/quote]

I'm still waiting for Mullin to START coaching!
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=334895]Hostage in the sense that we know it's not going to work out, but we are getting another year of it. We also haven't forced a change that was needed years ago to assistants. We also knew years ago we needed bigs and that never happened. We know what needs to be done but it's not being done. I'd say that's similar to holding a program hostage. Especially with rumors that the effort is minimal but Mullin still wants to coach here.[/quote]
I trust Cragg has smarts to evaluate the program and make appropriate decisions. He is here a short time btw. Let’s see what he thinks. Our opinions are not going to move the needle anyway.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

How is that any different than what Cragg has been preaching? I missed him saying people should accept 8-10. Maybe you could provide a link?
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=334903][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

How is that any different than what Cragg has been preaching? I missed him saying people should accept 8-10. Maybe you could provide a link?[/quote]

Where did I say Cragg didn't say that?

I addressed certain posters who seem to have their expectations determined by recent lack of success and therefore we should not be upset about 1-17, 7-11, 4-14 and 8-10...
 
[quote="fordham96" post=334907][quote="IDRAFT" post=334903][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

How is that any different than what Cragg has been preaching? I missed him saying people should accept 8-10. Maybe you could provide a link?[/quote]

Where did I say Cragg didn't say that?

I addressed certain posters who seem to have their expectations determined by recent lack of success and therefore we should not be upset about 1-17, 7-11, 4-14 and 8-10...[/quote]

If anyone else was coach, there would likely be no effort to justify or excuse.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=334915][quote="fordham96" post=334907][quote="IDRAFT" post=334903][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

How is that any different than what Cragg has been preaching? I missed him saying people should accept 8-10. Maybe you could provide a link?[/quote]

Where did I say Cragg didn't say that?

I addressed certain posters who seem to have their expectations determined by recent lack of success and therefore we should not be upset about 1-17, 7-11, 4-14 and 8-10...[/quote]

If anyone else was coach, there would likely be no effort to justify or excuse.[/quote]

Who exactly is this directed at? I am on record as being unhappy with the seventh place finish. Just becuase some of us don't rehash the same complaints thirty times a day does not mean we don't have any complaints.
 
Sources: UNLV will hire South Dakota State's T.J. Otzelberger as its next head basketball coach. Official announcement expected soon.
Per Rothstein
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=334919][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334915][quote="fordham96" post=334907][quote="IDRAFT" post=334903][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

How is that any different than what Cragg has been preaching? I missed him saying people should accept 8-10. Maybe you could provide a link?[/quote]

Where did I say Cragg didn't say that?

I addressed certain posters who seem to have their expectations determined by recent lack of success and therefore we should not be upset about 1-17, 7-11, 4-14 and 8-10...[/quote]

If anyone else was coach, there would likely be no effort to justify or excuse.[/quote]

Who exactly is this directed at? I am on record as being unhappy with the seventh place finish. Just becuase some of us don't rehash the same complaints thirty times a day does not mean we don't have any complaints.[/quote]

I think I made that clear who it was direct at.

Also Moos' comments were made in the context of a coaching change (they had just announced Miles was being terminated). Cragg has not done that therefore I was not drawing a direct comparison.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=334923][quote="IDRAFT" post=334919][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334915][quote="fordham96" post=334907][quote="IDRAFT" post=334903][quote="fordham96" post=334827]What's interesting is to hear Bill Moos the Nebraska AD explain what he expects from his MBB program. He simply stated he expected them to compete for B10 titles. Nebraska has very little recent successful history like that, so what? Yet we're told that SJU recent history lends itself to simply accept an 8-10 season as successful...[/quote]

How is that any different than what Cragg has been preaching? I missed him saying people should accept 8-10. Maybe you could provide a link?[/quote]

Where did I say Cragg didn't say that?

I addressed certain posters who seem to have their expectations determined by recent lack of success and therefore we should not be upset about 1-17, 7-11, 4-14 and 8-10...[/quote]

If anyone else was coach, there would likely be no effort to justify or excuse.[/quote]

Who exactly is this directed at? I am on record as being unhappy with the seventh place finish. Just becuase some of us don't rehash the same complaints thirty times a day does not mean we don't have any complaints.[/quote]

I think I made that clear who it was direct at.

Also Moos' comments were made in the context of a coaching change (they had just announced Miles was being terminated). Cragg has not done that therefore I was not drawing a direct comparison.[/quote]

Yeah sorry, my second post was directed at Zaun as he was last to chime in. You have made it clear that you are comparing how the Nebraska AD feels to random posters on a message board. Got it now, thanks.
 
[quote="Las Vegan" post=334891]
While there seems to be some interest in former NBAer Mike Miller, the new AD, who is under enormous pressure to get this right, apparently is intent on hiring a young head coach from a mid-major, which describes Otzelberger. Seven UNLV players have already are seeking to transfer.[/quote]

From UNLV's standpoint, it seems like it would make more sense to go for Otzelberger and let Miller to try his hand at a mid-major first, especially since he's from South Dakota.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334898][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334895]Hostage in the sense that we know it's not going to work out, but we are getting another year of it. We also haven't forced a change that was needed years ago to assistants. We also knew years ago we needed bigs and that never happened. We know what needs to be done but it's not being done. I'd say that's similar to holding a program hostage. Especially with rumors that the effort is minimal but Mullin still wants to coach here.[/quote]
I trust Cragg has smarts to evaluate the program and make appropriate decisions. He is here a short time btw. Let’s see what he thinks. Our opinions are not going to move the needle anyway.[/quote]

Well said, Paultz. I'm as guilty as anybody in terms of venting my frustrations, but at the end of the day nobody knows what Cragg is thinking right now. Maybe he's a fan of Mullin and thinks a few staff tweaks will do the trick. Maybe he doesn't think Mullin is the right man for the job, but he's handcuffed from making a change until after 2019-'20. Right now, none of us know and none of us seemingly have any power to change it. I guess just let it play out and hope for the best.

I mean, let's be honest for a second. We haven't seen an NCAA Tournament win in close to 20 years. Is another year really going to make a difference at this point?
 
A lot of venting toward people who are passionate SJU fans, by passionate SJU fans. The process will run its course. This is like watching water boil. Impatience, by us, will not speed the process.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334921]Sources: UNLV will hire South Dakota State's T.J. Otzelberger as its next head basketball coach. Official announcement expected soon.
Per Rothstein[/quote]

Official...
 
[quote="fordham96" post=334948][quote="Paultzman" post=334921]Sources: UNLV will hire South Dakota State's T.J. Otzelberger as its next head basketball coach. Official announcement expected soon.
Per Rothstein[/quote]

Official...[/quote]

Very good hire.

Maybe Matt will try to play TJ and Fred off each other to extract $500,000.01 from a school instead of $500,000, only to have it backfire and come back to us right when a whole bunch of quality transfers are popping up.
 
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