2019-20

[quote="fordham96" post=335011][quote="Marillac" post=335006][quote="L J S A" post=334942][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=334936]I cannot understand anyone thinking St. John’s is in position to fire CM after making the tournament in his 4th year with SJU knowing full well when he was hired that he wasn’t a day one fix.[/quote]

My concern is that this past year is the best it will get. I'd be shocked if Matt doesn't leave and I'm expecting a mass exodus.

We need two recruiters, preferably at least one of them with X's and O's acumen. I unfortunately don't trust Mullin to make the correct hires.

I think the money can be found for a "mutual" parting. I'm just not sure the political will exists outside of Cragg, so don't want to get my hopes up.

I can live with a Mullin/ex-coach like Rice (but know it won't be him)/Rasheen Davis/GSJ combo for next year. But Mullin/Richmond/GSJ/Tim Hardaway next season looks like a seven-man roster to me. And a pathetic win total.

I know posters are hoping Heron returns. I don't think he does unless Mullin is back in Danville, Calif.[/quote]

The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

And yet according to you repeated several times SJU was set to make a UCONN 2011 like run to the Final Four. Especially if they matched up with overrated Virginia right?[/quote]

Exactly how many times are you going to post the same drivel?

I said we didn’t have as much talent as UConn but I thought we’d peak late if we checked some boxes along the way. We didn’t.

I evaluate with the evidence available to me at the time. After seeing how physically outclassed Heron was by Dort and how nobody on our roster was in the same world as Cheatham my opinion changed.
 
SJU was never ever capable of making any type of run this year similar to 2011 UCONN and any serious person would know that.
You cannot be taken seriously when you say SJU matches up with Virginia, they do not.
It is not about being wrong. Anybody can be wrong making predictions it is saying things so completely detached from reality and then trying to justify them later that makes it impossible to take you serious.
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=335002]https://twitter.com/VIDSIG/status/1110967352005320704

I actually think this is a good sign. Maybe CM, and Coach Mitch can now use video chat to talk to recruits since they can't be bothered to attend their games.

In all seriousness though this is bad optics. To do this while other coaches including some in our conference are already scouring the transfer market. Just dumbfounded.[/quote]

This is laughable.
The Board is up to its collective eyeballs in angst while simultaneously foaming at its collective mouth fearing the worst about roster turnover (upheaval?) and having nightmares about bringing Louie back to recruit and Chris & Mitch are waxing poetic about the ‘glory days’ of the RUNTMC Warriors.
Unbelievable.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=335013][quote="fordham96" post=335011][quote="Marillac" post=335006][quote="L J S A" post=334942][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=334936]I cannot understand anyone thinking St. John’s is in position to fire CM after making the tournament in his 4th year with SJU knowing full well when he was hired that he wasn’t a day one fix.[/quote]

My concern is that this past year is the best it will get. I'd be shocked if Matt doesn't leave and I'm expecting a mass exodus.

We need two recruiters, preferably at least one of them with X's and O's acumen. I unfortunately don't trust Mullin to make the correct hires.

I think the money can be found for a "mutual" parting. I'm just not sure the political will exists outside of Cragg, so don't want to get my hopes up.

I can live with a Mullin/ex-coach like Rice (but know it won't be him)/Rasheen Davis/GSJ combo for next year. But Mullin/Richmond/GSJ/Tim Hardaway next season looks like a seven-man roster to me. And a pathetic win total.

I know posters are hoping Heron returns. I don't think he does unless Mullin is back in Danville, Calif.[/quote]

The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

And yet according to you repeated several times SJU was set to make a UCONN 2011 like run to the Final Four. Especially if they matched up with overrated Virginia right?[/quote]

Exactly how many times are you going to post the same drivel?

I said we didn’t have as much talent as UConn but I thought we’d peak late if we checked some boxes along the way. We didn’t.

I evaluate with the evidence available to me at the time. After seeing how physically outclassed Heron was by Dort and how nobody on our roster was in the same world as Cheatham my opinion changed.[/quote]
So you change your prediction after seeing the game play out. :lol:
 
[quote="Marillac" post=335006]The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

The problem is that even if those holes are plugged, new ones will open. I don't think next year tops this year's win total. Recruiting will die a quick death with Matt leaving, and I don't think it recovers quickly enough under Mullin that we'd win 20 again with him.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=335016]SJU was never ever capable of making any type of run this year similar to 2011 UCONN and any serious person would know that.
You cannot be taken seriously when you say SJU matches up with Virginia, they do not.
It is not about being wrong. Anybody can be wrong making predictions it is saying things so completely detached from reality and then trying to justify them later that makes it impossible to take you serious.[/quote]

Get lost.
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=335002]https://twitter.com/VIDSIG/status/1110967352005320704

I actually think this is a good sign. Maybe CM, and Coach Mitch can now use video chat to talk to recruits since they can't be bothered to attend their games.

In all seriousness though this is bad optics. To do this while other coaches including some in our conference are already scouring the transfer market. Just dumbfounded.[/quote]

So instead of talking to transfers he’s doing NBA events

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[quote="L J S A" post=335020][quote="Marillac" post=335006]The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

The problem is that even if those holes are plugged, new ones will open. I don't think next year tops this year's win total. Recruiting will die a quick death with Matt leaving, and I don't think it recovers quickly enough under Mullin that we'd win 20 again with him.[/quote]

Matt leaving may be the best thing to happen for this program. It would force everyone's hand.
Transfer U has been an abject failure. Through the class of 2019 you just have to look at our high school recruiting to see we have had the worst track record with prep school players.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=335024][quote="L J S A" post=335020][quote="Marillac" post=335006]The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

The problem is that even if those holes are plugged, new ones will open. I don't think next year tops this year's win total. Recruiting will die a quick death with Matt leaving, and I don't think it recovers quickly enough under Mullin that we'd win 20 again with him.[/quote]

Matt leaving may be the best thing to happen for this program. It would force everyone's hand.
Transfer U has been an abject failure. Through the class of 2019 you just have to look at our high school recruiting to see we have had the worst track record with prep school players.[/quote]

It's not focusing on transfers that is a failure it is focusing on the wrong transfers. Apparently after they don't produce suddenly it means SJU got the wrong ones. Pretty neat and convenient right? So hopefully after Matt leaves Mitch will get the focus on evaluating the right transfers...
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It’s not even the transfers. There was some talent here. Matt is hamstrung recruiting-wise by the head coach too. We are also recruiting with only one guy in the road when most teams have three. We didn’t compete down the stretch this season because our coaching was an absolute joke. No our guys didn’t execute, but much of that was due to constant confusion on what to do in game situations. This isn’t gonna get better with Mullin here. Too many broken parts with respect to both coaching and recruiting.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=335026][quote="Class of 72" post=335024][quote="L J S A" post=335020][quote="Marillac" post=335006]The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

The problem is that even if those holes are plugged, new ones will open. I don't think next year tops this year's win total. Recruiting will die a quick death with Matt leaving, and I don't think it recovers quickly enough under Mullin that we'd win 20 again with him.[/quote]

Matt leaving may be the best thing to happen for this program. It would force everyone's hand.
Transfer U has been an abject failure. Through the class of 2019 you just have to look at our high school recruiting to see we have had the worst track record with prep school players.[/quote]

It's not focusing on transfers that is a failure it is focusing on the wrong transfers. Apparently after they don't produce suddenly it means SJU got the wrong ones. Pretty neat and convenient right? So hopefully after Matt leaves Mitch will get the focus on evaluating the right transfers...
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The problem I have with Matt's transfers is regardless of high school rank they all underperformed at their first stop. When you look at the devolution of a very good player like Mustapha Heron it gets more troubling. When you look at the lack of growth in players like Clark, Trimble, and the freshmen along with the slide downward for Shamorie you realize the problem is much bigger than just Matt.
Having lost out on every major recruiting target over the past two years and settling for transfers of questionable value is on the entire staff.
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=335002]https://twitter.com/VIDSIG/status/1110967352005320704

I actually think this is a good sign. Maybe CM, and Coach Mitch can now use video chat to talk to recruits since they can't be bothered to attend their games.

In all seriousness though this is bad optics. To do this while other coaches including some in our conference are already scouring the transfer market. Just dumbfounded.[/quote]

The VIDSIG Twitter account only has 45 followers and their IG account has 600+. Lol. I assume staff must be doing this for $$$, but if you have to at least try to do something that gets a little exposure. This is annoying to see when other coaches are doing their jobs.
 
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[quote="L J S A" post=335020][quote="Marillac" post=335006]The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

The problem is that even if those holes are plugged, new ones will open. I don't think next year tops this year's win total. Recruiting will die a quick death with Matt leaving, and I don't think it recovers quickly enough under Mullin that we'd win 20 again with him.[/quote]

You nailed it LJSA. We’ll have nada as in zero/no recruiters as the Grad Transfer market launches and nobody to woo the remaining HS or JUCO kids still available.
By the time, we’ve replaced Matt the better Grad Transfers and JUCOs will have committed to the schools honing their lists as we speak.
Tough days for St. John’s hoops lie ahead.
We’ll root through it but it’ll be challenging times.
But oh boy, if we only had a plan and executed it.
Oh well.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=335029][quote="fordham96" post=335026][quote="Class of 72" post=335024][quote="L J S A" post=335020][quote="Marillac" post=335006]The best we can get? We had a 6’7 jump shooter playing center. We didn’t have a PF or C that could rebound or defend bigs. We didn’t have a capable second ball-handler. We didn’t have great individual defenders.

Surely we can improve by closing some of those gaping holes.[/quote]

The problem is that even if those holes are plugged, new ones will open. I don't think next year tops this year's win total. Recruiting will die a quick death with Matt leaving, and I don't think it recovers quickly enough under Mullin that we'd win 20 again with him.[/quote]

Matt leaving may be the best thing to happen for this program. It would force everyone's hand.
Transfer U has been an abject failure. Through the class of 2019 you just have to look at our high school recruiting to see we have had the worst track record with prep school players.[/quote]

It's not focusing on transfers that is a failure it is focusing on the wrong transfers. Apparently after they don't produce suddenly it means SJU got the wrong ones. Pretty neat and convenient right? So hopefully after Matt leaves Mitch will get the focus on evaluating the right transfers...
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The problem I have with Matt's transfers is regardless of high school rank they all underperformed at their first stop. When you look at the devolution of a very good player like Mustapha Heron it gets more troubling. When you look at the lack of growth in players like Clark, Trimble, and the freshmen along with the slide downward for Shamorie you realize the problem is much bigger than just Matt.
Having lost out on every major recruiting target over the past two years and settling for transfers of questionable value is on the entire staff.[/quote]

The strategy is flawed. SJU is not getting a Dedric Lawson (stud recruit along with brother who was basically a can't miss future NBA prospect who had a big freshman year at Memphis and transfers to Kansas). They aren't getting that kind of transfer. Unless they are lucky or have a direct connection, ie Heron. Their transfers will fall into 2 categories, both of whom have high risks:

1)Transfers from high major programs who have done little or nothing up to that point in turns of productivity: Tariq Owens, Justin Simon, Marvin Clark, Eli Wright, Sedee Keita, Ian Steere etc.. or
2)Transfers from low D-1 schools who have been productive but no one knows if they can hack it on a much bigger stage: Caraher ( Houston Baptist), Mikey Dixon (Quinnipiac).

Outside of Heron they have not landed the very productive kid from a high major who you know has a lot of suitors. Say a Kira Lewis from Alabama this year as an example. With that strategy Matt has done pretty good. It is not fair to expect him to land big time productive transfers every time. That is why it is not the kids it is the strategy that needs to be fixed. How about only focusing on a 1 or 2 transfers including a decent grad transfer that can supplement a good roster. Then focus overall on landing quality 3 and 4 star high school kids. That combination over a 3-4 year period with the right staff can win in this league. But their staff is flawed and the strategy is a direct result of this and then you get a flawed roster made up of transfers and low major HS recruits. And now Matt has probably 1 foot out the door....if you want to keep this strategy who in the hell are you going to bring in that has the ties to the transfer market now?
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=335035]And now Matt has probably 1 foot out the door[/quote]

Once I saw the huge list of suitors for Kira and Matt's name not on it, it cemented for me that he has two feet out the door. He's not even recruiting for us anymore.
 
I have no idea whether Matt's leaving or not. But, I am sure Matt decided long ago. Nebraska probably reached out to Hioberg two months ago.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=335039][quote="fordham96" post=335035]And now Matt has probably 1 foot out the door[/quote]

Once I saw the huge list of suitors for Kira and Matt's name not on it, it cemented for me that he has two feet out the door. He's not even recruiting for us anymore.[/quote]

If I thought Matt leaving would lead to a total transformation of both the staff and strategy I would be optimistic. But I don't think it will. From what I hear it is totally dysfunctional.

But hey Mitch has a computer, the portal is just a click away...
 
Our coaches talking about the NBA and how great things were 25-30 years ago while others are out recruiting for their COLLEGE basketball team. If there was ever another shred of evidence to show that Mullin and Mitch just don't seem to give a crap or take their jobs too seriously, it's this. We are paying legit coach money for no show coaches. It's that simple. It's a paycheck to them. As a program, Mullin has pushed every wrong button he possibly could right up until now. He's literally doing the polar opposite of what it takes to be a successful coach.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=335041][quote="L J S A" post=335039][quote="fordham96" post=335035]And now Matt has probably 1 foot out the door[/quote]

Once I saw the huge list of suitors for Kira and Matt's name not on it, it cemented for me that he has two feet out the door. He's not even recruiting for us anymore.[/quote]

If I thought Matt leaving would lead to a total transformation of both the staff and strategy I would be optimistic. But I don't think it will. From what I hear it is totally dysfunctional.

But hey Mitch has a computer, the portal is just a click away...[/quote]

I think after 4 years the Mitch Richmond value has run its course. He was here for player development. Clark, Ponds, Heron, Trimble, Keita............case closed.
 
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One last thing on transfer and strategy. I am still not 100% convinced on Ewing yet.

But his strategy is good. Again overwhelmingly building with solid 3-4 star kids and trying to go after the occasional stud, Cole Anthony. And oh when goes after a transfer, a very productive high major kid named Omer Yurevsten, not a lot of risk with that kid. Now he has to win so we'll see. But that is where SJU needed to be LAST year let alone THIS year....
 
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