2019-20

[quote="Marillac" post=334688]I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. I think he’ll be the best newcomer in the Big East.

I’m convinced that Dixon was sacrificed for Steere when the staff realized how bad Keita was on and off the court. That transaction can’t be fully evaluated for at least another year. If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked.

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. I’d be more surprised than him leaving than anything that has occurred here in the last decade and that’s really saying something.

Caraher could end up surprising some people. I watched a whole game of his against an ACC team (I think Va Tech) on YouTube and he wasn’t a defensive liability. He was a skilled kid with a high IQ and good strength. Besides the hops and + 30 lbs he is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. 12-14 minutes unlike our more recent players with his skin pigment.

I expect Heron to return.

We need to be active in what looks to be the best graduate transfer class yet.[/quote]

If Ponds leaves and Heron returns, we are at the scholarship limit of 13
There will need to be some movement out if we are to enter the graduate transfer market
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=334704][quote="Marillac" post=334688]I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. I think he’ll be the best newcomer in the Big East.

I’m convinced that Dixon was sacrificed for Steere when the staff realized how bad Keita was on and off the court. That transaction can’t be fully evaluated for at least another year. If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked.

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. I’d be more surprised than him leaving than anything that has occurred here in the last decade and that’s really saying something.

Caraher could end up surprising some people. I watched a whole game of his against an ACC team (I think Va Tech) on YouTube and he wasn’t a defensive liability. He was a skilled kid with a high IQ and good strength. Besides the hops and + 30 lbs he is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. 12-14 minutes unlike our more recent players with his skin pigment.

I expect Heron to return.

We need to be active in what looks to be the best graduate transfer class yet.[/quote]

If Ponds leaves and Heron returns, we are at the scholarship limit of 13
There will need to be some movement out if we are to enter the graduate transfer market[/quote]

I do not believe we have to worry about scholarships being available. There is a very high chance that there will be other departures.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=334688]I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. ...

If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked. ...

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. ...

Caraher could end up surprising some people. ... [H]e is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good, but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. ...

I expect Heron to return. ...[/quote]
There sure are a lot of qualifiers in that assessment.
 
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[quote="Manhattan1" post=334701]We need to start building a program and culture. The transfer system is not the way to do so. It is alright here and there but they need to start focusing on some High School players who will be around 3-4 years.[/quote]

More than 40% of high school recruits transfer by their soph season and that # will only rise. Clark was here for three years and Simon will be beginning his fourth with the team next season. They are both excellent representatives of the program. 3/6 of Texas Tech’s leading scorers are transfers this year and last year.

I’ll take talent wherever we can get it. I’d prefer us to stock up on top 100 high school kids, but I just don’t see that as probable right now.

Who wouldn’t take 3 years from a kid like Figueroa over a typical high school kid ranked 80-100?
 
[quote="Marillac" post=334711][quote="Manhattan1" post=334701]We need to start building a program and culture. The transfer system is not the way to do so. It is alright here and there but they need to start focusing on some High School players who will be around 3-4 years.[/quote]

More than 40% of high school recruits transfer by their soph season and that # will only rise. Clark was here for three years and Simon will be beginning his fourth with the team next season. They are both excellent representatives of the program. 3/6 of Texas Tech’s leading scorers are transfers this year and last year.

I’ll take talent wherever we can get it. I’d prefer us to stock up on top 100 high school kids, but I just don’t see that as probable right now.

Who wouldn’t take 3 years from a kid like Figueroa over a typical high school kid ranked 80-100?[/quote]

I have no problem with JUCOs. My problem lies with mixing many sit out transfers and immediate eligible ones.
 
[quote="redken" post=334707][quote="Marillac" post=334688]I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. ...

If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked. ...

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. ...

Caraher could end up surprising some people. ... [H]e is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good, but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. ...

I expect Heron to return. ...[/quote]
There sure are a lot of qualifiers in that assessment.[/quote]

I count one...Wright shooting a respectable %. Even if there were more, this is St. John’s. Things have a way of not working out.

There are several scenarios where I could see us being much better than this past season. There are obviously some where we can be worse as well.
 
[quote="Moose" post=334714][quote="Marillac" post=334711][quote="Manhattan1" post=334701]We need to start building a program and culture. The transfer system is not the way to do so. It is alright here and there but they need to start focusing on some High School players who will be around 3-4 years.[/quote]

More than 40% of high school recruits transfer by their soph season and that # will only rise. Clark was here for three years and Simon will be beginning his fourth with the team next season. They are both excellent representatives of the program. 3/6 of Texas Tech’s leading scorers are transfers this year and last year.

I’ll take talent wherever we can get it. I’d prefer us to stock up on top 100 high school kids, but I just don’t see that as probable right now.

Who wouldn’t take 3 years from a kid like Figueroa over a typical high school kid ranked 80-100?[/quote]

I have no problem with JUCOs. My problem lies with mixing many sit out transfers and immediate eligible ones.[/quote]

Ideally the sit and play transfers should be limited to 1 a season with an absolute cap at 2 for the right guys (not Keita and Dixon).

I like going after immediately eligible grad transfers with two years and JUCOs with three. Even better if the jucos have some D-1 experience and a suitable reason for transferring like LJ.

We just have to make sure the transfers are all quality players. No more MAAC players. No more unproven raw centers.
 
Ironically if Heron and Simon returns, we might be good. We should have more depth, some bigs, and hopefully better chemistry. Our 2 biggest recruits. And if by some miracle Ponds returns also, Having no scholys available is a quality problem.
 
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=334725]Ironically if Heron and Simon returns, we might be good. We should have more depth, some bigs, and hopefully better chemistry. Our 2 biggest recruits.[/quote]

Funny thing, as I said y'day, this is the Board of 'senses', 'we shall sees', 'tea leaves' and lemme add 'hope'.
Let's hope all the variables dangling in the air currently break the right way for us at the end of the day.
 
Expecting staff turnover and roster fallout shortly. Would not be penciling in all the key guys being bandied about for next season.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334729]Expecting staff turnover and roster fallout shortly. Would not be penciling in all the key guys being bandied about for next season.[/quote] I guess Matt is gone.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334729]Expecting staff turnover and roster fallout shortly. Would not be penciling in all the key guys being bandied about for next season.[/quote]

What else is new?
 
SJU Grad13 wrote: Boy, a lot of you guys keep penciling in Simon coming back. You guys are setting yourself up to be heartbroken.

Not really. Just grasping at the straw of positive thinking because it's the only straw I have left to grasp at with this program....
 
Talking about the roster doesn't matter when you have the worst coaching staff in the conference. You may see a ray of light with a poor coaching staff as long as they have sufficient talent, but it won't be sustainable and that ray of light will dim rather quickly.

My point is: I don't care if eveyone returns with this coaching staff in place. Give me 3 new assistant coaches or a total new staff period.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=334718][quote="redken" post=334707][quote="Marillac" post=334688]I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. ...

If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked. ...

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. ...

Caraher could end up surprising some people. ... [H]e is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good, but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. ...

I expect Heron to return. ...[/quote]
There sure are a lot of qualifiers in that assessment.[/quote]

I count one...Wright shooting a respectable %. Even if there were more, this is St. John’s. Things have a way of not working out.

There are several scenarios where I could see us being much better than this past season. There are obviously some where we can be worse as well.[/quote]
Hoping I don't sound like I'm rattling your cage, but you might want to take a recount of those qualifiers.
Wright: If his shot falls ...
Stere: If he's instantly the best man in Mullin's tenure ...
Caraher: Could end up surprising some people ...
Plus, you're expecting Simon and Heron to both be factors -- if Simon doesn't abandon the team, that is, and if Heron returns, as you expect him to. (I have to say I'm not so sure about Heron returning. I'm told there was a lot of turbulence behind the scenes involving him in the latter part of the season. Well know soon enough.)
Nevertheless, I agree with your summing up: There are several scenarios where we could be better than this past season, but there are obviously some where we can be worse as well.
 
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[quote="redken" post=334749][quote="Marillac" post=334718][quote="redken" post=334707][quote="Marillac" post=334688]I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. ...

If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked. ...

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. ...

Caraher could end up surprising some people. ... [H]e is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good, but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. ...

I expect Heron to return. ...[/quote]
There sure are a lot of qualifiers in that assessment.[/quote]

I count one...Wright shooting a respectable %. Even if there were more, this is St. John’s. Things have a way of not working out.

There are several scenarios where I could see us being much better than this past season. There are obviously some where we can be worse as well.[/quote]
Hoping I don't sound like I'm rattling your cage, but you might want to take a recount of those qualifiers.
Wright: (If his shot falls ...
Stere: If he's instantly the best man in Mullin's tenure ...
Caraher: Could end up surprising some people ...
Plus, you're expecting Simon and Heron to both be factors -- if Simon doesn't abandon the team, that is, and if Heron returns, as you expect him to. (I have to say I'm not so sure about Heron returning. I'm told there was a lot of turbulence behind the scenes involving him in the latter part of the season. Well know soon enough.)
Nevertheless, I agree with your summing up: There are several scenarios where we could be better than this past season, but there are obviously some where we can be worse as well.[/quote]

Transfer U built on a lot of maybes, ifs and "We hope..." after 4 years of league records below .500 and the one staff guy who actually recruits has 1 foot out the door.

A recipe for success...

I know I would have signed up for that 4 years ago....
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334729]Expecting staff turnover and roster fallout shortly. Would not be penciling in all the key guys being bandied about for next season.[/quote]

So if you had to make your best guess based on what you're hearing, is it Matt, Ponds, Heron and Simon all gone and Nate Tabor withdraws commitment? I have no info but the long-suffering Johnnies fan in me is telling me that's what it's going to be. And maybe even a wild card departure that we're not expecting. That would definitely be St. John's normal. Any more light you can shed?
 
[quote="Marillac" post=334711][quote="Manhattan1" post=334701]We need to start building a program and culture. The transfer system is not the way to do so. It is alright here and there but they need to start focusing on some High School players who will be around 3-4 years.[/quote]

More than 40% of high school recruits transfer by their soph season and that # will only rise. Clark was here for three years and Simon will be beginning his fourth with the team next season. They are both excellent representatives of the program. 3/6 of Texas Tech’s leading scorers are transfers this year and last year.

Whatever it is you needs to be here for more then a year or two. Constant turnover is not good.

I’ll take talent wherever we can get it. I’d prefer us to stock up on top 100 high school kids, but I just don’t see that as probable right now.

Who wouldn’t take 3 years from a kid like Figueroa over a typical high school kid ranked 80-100?[/quote]
 
All of this leading to the same conclusion. Mullin has to go.. SJU isn’t no on a low note with some talent in place. Move this thing along with a top notch coach and try to keep this roster together a bit. Our fan support at msg was amazing this year in terms of numbers. Hungry fan base. Don’t let that momentum die. Cut any losses and move on.
 
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