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[quote="ErickTheRed" post=334409]See ya, don’t care. He was brought in to recruit he got some transfers desperate to prove themselves and failed. That along w recruiting a cross dresser criminal and trying to flirt w LSU and complete lack of coaching he can go. We can under achieve without him[/quote]
Agreed but all of this reflects on the HC.
The staff and recruiting have been a total mess for awhile. That is why it pissed me off that so many people defended the transfers when it was clear that the strategy was not working and was being done in a piss poor manner. The signs were there for a few years. The Zach Brown recruitment was an embarrassment. I am in favor of blowing this whole thing up and starting over. So you can blame Matt for this stuff and I agree his worth is a bit overrated but the bottom line is the buck stops with the HC and his mismanaging of the staff and recruiting has been obvious for some of us for awhile.
Agreed but all of this reflects on the HC.
The staff and recruiting have been a total mess for awhile. That is why it pissed me off that so many people defended the transfers when it was clear that the strategy was not working and was being done in a piss poor manner. The signs were there for a few years. The Zach Brown recruitment was an embarrassment. I am in favor of blowing this whole thing up and starting over. So you can blame Matt for this stuff and I agree his worth is a bit overrated but the bottom line is the buck stops with the HC and his mismanaging of the staff and recruiting has been obvious for some of us for awhile.
I believe Matt will stay and there are 3 main reasons, he's an alumni of the school, supposedly loves CM and his family is home and OH yeah die hard Met's fan, so that is 4 reasons! Praying im right on this or were in big trouble!!!!!!
L J S A
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[quote="Tommy O 54" post=334439]I believe Matt will stay and there are 3 main reasons, he's an alumni of the school, supposedly loves CM and his family is home and OH yeah die hard Met's fan, so that is 4 reasons! Praying im right on this or were in big trouble!!!!!![/quote]
Praying's not going to cut it.
Praying's not going to cut it.
RedStormRising
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Look at it from Matt's prospective, he is not going to be a head coach. So his choices are to stay with a program with a HC on the hottest seat in the world or to go to a new program where the HC will get at least 4 years. Oh and he'll probably get a raise. Seems like a no brainer to me.
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=334498]Look at it from Matt's prospective, he is not going to be a head coach. So his choices are to stay with a program with a HC on the hottest seat in the world or to go to a new program where the HC will get at least 4 years. Oh and he'll probably get a raise. Seems like a no brainer to me.[/quote]
Also he probably trusts Hoiberg can create a consistent winning team better than Mully. He was there when he made 4 NCAAs in 5 years.
As a recruiter, you wanna be in a situation where you know if you can do your job and get the players, the head coach will turn those players into a good TEAM and create a winner
Also he probably trusts Hoiberg can create a consistent winning team better than Mully. He was there when he made 4 NCAAs in 5 years.
As a recruiter, you wanna be in a situation where you know if you can do your job and get the players, the head coach will turn those players into a good TEAM and create a winner
L J S A
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[quote="fordham96" post=334430][I am in favor of blowing this whole thing up and starting over. So you can blame Matt for this stuff and I agree his worth is a bit overrated but the bottom line is the buck stops with the HC and his mismanaging of the staff and recruiting has been obvious for some of us for awhile.[/quote]
I think we have to. I just can't trust Mullin to make the right decision regarding replacing Matt and sending Mitch off into retirement. It would be nice if the people in power who are nostalgic for the good old days could see that this is the pinnacle of the Mullin era. If this is worth $2 million to them, there's really not much more to be said.
I think we have to. I just can't trust Mullin to make the right decision regarding replacing Matt and sending Mitch off into retirement. It would be nice if the people in power who are nostalgic for the good old days could see that this is the pinnacle of the Mullin era. If this is worth $2 million to them, there's really not much more to be said.
The next hire, and it’s going to happen whether or not it’s this year, is going to be Cragg’s legacy. I’m sure he’s gonna wanna get the next one right. I’m looking forward to seeing what he can put together without the foolish leadership at SJU trying to go on the cheap or make legacy hires etc. I’d rather it happen sooner rather than later. It’s gonna be a rough year or two, especially if Matt leaves.
Look at our Garden attendance for games this season, and tell me this isn’t a juggernaut waiting to take off. This is not nearly as bad of a job as people say. What has made it bad is incompetence of bad administrators trying to be Penny-wise and pound foolish. Making stupid decisions without an AD, and running the mom and pop show for decades.
I’m hoping that with a real AD, that is changing. I think he SJU job can be fantastic for a good coach that knows NYC and how to build this thing. The garden is waiting to be filled as it was this season.
Look at our Garden attendance for games this season, and tell me this isn’t a juggernaut waiting to take off. This is not nearly as bad of a job as people say. What has made it bad is incompetence of bad administrators trying to be Penny-wise and pound foolish. Making stupid decisions without an AD, and running the mom and pop show for decades.
I’m hoping that with a real AD, that is changing. I think he SJU job can be fantastic for a good coach that knows NYC and how to build this thing. The garden is waiting to be filled as it was this season.
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If Chris is going to stay, his best play is to meet with Matt and offer him $500K out of his own pocket (in addition to Matt's contract). So he gets $1.5 mil instead of $2 mil.
Chris is the one who made Matt indispensable, so he can pay the price.
Chris is the one who made Matt indispensable, so he can pay the price.
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Ray Morgan
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Between the depleted roster and the possible departure of Matt, it sure seems like Mullin has the perfect exit strategy, with the perfect back story. He came to restore credibility, the team improved every year, they filled the garden and made the dance, and he did it with quality kids and a clean recruiting program. He needs to spend more time out west than the job allows, and to be fair to his family and St. John's basketball, he has to leave the program to someone who can build on his success. Probably not going to happen, but it seems like a better time to go than after the possibility of 3 wins in conference next season.
[quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.
rawdognyc
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=334538][quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.
[quote="rawdognyc" post=334540][quote="JohnnyFan" post=334538][quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.
boo haarvey
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[quote="Paultzman" post=334541][quote="rawdognyc" post=334540][quote="JohnnyFan" post=334538][quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.[/quote]
On whose end, Rice or Mullin?
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.[/quote]
On whose end, Rice or Mullin?
rawdognyc
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[quote="Paultzman" post=334541][quote="rawdognyc" post=334540][quote="JohnnyFan" post=334538][quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.[/quote]
That depresses me. It's actually what I was really hoping for this summer. Where do we turn it Matt leaves and Chris stays? Kind of bummed out, I guess it is what it is and just have to wait and see.
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.[/quote]
That depresses me. It's actually what I was really hoping for this summer. Where do we turn it Matt leaves and Chris stays? Kind of bummed out, I guess it is what it is and just have to wait and see.
[quote="rawdognyc" post=334547][quote="Paultzman" post=334541][quote="rawdognyc" post=334540][quote="JohnnyFan" post=334538][quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.[/quote]
That depresses me. It's actually what I was really hoping for this summer. Where do we turn it Matt leaves and Chris stays?.[/quote]
Maybe it has happened before, but I am certainly not aware of it. I am referring to a college basketball program's fate being more dependent on an assistant coach than on the head coach. What a dysfunctional mess.
I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]
I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.[/quote]
That depresses me. It's actually what I was really hoping for this summer. Where do we turn it Matt leaves and Chris stays?.[/quote]
Maybe it has happened before, but I am certainly not aware of it. I am referring to a college basketball program's fate being more dependent on an assistant coach than on the head coach. What a dysfunctional mess.
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I feel for Tim Miles. This has been the worst kept secret and now they continue to let him twist in the wind.
[URL]https://www.klkntv.com/story/40192106/tim-miles-job-status-remains-in-question[/URL]][URL]https://www.klkntv.com/story/40192106/tim-miles-job-status-remains-in-question[/URL][/url]
[URL]https://www.klkntv.com/story/40192106/tim-miles-job-status-remains-in-question[/URL]][URL]https://www.klkntv.com/story/40192106/tim-miles-job-status-remains-in-question[/URL][/url]
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