2019-20

[quote="JohnnyFan" post=334561][quote="rawdognyc" post=334547][quote="Paultzman" post=334541][quote="rawdognyc" post=334540][quote="JohnnyFan" post=334538][quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]

I think we are past Mike Rice now. That said, even if we did hire him, you still need another recruiter. Otherwise we would just be repeating the same mistake.[/quote]

I'm thinking (hoping) that if Matt leaves it forces their hand into bringing Rice on board. What other coach is available that is tied into the local scene like Rice is? I agree we also need another coach either way. Mitch is taking up space in his current role. The original role he had was better suited for whatever the hell he does. So keep him on staff as special adviser and bring in 2 coaches that recruit. One needs to have some basketball acumen though.[/quote]
Forget Rice, would not happen.[/quote]

That depresses me. It's actually what I was really hoping for this summer. Where do we turn it Matt leaves and Chris stays?.[/quote]

Maybe it has happened before, but I am certainly not aware of it. I am referring to a college basketball program's fate being more dependent on an assistant coach than on the head coach. What a dysfunctional mess.[/quote]

Losing Matt would suck, losing all the players would suck, but the thing I want to see, if all this happens, is what the head of sju will do.
Will they get a new coach for the rebuild or keep will they keep Mullin for a rebuild in year 5? I'm in no mood to hear about oh they won't eat 2 years on his contract, it's only gonna be worse then this year. we know a coaching change is gonna happen so why put it off a year?
 
[quote="ErickTheRed" post=334574]Off topic, but kinda on topic....can someone list ooc schedule/tourneys for next year.[/quote]

St. Francis, Monmouth, NJIT, C.W. Post, Wagner, Columbia, Binghamton, Fairfield, the Peach Fuzz Classic against Savannah State and Georgia State College. No Duke but Nebraska visits Carnesecca Arena with Fred Hoiberg and his top recruiter Matt Abdelmassey Jones.
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=334536]If Matt goes I really think they need to go all in on Rice. Great recruiter with ties to so many local recruits in the metro area. To me it's a no brainier. Plus unlike Matt, he knows how to coach as well. The time is now for some Rice[/quote]

Do we have to do 'deja vu all over again' as Yogi would say?!?
Didn't we find out at the end of that torturous and tortuous process that the SJU 'Administration' nixed on Rice because of his past anger episodes?
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334570][quote="JohnnyFan" post=334563]I feel for Tim Miles. This has been the worst kept secret and now they continue to let him twist in the wind.

[URL]https://www.klkntv.com/story/40192106/tim-miles-job-status-remains-in-question[/URL]][URL]https://www.klkntv.com/story/40192106/tim-miles-job-status-remains-in-question[/URL][/url][/quote]
Agree & probably they make it public this week. Hope he ends up with a job, having hung in there at Nebraska with essentially six players and a walk on.[/quote]

I posted in a different thread that the President of the School just resigned...that may delay things.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334570]Hope he ends up with a job, having hung in there at Nebraska with essentially six players and a walk on.[/quote]

Sounds like he's good enough to be an assistant for a couple years.
 
[quote="ErickTheRed" post=334574]Off topic, but kinda on topic....can someone list ooc schedule/tourneys for next year.[/quote]

Mohegan sun tournament - Teams - Virginia, Arizona State and UMASS
Arizona in San francisco
West Virginia @ MSG (BIG 12 challenge) (Tentative).
 
Manhattan1 wrote: Mohegan sun tournament - Teams - Virginia, Arizona State and UMASS
Arizona in San francisco
West Virginia @ MSG (BIG 12 challenge) (Tentative).

West Virginia, coming off Huggins worst season in a while, should be much better next year. Their all-time leading shot blocker & a pre-season 1st team Big 12 selection, Sagaba Konate, only played 8 games this year due to injury but will be back next year along with a Top 50 (#37) freshman big and the rest of this year's team.
 
Perhaps a silly question re Matt A, or at least one that was addressed previously, but why is the leaning sentiment that he would favor Hoilberg/Nebraska over Mullin/SJU? He went to SJU and is a huge Mets fan — doesn’t that favor NYC (even if Queens) over the sticks?! Would he receive that much more $ at Nebraska?!
 
[quote="MBaldi" post=334672]Perhaps a silly question re Matt A, or at least one that was addressed previously, but why is the leaning sentiment that he would favor Hoilberg/Nebraska over Mullin/SJU? He went to SJU and is a huge Mets fan — doesn’t that favor NYC (even if Queens) over the sticks?! Would he receive that much more $ at Nebraska?![/quote]

Presumably job security/familiarity/money.
 
mkras99 wrote:
MBaldi wrote: Perhaps a silly question re Matt A, or at least one that was addressed previously, but why is the leaning sentiment that he would favor Hoilberg/Nebraska over Mullin/SJU? He went to SJU and is a huge Mets fan — doesn’t that favor NYC (even if Queens) over the sticks?! Would he receive that much more $ at Nebraska?!

Presumably job security/familiarity/money.

I think all 3 of the above plus perhaps most importantly the chance to join a coach who has proven he can win consistently at the high major level.
 
The transfer path is not the problem it’s the talent evaluation. 3 out of our top 4 players were transfers. The misses were so bad though. Keita is AWFUL. Dixon didn’t have the IQ to play at this level.

I love the creative approach Matt A uses but his knowledge of basketball is shockingly low. He contributes nothing to the games and his overall recruiting has been just okay. I am not convinced Hoiberg would even want him at his current price tag.

We didn’t have a competent second ball-handler and didn’t have a single Big East caliber big man.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=334682]The transfer path is not the problem it’s the talent evaluation. 3 out of our top 4 players were transfers. The misses were so bad though. Keita is AWFUL. Dixon didn’t have the IQ to play at this level.

I love the creative approach Matt A uses but his knowledge of basketball is shockingly low. He contributes nothing to the games and his overall recruiting has been just okay. I am not convinced Hoiberg would even want him at his current price tag.

We didn’t have a competent second ball-handler and didn’t have a single Big East caliber big man.[/quote]

Totally bogus.

There are only a handful of transfers that you can be assured of will be impactful each year and they are at a high premium. Stop acting like they simply need to evaluate better as if it is so easy to get the good transfers and then the others you just dismiss.

SJU and very few schools have that luxury when they rely on this strategy. If it were that easy everyone would be doing it in the league. They have to take chances or else they won't land transfers at all let alone the good ones. And if they don't do well in this strategy then they have to do better in the traditional HS recruiting. When you are relying almost completely on this strategy you cannot expect anyone to land impactful transfers every time.

You are only saying this because you claim you have always been for this strategy. Therefore you need to come across as consistent. The strategy is not working so it can't be a bad strategy they just need to be better at "evaluating." Crock. The strategy is poor period.
 
I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. I think he’ll be the best newcomer in the Big East.

I’m convinced that Dixon was sacrificed for Steere when the staff realized how bad Keita was on and off the court. That transaction can’t be fully evaluated for at least another year. If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked.

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. I’d be more surprised than him leaving than anything that has occurred here in the last decade and that’s really saying something.

Caraher could end up surprising some people. I watched a whole game of his against an ACC team (I think Va Tech) on YouTube and he wasn’t a defensive liability. He was a skilled kid with a high IQ and good strength. Besides the hops and + 30 lbs he is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. 12-14 minutes unlike our more recent players with his skin pigment.

I expect Heron to return.

We need to be active in what looks to be the best graduate transfer class yet.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=334687][quote="Marillac" post=334682]The transfer path is not the problem it’s the talent evaluation. 3 out of our top 4 players were transfers. The misses were so bad though. Keita is AWFUL. Dixon didn’t have the IQ to play at this level.

I love the creative approach Matt A uses but his knowledge of basketball is shockingly low. He contributes nothing to the games and his overall recruiting has been just okay. I am not convinced Hoiberg would even want him at his current price tag.

We didn’t have a competent second ball-handler and didn’t have a single Big East caliber big man.[/quote]

Totally bogus.

There are only a handful of transfers that you can be assured of will be impactful each year and they are at a high premium. Stop acting like they simply need to evaluate better as if it is so easy to get the good transfers and then the others you just dismiss.

SJU and very few schools have that luxury when they rely on this strategy. If it were that easy everyone would be doing it in the league. They have to take chances or else they won't land transfers at all let alone the good ones. And if they don't do well in this strategy then they have to do better in the traditional HS recruiting. When you are relying almost completely on this strategy you cannot expect anyone to land impactful transfers every time.

You are only saying this because you claim you have always been for this strategy. Therefore you need to come across as consistent. The strategy is not working so it can't be a bad strategy they just need to be better at "evaluating." Crock. The strategy is poor period.[/quote]

Nevada, Oregon, and Baylor have all made Sweet 16s with numerous transfers. Utah St. has stocked its program with transfers for 20 years.

Schools like St. John’s need to be made up of at least 1/3 transfers to hang around the top 25-40 IMO. We are never going to consistently outrecruit Nova or Gtown from the high school ranks.

You’ve criticized me for changing my opinion and for being consistent on others. Pick one.
 
Hoiberg hire at Nebraska is no mystery with probable press conference early next week I bet and for certain Matt A will have an offer to consider. We’ll see how this evolves soon enough.
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=334688]I think Wright is going to be a stud if his shot falls at a respectable rate. I think he’ll be the best newcomer in the Big East.

I’m convinced that Dixon was sacrificed for Steere when the staff realized how bad Keita was on and off the court. That transaction can’t be fully evaluated for at least another year. If Steere isn’t instantly the best big man in Mullin’s tenure I’d be shocked.

Simon is too high character of a young man to abandon this team. I’d be more surprised than him leaving than anything that has occurred here in the last decade and that’s really saying something.

Caraher could end up surprising some people. I watched a whole game of his against an ACC team (I think Va Tech) on YouTube and he wasn’t a defensive liability. He was a skilled kid with a high IQ and good strength. Besides the hops and + 30 lbs he is out of the same mold as Figueroa. That doesn’t mean he’ll be as good but I think he’ll be a productive reserve next year. 12-14 minutes unlike our more recent players with his skin pigment.

I expect Heron to return.

We need to be active in what looks to be the best graduate transfer class yet.[/quote]

I support the transfer option as a fill-in tactic, but not the primary go-to strategy that it's become for us.
I'm hopeful that Wright & Caraher will be productive Johnnies next year and that Mack & Steere & Manuel will be valuable newcomers, with Mack hopefully being that 'pure' PG we've been pining for for awhile.
That said, netting a solid Grad Transfer...or 2(?), would go a long way to stabilize next season's team.
My concern is, I hope we have at least 1 recruiter to focus on that need immediately post the NCAAs.
No laughter this time, it's a worry.
Here's hoping for a good outcome.
 
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We need to start building a program and culture. The transfer system is not the way to do so. It is alright here and there but they need to start focusing on some High School players who will be around 3-4 years.
 
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