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[quote="AlBovino" post=292581]You're right. You would have failed your son by not recognizing his improvement and hard work. Instead you would be selfishly focused on unrealistic goals that despite hard work he may not be able to achieve.[/quote]

Interesting analogy Al!
However, we HAVE recognized our favorite son's improvement as a coach. However, like Steve Lavin, his initial hard work and effort has leveled off to the point of going through the motions for $2 million per year.
If we are "selfishly focused on unrealistic goals that despite hard work he may not be able to achieve", then in the real world of college basketball at a school where it is its only revenue generating sport, we should put "family" aside and make a business decision and not an emotional one by defending our favorite son.
There are no more excuses after this coming season period. Mullin can either coach and win with talent or he can't. He can pursue and sign top recruiting targets or he can't. He can make and modify hiring decisions or he can't. It is no longer about marginal improvement, it is about results.
Unless you have some Canadian model that trumps the aforementioned then stop criticizing fans who make observations based upon our historical results and stop calling out local fans here in NYC who shell out thousands of $$$ to watch a marginally improving team that has been in last place for three seasons and calling them whiners. That is unless you are willing to pay for our season tickets that keep increasing in price while the product keeps depreciating.
 
Room 112 Wrote: Can anyone argue the point that we have the worst facilities in the league? No I'm not making excuses for anyone, I'm just trying to be realistic. I'm not a Mullin fan or apologist, I'm not even a St John's grad!! I just want to see the team win and will be realistic about the chances of that happening in the meantime. I'm looking forward to a very exciting season with a team that is more talented than any we've had in many years.

Me: I think there is a nugget in there that might explain how folks look at things. I am also not a grad and like you my bar is a good season with exciting games. That's why this schedule bugs me personally. I feel cheated as a season ticket holder. I'm much less worried about how it all plays out at the end as I'm not obsessed over the destination, I enjoy the journey. That's why what bothers me is that we don't have another UCLA or Michigan on the schedule and why I can't get worked up over 200 versus 250 RPI games. The latter could effect where a team ends up but both games are not especially interesting to me as a consumer.

But when I look at the overall landscape I don't see SJU as the next Villanova for a lot of reasons, none of which I will state out of respect for the many grads that are on this forum. I think the team can consistently be Seton Hall or Providence though, and that bar is fine with me. Sorry to anyone who that offends, no offense is intended.

I suspect that overall the grads have much higher expectations than folks who just root for the team. They went there and paid tuition and school pride and all that. Fair enough and I will try and keep that in mind in the future and have more tolerance.

And since the tournament seems to be the consensus on the board of a minimum destination goal I want to be clear that when I look at this team I expect it to make the tournament. With or without Heron. I'm very bullish on this roster and have been since they acquired Figueroa. If they don't do that then I think it's more than fair to discuss whether the right person is coaching the team.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=292586][quote="Mike Zaun" post=292578][quote="Room112" post=292577][quote="MJDinkins" post=292566][quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]

What are these "unrealistic expectations" you continue to speak of? This is part of the deflection and tomfoolery I spoke of earlier. I can't recall anyone truly being unrealistic in their expectations.

We haven't had many "exciting seasons" in the past two decades (I'll admit), so I can probably count on one hand the "exciting seasons" we've had in the past two decades. Basically, you're stating this upcoming season will exceed any of Lavin's seasons, and we should be expecting a season similar to Jarvis' first two seasons at St. John's, right? Being this looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in two decades, eh? That's practically what you're conveying. Who's being unrealistic now?

Lastly, it's been mentioned on several occasions that most are looking forward to the '18'-'19 season, but there are concerns going forward. Several folks feel those concerns are legitimate and shouldn't be ignored. Those concerns aren't all related to what is going on on the court and sidelines.[/quote]

Unrealistic expectations around recrutiing. I keep reading comments of many who are expecting 5 star recruits to choose us. This isn't 1998.[/quote]

I have not seen one person on the entire forum who expects 5 stars to choose us. The only way I think we have a chance with ones like Lewis is if we hire Rice but we know how that's going. Even then, I would still think there's a good chance he wouldn't come. I've actually suggested we stop putting so much time and effort into these 5 stars...they don't want to stay home and they are being recruited by blue bloods. Whether it's Briscoe, Diallo, etc. we know how it works out almost every time. I'd rather focus on high 3 star and low 4 star guys who will stay 3-4 years. Is that unreasonable?

You fail to acknowledge the fact that DePaul...yes DePaul aka the only program which has been worse than us (but not by much outside of our big OOC wins) already has not one but two 4 star recruits for 2019. If they can do it, why can't we? Again, it was not that long ago when we were clearly above SH and PC but that has quickly changed. These are similar schools with similar resources (you could argue we have more resources).

Just imagine having a son and he comes home with a 65 on his Math test and after you demand better from him, he says "Dad, your expectations are unrealistic! I passed, so just let it play out and leave me alone!". You can either move the goalpost and give him a pat on the back for the 65 scraping by high school, or you can push him to be much better and improve himself so he can get into a good college.Everyone is still looking forward to the season but we notice there are cracks in the foundation. If we have a tournament year you will see a very, very happy fanbase.[/quote]

Mike, you're forgetting that DePaul has brand new state of the art arena that they play in. Yes, we have MSG but we really don't play many games there anymore and Carnesecca Arena is horrible.[/quote]

I'm going to a (very large) cocktail party at Wintrust on Saturday so I'll submit a report when I get back.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=292599][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292594][quote="Room112" post=292592][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292591][quote="Chris7" post=292583][quote="Room112" post=292577]
Unrealistic expectations around recrutiing. I keep reading comments of many who are expecting 5 star recruits to choose us. This isn't 1998.[/quote]

This post is very rational. One of the most on point posts on this board in a long time. All of the CM apologists expected, and still to this day expect, him to unrealistically land these 5 star guys. Not going to happen for a bevy of reasons. Hope we get lucky with one here and there. But people need to temper their expectations, whether you like CM or not.[/quote]

The problem isn't just that we aren't landing the 5 star guys. It's that we are spending a ton of time recruiting the 5 star guys and then not landing them. If it is very unlikely that we land those premium guys, why do we keep spending more and more time chasing them. Adapt. Use the extra time to latch on to some mid to low level 4 star guys and build those relationships. Or use the time on player development. You can't spend as much time as we are spending on recruiting these kids and then say it's not our fault we aren't #closing on them because of factors out of our control. Makes no sense.[/quote]

If we don't recruit 5 star guys then there will be complaints on here as to why we are not and we should consider being a mid major school. Im not making this up.[/quote]

Well I agree with you that isn't fair. There are a plenty of high major, consistently successful programs that aren't spending weeks upon weeks sweating the 5 stars. Personally I think we have spent too much time. I think it becomes a different story if and when we become a consistent winner, but way too many factors working against us already and until we show we can win it's almost impossible to land these 5 star types. And not wasting time on hail mary's does not make us a mid major, it makes us smart.[/quote]

Once again, I don't recall any poster having serious expectations of bringing in a 5-star talent. This is simply deflection if you ask me.

Besides, who said we can't land a 5-star kid every now and again? That's a defeatist attitude. If Wake Forest and Alabama can do it, then so shall we. Actually, Cockburn is the only 5-star in the '19 class that anyone believe we have a possible chance of landing. So, I don't understand where all the gnashing of teeth on this subject is stemming.[/quote]

Precious? We are in his top two! So should we or should we not be spending our time recruing these two? If we don't, most will be up in arms. No deflection.
 
[quote="Room112" post=292605][quote="MJDinkins" post=292599][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292594][quote="Room112" post=292592][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292591][quote="Chris7" post=292583][quote="Room112" post=292577]
Unrealistic expectations around recrutiing. I keep reading comments of many who are expecting 5 star recruits to choose us. This isn't 1998.[/quote]

This post is very rational. One of the most on point posts on this board in a long time. All of the CM apologists expected, and still to this day expect, him to unrealistically land these 5 star guys. Not going to happen for a bevy of reasons. Hope we get lucky with one here and there. But people need to temper their expectations, whether you like CM or not.[/quote]

The problem isn't just that we aren't landing the 5 star guys. It's that we are spending a ton of time recruiting the 5 star guys and then not landing them. If it is very unlikely that we land those premium guys, why do we keep spending more and more time chasing them. Adapt. Use the extra time to latch on to some mid to low level 4 star guys and build those relationships. Or use the time on player development. You can't spend as much time as we are spending on recruiting these kids and then say it's not our fault we aren't #closing on them because of factors out of our control. Makes no sense.[/quote]

If we don't recruit 5 star guys then there will be complaints on here as to why we are not and we should consider being a mid major school. Im not making this up.[/quote]

Well I agree with you that isn't fair. There are a plenty of high major, consistently successful programs that aren't spending weeks upon weeks sweating the 5 stars. Personally I think we have spent too much time. I think it becomes a different story if and when we become a consistent winner, but way too many factors working against us already and until we show we can win it's almost impossible to land these 5 star types. And not wasting time on hail mary's does not make us a mid major, it makes us smart.[/quote]

Once again, I don't recall any poster having serious expectations of bringing in a 5-star talent. This is simply deflection if you ask me.

Besides, who said we can't land a 5-star kid every now and again? That's a defeatist attitude. If Wake Forest and Alabama can do it, then so shall we. Actually, Cockburn is the only 5-star in the '19 class that anyone believe we have a possible chance of landing. So, I don't understand where all the gnashing of teeth on this subject is stemming.[/quote]

Precious? We are in his top two! So should we or should we not be spending our time recruing these two? If we don't, most will be up in arms. No deflection.[/quote]

Okay. If we're supposedly in the top two for Achiuwa, then why is it "unrealstic expectations" to target or land a 5-star talent? Maybe, you should be asking yourself the question you relayed to me. Sorry, but you're not quite making sense.
 
IDRAFT wrote: I think there is a nugget in there that might explain how folks look at things. I am also not a grad and like you my bar is a good season with exciting games. That's why this schedule bugs me personally. I feel cheated as a season ticket holder. I'm much less worried about how it all plays out at the end as I'm not obsessed over the destination, I enjoy the journey. That's why what bothers me is that we don't have another UCLA or Michigan on the schedule and why I can't get worked up over 200 versus 250 RPI games. The latter could effect where a team ends up but both games are not especially interesting to me as a consumer.

But when I look at the overall landscape I don't see SJU as the next Villanova for a lot of reasons, none of which I will state out of respect for the many grads that are on this forum. I think the team can consistently be Seton Hall or Providence though, and that bar is fine with me. Sorry to anyone who that offends, no offense is intended.

I suspect that overall the grads have much higher expectations than folks who just root for the team. They went there and paid tuition and school pride and all that. Fair enough and I will try and keep that in mind in the future and have more tolerance.

And since the tournament seems to be the consensus on the board of a minimum destination goal I want to be clear that when I look at this team I expect it to make the tournament. With or without Heron. I'm very bullish on this roster and have been since they acquired Figueroa. If they don't do that then I think it's more than fair to discuss whether the right person is coaching the team.

IDRFAT, great, balanced post. I am with you. We should be able to get back on a level with PC, Hall, Marquette etc. Nova, at this point, is on another level that I don't see us getting to.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292610] Nova, at this point, is on another level that I don't see us getting to.[/quote]

Why not? They've been basically recruiting similar rated talent as us with an occasional 5-star sprinkled in. I bet 10 years ago most Villanova fans didn't think they'd be where they are now.
 
41 pages in the books under this banner with just under 3 months before we throw the first ball up on the schedule. Man I love this website and the loyal posters, please don’t change! I’m just glad the work ethic on this board, unlike a certain assistant and previous head coaches, can never be questioned. Man am I ready for college hoops!
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=292602][quote="AlBovino" post=292581]You're right. You would have failed your son by not recognizing his improvement and hard work. Instead you would be selfishly focused on unrealistic goals that despite hard work he may not be able to achieve.[/quote]

Interesting analogy Al!
However, we HAVE recognized our favorite son's improvement as a coach. However, like Steve Lavin, his initial hard work and effort has leveled off to the point of going through the motions for $2 million per year.
If we are "selfishly focused on unrealistic goals that despite hard work he may not be able to achieve", then in the real world of college basketball at a school where it is its only revenue generating sport, we should put "family" aside and make a business decision and not an emotional one by defending our favorite son.
There are no more excuses after this coming season period. Mullin can either coach and win with talent or he can't. He can pursue and sign top recruiting targets or he can't. He can make and modify hiring decisions or he can't. It is no longer about marginal improvement, it is about results.
Unless you have some Canadian model that trumps the aforementioned then stop criticizing fans who make observations based upon our historical results and stop calling out local fans here in NYC who shell out thousands of $$$ to watch a marginally improving team that has been in last place for three seasons and calling them whiners. That is unless you are willing to pay for our season tickets that keep increasing in price while the product keeps depreciating.[/quote]

If I remember our old head coach made the tournament 2 out of 5 years and Post Season 4 out of 5.

Let's see year 4.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=292611]
..... I bet 10 years ago most Villanova fans didn't think they'd be where they are now.[/quote]

Villanova has been the beneficiary of strong institutional leadership over the past decade which manifests itself in its academic footprint as well as athletics.

Over the past 15+/- years Villanova has transformed itself from a regional college into a national university. Villanova's acceptance rate for this year's in coming frosh was 28%** with a middle 50 percent range of SAT scores at 1380-1490/1600.which puts Villanova in line with a number of the most competitive non Ivys.

Nova's institutional leadership decided to make men's basketball into it's billboard and winning image when it elected to fire Steve Lappas who was a solid Big East coach with a 9 year record of 174–110 and 7 of 9 post season appearances for the young promising coach at Hofstra.

Unfortunately my beloved St. John's has not benefited from strong Institutional Leadership on so many fronts; men's basketball being just one. As the saying goes .... "we Are St. John's .... we can hope."
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MJDinkins wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Nova, at this point, is on another level that I don't see us getting to.

Why not? They've been basically recruiting similar rated talent as us with an occasional 5-star sprinkled in. I bet 10 years ago most Villanova fans didn't think they'd be where they are now.

10 years ago Nova was about to wind up in the Final Four and was coming off four years where'd they'd made an Elite 8 and two Sweet Sixteen appearances. Since then, they have been a constant NCAA participant except for one year. Aside from that, they are an elite academic institution, like Duke & UNC with all the prestige that comes with that, which I don't think St. John's will be anytime soon. You have to walk before you can run. I think getting to a level with our other more successful BE brethren is a realistic goal at this point.
 
[quote="otis" post=292618][quote="MJDinkins" post=292611]
..... I bet 10 years ago most Villanova fans didn't think they'd be where they are now.[/quote]

Villanova has been the beneficiary of strong institutional leadership over the past decade which manifests itself in its academic footprint as well as athletics.

Over the past 15+/- years Villanova has transformed itself from a regional college into a national university. Villanova's acceptance rate for this year's in coming frosh was 28% with a middle 50 percent range of SAT scores at 1380-1490/1600.which puts Villanova in line with a number of the most competitive non Ivys.

Nova's institutional leadership decided to make men's basketball into it's billboard and winning image when it elected to fire Steve Lappas who was a solid Big East coach with a 9 year record of 174–110 and 7 of 9 post season appearances for the young promising coach at Hofstra.

Unfortunately my beloved St. John's has not benefited from strong Institutional Leadership on so many fronts; men's basketball being just one. As the saying goes .... "we Are St. John's .... we can hope."[/quote]

Your first and last sentences tells it all.... Leadership.

Nevertheless, I doubt most people ('Nova fans, included) thought they'd be where they are now.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=292621][quote="otis" post=292618][quote="MJDinkins" post=292611]
..... I bet 10 years ago most Villanova fans didn't think they'd be where they are now.[/quote]

Villanova has been the beneficiary of strong institutional leadership over the past decade which manifests itself in its academic footprint as well as athletics.

Over the past 15+/- years Villanova has transformed itself from a regional college into a national university. Villanova's acceptance rate for this year's in coming frosh was 28% with a middle 50 percent range of SAT scores at 1380-1490/1600.which puts Villanova in line with a number of the most competitive non Ivys.

Nova's institutional leadership decided to make men's basketball into it's billboard and winning image when it elected to fire Steve Lappas who was a solid Big East coach with a 9 year record of 174–110 and 7 of 9 post season appearances for the young promising coach at Hofstra.

Unfortunately my beloved St. John's has not benefited from strong Institutional Leadership on so many fronts; men's basketball being just one. As the saying goes .... "we Are St. John's .... we can hope."[/quote]

Your first and last sentences tells it all.... Leadership.

Nevertheless, I doubt most people ('Nova fans, included) thought they'd be where they are now.[/quote]

There are plenty of high quality more realistic models to follow right in our conference - why can't we be Xavier, or Seton Hall, or Butler, or Creighton? Then we can worry about being Villanova.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292620]MJDinkins wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Nova, at this point, is on another level that I don't see us getting to.

Why not? They've been basically recruiting similar rated talent as us with an occasional 5-star sprinkled in. I bet 10 years ago most Villanova fans didn't think they'd be where they are now.

10 years ago Nova was about to wind up in the Final Four and was coming off four years where'd they'd made an Elite 8 and two Sweet Sixteen appearances. Since then, they have been a constant NCAA participant except for one year. Aside from that, they are an elite academic institution, like Duke & UNC with all the prestige that comes with that, which I don't think St. John's will be anytime soon. You have to walk before you can run. I think getting to a level with our other more successful BE brethren is a realistic goal at this point.[/quote]

Then, they spun their wheels for the next four years, and Wright was starting to catch flak from the natives. Basically, they looked like they were going the way of Georgetown after their 2007 Final Four appearance.

I also think getting to the level of other successful conference foes are also currently realistic. But that doesn't also mean we can't ever get to the level of Villanova. It's about leadership, as mentioned by otis, and what a few other posters have been stating for the past few months or years.
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292622][quote="MJDinkins" post=292621][quote="otis" post=292618][quote="MJDinkins" post=292611]
..... I bet 10 years ago most Villanova fans didn't think they'd be where they are now.[/quote]

Villanova has been the beneficiary of strong institutional leadership over the past decade which manifests itself in its academic footprint as well as athletics.

Over the past 15+/- years Villanova has transformed itself from a regional college into a national university. Villanova's acceptance rate for this year's in coming frosh was 28% with a middle 50 percent range of SAT scores at 1380-1490/1600.which puts Villanova in line with a number of the most competitive non Ivys.

Nova's institutional leadership decided to make men's basketball into it's billboard and winning image when it elected to fire Steve Lappas who was a solid Big East coach with a 9 year record of 174–110 and 7 of 9 post season appearances for the young promising coach at Hofstra.

Unfortunately my beloved St. John's has not benefited from strong Institutional Leadership on so many fronts; men's basketball being just one. As the saying goes .... "we Are St. John's .... we can hope."[/quote]

Your first and last sentences tells it all.... Leadership.

Nevertheless, I doubt most people ('Nova fans, included) thought they'd be where they are now.[/quote]

There are plenty of high quality more realistic models to follow right in our conference - why can't we be Xavier, or Seton Hall, or Butler, or Creighton? Then we can worry about being Villanova.[/quote]

Where did I say we couldn't be Xavier or the likes (personally, I wouldn't want to strive to be Seton Hall)? I only asked, "Why not" when it came to us "never" being like Villanova.

Just because I asked that question doesn't infer that I'm saying we should automatically catapult to Villanova's current level.
 
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[quote="Manhattan1" post=292616]If I remember our old head coach made the tournament 2 out of 5 years and Post Season 4 out of 5.[/quote]

Do you remember how many post season games he won?
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=292607][quote="Room112" post=292605][quote="MJDinkins" post=292599][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292594][quote="Room112" post=292592][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292591][quote="Chris7" post=292583][quote="Room112" post=292577]
Unrealistic expectations around recrutiing. I keep reading comments of many who are expecting 5 star recruits to choose us. This isn't 1998.[/quote]

This post is very rational. One of the most on point posts on this board in a long time. All of the CM apologists expected, and still to this day expect, him to unrealistically land these 5 star guys. Not going to happen for a bevy of reasons. Hope we get lucky with one here and there. But people need to temper their expectations, whether you like CM or not.[/quote]

The problem isn't just that we aren't landing the 5 star guys. It's that we are spending a ton of time recruiting the 5 star guys and then not landing them. If it is very unlikely that we land those premium guys, why do we keep spending more and more time chasing them. Adapt. Use the extra time to latch on to some mid to low level 4 star guys and build those relationships. Or use the time on player development. You can't spend as much time as we are spending on recruiting these kids and then say it's not our fault we aren't #closing on them because of factors out of our control. Makes no sense.[/quote]

If we don't recruit 5 star guys then there will be complaints on here as to why we are not and we should consider being a mid major school. Im not making this up.[/quote]

Well I agree with you that isn't fair. There are a plenty of high major, consistently successful programs that aren't spending weeks upon weeks sweating the 5 stars. Personally I think we have spent too much time. I think it becomes a different story if and when we become a consistent winner, but way too many factors working against us already and until we show we can win it's almost impossible to land these 5 star types. And not wasting time on hail mary's does not make us a mid major, it makes us smart.[/quote]

Once again, I don't recall any poster having serious expectations of bringing in a 5-star talent. This is simply deflection if you ask me.

Besides, who said we can't land a 5-star kid every now and again? That's a defeatist attitude. If Wake Forest and Alabama can do it, then so shall we. Actually, Cockburn is the only 5-star in the '19 class that anyone believe we have a possible chance of landing. So, I don't understand where all the gnashing of teeth on this subject is stemming.[/quote]

Precious? We are in his top two! So should we or should we not be spending our time recruing these two? If we don't, most will be up in arms. No deflection.[/quote]

Okay. If we're supposedly in the top two for Achiuwa, then why is it "unrealstic expectations" to target or land a 5-star talent? Maybe, you should be asking yourself the question you relayed to me. Sorry, but you're not quite making sense.[/quote]

Ok let me get this straight. I was just told nobody expects us to land 5 star players, and we should aim lower. Now I'm being told we should continue to pursue 5 star players because we made the top of their list. So which is it? You don't make the top of the list without spending time pursuing them....
 
[quote="Room112" post=292626] not quite making sense.[/quote]Ok let me get this straight. I was just told nobody expects us to land 5 star players, and we should aim lower. Now I'm being told we should continue to pursue 5 star players because we made the top of their list. So which is it? You don't make the top of the list without spending time pursuing them....[/quote]

I always said, we should pursue those type of players if the staff feels they have a shot.

You're just attempting to move the goalposts from where I sit. You initially said (paraphrased), "Some fans have unrealistic expectations by thinking we can land 5-star talent.... This isn't 1998."

I responded by saying, I can't recall anyone actually seriously believing (or harping) on us landing 5-star kids. The only kid anyone felt we had a shot with was with Cockburn. Then you mentioned Achiuwa, and us being in his top 2. No one has really been talking about him on the forum lately. Even then, being in his top 2 squashes your logic of it being "unrealistic" for us to land 5-star talent. No, he hasn't committed, but top 2 gives us just as good of a chance than UConn.

Simply put, no one has been seriously pining or truly believe we're going to land any of these kids. More so, it's been hoping than believing it'll truly materialize. If we do, then great! You created the "unrealistic expectations" argument and now seem to be backpedaling into some other strawman.
 
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MJDinkins wrote: Then, they spun their wheels for the next four years, and Wright was starting to catch flak from the natives. Basically, they looked like they were going the way of Georgetown after their 2007 Final Four appearance.

I also think getting to the level of other successful conference foes are also currently realistic. But that doesn't also mean we can't ever get to the level of Villanova. It's about leadership, as mentioned by otis, and what a few other posters have been stating for the past few months or years.

MJ, we are not disagreeing except maybe around the edges. But I do think combination of commuter school rep and less than elite academics makes it ore challenging for us versus some of the bluebloods/consistent top 10 programs.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292628]MJDinkins wrote: Then, they spun their wheels for the next four years, and Wright was starting to catch flak from the natives. Basically, they looked like they were going the way of Georgetown after their 2007 Final Four appearance.

I also think getting to the level of other successful conference foes are also currently realistic. But that doesn't also mean we can't ever get to the level of Villanova. It's about leadership, as mentioned by otis, and what a few other posters have been stating for the past few months or years.

MJ, we are not disagreeing except maybe around the edges. But I do think combination of commuter school rep and less than elite academics makes it ore challenging for us versus some of the bluebloods/consistent top 10 programs.[/quote]

Commuter.... I may give you that one. Less than elite academics.... I can name several programs in basketball and football who is on that level academically, and does well similarly to I can name schools who are good-to-great academically, but suck or mediocre in those sports.
 
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