2018/19 Schedule

We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.
 
[quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]

You have on this board long enough to know that St John's fans aren't happy unless they are bitching about something. Unfortunately, it just goes with the territory.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=292537]We will be just fine in 2019/20. Anyone with half a brain can see we are trending upwards.[/quote]

Then how did you see it?
 
[quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]

Borderline?
 
I had high hopes for the season (especially if Heron is eligible). I have every expectation that they will play very well and be a tournament caliber team. Maybe even a team who can win a game or two. But with this schedule, there is a very real possibility we won't get a chance to see it.
 
[quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]

I agree about the upcoming season possibly being an exciting one. Especially if Mustapha is eligible.
Long ago I equated being down on the program with a book that I read while in high school "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up to Me" , a novel by Richard Fariña. The protagonist, Gnossos Pappadopoulis, is portrayed as poking fun at the pompous, self-righteous and well-to-do, swilling Red Cap ale, martinis, and seeking karma.
You know about karma, don't you? We used to give each other karma points here until it started to be abused by haters who got obsessed and who voted fans they disliked with negative karma. So, you are on the right track in that many a St. John's fan see themselves as Gnossos, poking fun at fellow fans because, in spite of trying to be positive, we've been down so long that being negative seems normal (like up to me), as in the book.

You are also correct in that it has been almost a couple of decades since the Maven rushed the court and kissed Mike Jarvis on his bald head in 1999.

1998–99 St. John's 28–9 14–4 3rd NCAA Division I Elite Eight
1999–00 St. John's 25–8 12–4 3rd NCAA Division

As for having a great season, remember what happened to Jarvis a couple of years later. Also please note Steve Lavin won 21 games and went to the NCAAs in his first and last seasons. Mullin having one good season will not recondition us to any long term positive outlook because........we've been down so long.........;)
 
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[quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]
If as you say some fans are happy when things are going bad than they probably wouldn't be complaining they would be cheering on the bad things. The other side of the coin that makes this board annoying to read are the apologists and excuse makers. But than I believe everyone is entitled to voice their opinion and don't constantly chastise those with differing opinions like some do on this board and I am not saying you are one who does as I for one don't keep score and besides my recollections of who says what may be faulty.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=292557][quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]
If as you say some fans are happy when things are going bad than they probably wouldn't be complaining they would be cheering on the bad things. The other side of the coin that makes this board annoying to read are the apologists and excuse makers. But than I believe everyone is entitled to voice their opinion and don't constantly chastise those with differing opinions like some do on this board and I am not saying you are one who does as I for one don't keep score and besides my recollections of who says what may be faulty.[/quote]

Well said and fans should take things said on message boards with a grain of salt and for our older fans, followed by a water pill. The younger ones should take a chill pill and those offended should wear a rain coat when visiting the site. Melania Trump had the right idea.

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[quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]


I chalk up the constant repetitive comments as being age related forgetfulness.
 
Postell25 wrote:

I had high hopes for the season (especially if Heron is eligible). I have every expectation that they will play very well and be a tournament caliber team. Maybe even a team who can win a game or two. But with this schedule, there is a very real possibility we won't get a chance to see it.

Postell25, I hear you on the schedule being poorly constructed. But if MH is eligible and we are as good as we all think we can be, schedule won't matter as we should win at least 12 in BE regular season and 12 of 13 non-conference games and be good enough to overcome a lower than expected NCAA tournament seed. I agree that schedule can come back to bite us if he isn't eligible.
 
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[quote="Moon Mullen" post=292562][quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]


I chalk up the constant repetitive comments as being age related forgetfulness.[/quote]

Possible but it is also possible that carpetbagger coaches keep walking on our redmen lawn and serving us cold soup.:p
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292563]Postell25 wrote:

I had high hopes for the season (especially if Heron is eligible). I have every expectation that they will play very well and be a tournament caliber team. Maybe even a team who can win a game or two. But with this schedule, there is a very real possibility we won't get a chance to see it.

Postell25, I hear you on the schedule being poorly constructed. But if MH is eligible and we are as good as we all think we can be, schedule won't matter as we should win at least 12 in BE regular season and 12 of 13 non-conference games and be good enough to overcome a lower than expected NCAA tournament seed. I agree that schedule can come back to bite us if he isn't eligible.[/quote]

Agreed 100% NC Johnnie. If we end up 26-7 or 25-8 after the Big East Tournament there is no way they are keeping a 25-26 win Big East team out of the NCAA Tournament. If we are a bubble team we are in trouble.
 
[quote="Room112" post=292549]We're approaching what looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in a couple of decades, and this board is borderline unreadable! So much complaining about the same topics over and over again. What's worse is when the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to pile on. Between reading the constant unrealistic expectations and post after post filled with misery and complaining, I truly believe half of this board is more happy when things are bad and they can complain about it.[/quote]

What are these "unrealistic expectations" you continue to speak of? This is part of the deflection and tomfoolery I spoke of earlier. I can't recall anyone truly being unrealistic in their expectations.

We haven't had many "exciting seasons" in the past two decades (I'll admit), so I can probably count on one hand the "exciting seasons" we've had in the past two decades. Basically, you're stating this upcoming season will exceed any of Lavin's seasons, and we should be expecting a season similar to Jarvis' first two seasons at St. John's, right? Being this looks to be one of our most exciting seasons in two decades, eh? That's practically what you're conveying. Who's being unrealistic now?

Lastly, it's been mentioned on several occasions that most are looking forward to the '18'-'19 season, but there are concerns going forward. Several folks feel those concerns are legitimate and shouldn't be ignored. Those concerns aren't all related to what is going on on the court and sidelines.
 
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[quote="Mean Gene" post=292565][quote="NCJohnnie" post=292563]Postell25 wrote:

I had high hopes for the season (especially if Heron is eligible). I have every expectation that they will play very well and be a tournament caliber team. Maybe even a team who can win a game or two. But with this schedule, there is a very real possibility we won't get a chance to see it.

Postell25, I hear you on the schedule being poorly constructed. But if MH is eligible and we are as good as we all think we can be, schedule won't matter as we should win at least 12 in BE regular season and 12 of 13 non-conference games and be good enough to overcome a lower than expected NCAA tournament seed. I agree that schedule can come back to bite us if he isn't eligible.[/quote]

Agreed 100% NC Johnnie. If we end up 26-7 or 25-8 after the Big East Tournament there is no way they are keeping a 25-26 win Big East team out of the NCAA Tournament. If we are a bubble team we are in trouble.[/quote]

We play the Big East tourney on our home court. With a talented team we should be favorites. ......... but we won't be.:(
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=292565][quote="NCJohnnie" post=292563]Postell25 wrote:

I had high hopes for the season (especially if Heron is eligible). I have every expectation that they will play very well and be a tournament caliber team. Maybe even a team who can win a game or two. But with this schedule, there is a very real possibility we won't get a chance to see it.

Postell25, I hear you on the schedule being poorly constructed. But if MH is eligible and we are as good as we all think we can be, schedule won't matter as we should win at least 12 in BE regular season and 12 of 13 non-conference games and be good enough to overcome a lower than expected NCAA tournament seed. I agree that schedule can come back to bite us if he isn't eligible.[/quote]

Agreed 100% NC Johnnie. If we end up 26-7 or 25-8 after the Big East Tournament there is no way they are keeping a 25-26 win Big East team out of the NCAA Tournament. If we are a bubble team we are in trouble.[/quote]

On most occasions, I would agree. But say if the conference RPI as a whole is around 4th or 5th in the nation, then we might be dancing on that fence. I think we'd likely get in with 25 or 26 wins, but our seeding would stink.

This is why we have to hope the Big East has a top 3 RPI at the end of the season. Besides, banking on having to win 25 or 26 games to make the dance puts a lot of pressure on the team as a whole.

EDIT: Frank Martin and the Gamecocks was 24-8 (11-7 in the SEC) in 2015-2016, and missed the dance. They had a 73 RPI and the SEC was 6th per the RPI.
 
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MjDinkins wrote: On most occasions, I would agree. But say if the conference RPI as a whole is around 4th or 5th in the nation, then we might be dancing on that fence. I think we'd likely get in with 25 or 26 wins, but our seeding would stink.

This is why we have to hope the Big East has a top 3 RPI at the end of the season. Besides, banking on having to win 25 or 26 games to make the dance puts a lot of pressure on the team as a whole.

Dink, I have to very respectfully disagree. I don't care if BE RPI is 4 or 5 (i.e. finish behind ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and/or SEC); if we go 12-6 or better in BE we will be no worse than 3rd there and if we win 25 or 26 games overall, we are absolutely in the NCAA. Just no way BE doesn't get 3 or 4 teams in. I do agree that we have put ourselves in a bad position if MH can't play.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292569]MjDinkins wrote: On most occasions, I would agree. But say if the conference RPI as a whole is around 4th or 5th in the nation, then we might be dancing on that fence. I think we'd likely get in with 25 or 26 wins, but our seeding would stink.

This is why we have to hope the Big East has a top 3 RPI at the end of the season. Besides, banking on having to win 25 or 26 games to make the dance puts a lot of pressure on the team as a whole.

Dink, I have to very respectfully disagree. I don't care if BE RPI is 4 or 5 (i.e. finish behind ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and/or SEC); if we go 12-6 or better in BE we will be no worse than 3rd there and if we win 25 or 26 games overall, we are absolutely in the NCAA. Just no way BE doesn't get 3 or 4 teams in. I do agree that we have put ourselves in a bad position if MH can't play.[/quote]

I said, we would likely get in with 25 or 26 wins. The schedule, as it is now, places a few "ifs" into the overall equation, nonetheless.

Whether, Heron plays or not shouldn't matter IMO. You're about to make Moose a prophet, lol.
 
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Earlier in this thread I compared next year's schedule with Georgetown's from last year. Literally the worst for any P6 team in decades. Ours is better, but not by much.

Here's another gem: Kansas St had by far the worst OOC of any Tournament team last year.
OOC Record: 11-2
OOC RPI: 137
OOC SOS: 327
OOC Opponent's Average RPI: 201

KSU finished 11-9 in the best conference (B12) and had a B12 Tournament win as well. They were a 9 seed with a 54 RPI.

The average OOC opponent's RPI for SJU next year would be 211 (based on how they performed this year- remember KSU's was 201). Meaning our OOC SOS will likely be WORSE than 327. If we go 11-2, that could mean an OOC RPI around 150. We may have to go around 13-5 in the Big East then in order to get a Top 50 RPI, since it won't be the #1 conference like the B12 was this year. And for what? To play in the 8/9 game?

This is honestly infuriating.
 
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