2018/19 Schedule

[quote="Mean Gene" post=292322]If Heron is eligible, we have the most talent we’ve had here in a while. Let’s just hope they go out there, win 26 games and put this whole issue to rest.[/quote]

The issue would not be put to rest because if we win 26 games and finish in the top 4 in the conference then everyone will then be upset when we are in the 8/9 game.

The schedule was a huge misstep for the program and will be a black cloud over the entire season
 
[quote="postell25" post=292346][quote="Mean Gene" post=292322]If Heron is eligible, we have the most talent we’ve had here in a while. Let’s just hope they go out there, win 26 games and put this whole issue to rest.[/quote]

Understood Postell25, but the goal this season is to make the NCAA Tournament. If we win 26 games that means that we went 14-4 in conference and probably finish top 3 or 4 in conference. Add a win or two in the Big East Tournament and there is no way we don’t get a berth in the NCAA Tournament. I understand that it should not have come to this and we shouldn’t have to hope for a 26 win season to achieve the goal we all want to achieve. The fact of the matter is that this is where we are. So, let’s get Heron eligible, use the weak OOC schedule to blend all the new parts and to get the rotation down. We can do that and win at the same time with the level of competition that we will be playing. Then let’s go into conference play and win the damn thing! It’s not out of the realm of possibility this season if things break right for us. So, let’s just do it and put all this shit to rest. This is the position they have put themselves in now. Let them go out and do it. This what I’m left rooting for at this point.

The issue would not be put to rest because if we win 26 games and finish in the top 4 in the conference then everyone will then be upset when we are in the 8/9 game.

The schedule was a huge misstep for the program and will be a black cloud over the entire season[/quote]
 
The schedule was a huge misstep for the program and will be a black cloud over the entire season[/quote]

That's it. I have my season tickets but I'm not going to any of the games.:dry: :whistle:
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=292368]Like I said, get Heron eligible, win the Big East, no problem.[/quote]

If it was only that easy (which it's not).
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=292372][quote="Mean Gene" post=292368]Like I said, get Heron eligible, win the Big East, no problem.[/quote]

If it was only that easy (which it's not).[/quote]
realistic goals please. You'll be disappointed when we don't win the BE. The coaches don't play the games, but they could of gave us a more formable schedule to compete with. 2 locals tops from now on. We do THEM a favor for playing them! You make recruiting easier for them...make our OOC games benefit US!! Schedule the states we look to recruit in...ala Fla State, UF, Miami, LSU, Texas, Michigan, USC, Pitt, BC, Mizzu, etc. Why do we get it and not these guys?
 
I know this is a major stretch, but any chance someone in the know can contact SJU on how idiotic this schedule is?

Based on last year's results, we are only projected to play one top 100 team (two if we play Temple rather than VCU). We also are projected to play four teams over 300.

I know we're all familiar with Georgetown's atrocious schedule from last year. No, our schedule is not as bad as their's. However, it is not significantly better.

Let's compare:

Georgetown OOC 2017-18:
SOS ranking: 351 (out of 351)
Top 100 Opponents: 1
300-351 Opponents: 5
Average Opponent: 265

St. John's (based on 2017-18 results):
SOS ranking: NA
Top 100 Opponents: 1 (or 2, depending on Legends)
300-351 Opponents: 4
Average Opponent: 211

So, St. John's schedule won't be as bad as Georgetown's historically awful schedule. We all knew that.

The problem is it won't be that much better. Here is the scary part:

Georgetown went 10-1 OOC last year and their OOC RPI was 179!

Even going 12-1 could be a bad thing. Going 12-1 could also mean no top 100 wins.

This really needs to be communicated with St. John's. They won't do anything about it, I know. But this is a genuine issue.

Unbelievable.
 
Totally understand and agree. The only explanation I can see (which they'd never admit to) is they want to puff our record up as much as possible to give the appearance that Mullin is a good coach. Of course as others have said, we are not a stupid fanbase and guys like Dick Vitale have already balked at the schedule. It will feel great to beat teams by 20 with possibly our only loss coming against Duke. But by the time March comes, if we're in consideration to make the dance and don't, we will all say "told ya so".

We are scheduling as if we are Hartford. You would think they realize they aren't fooling anyone after seeing the Georgetown bashing this past season, but this is where the program's at. Dysfunction at every turn.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=292434]Totally understand and agree. The only explanation I can see (which they'd never admit to) is they want to puff our record up as much as possible to give the appearance that Mullin is a good coach. Of course as others have said, we are not a stupid fanbase and guys like Dick Vitale have already balked at the schedule. It will feel great to beat teams by 20 with possibly our only loss coming against Duke. But by the time March comes, if we're in consideration to make the dance and don't, we will all say "told ya so".

We are scheduling as if we are Hartford. You would think they realize they aren't fooling anyone after seeing the Georgetown bashing this past season, but this is where the program's at. Dysfunction at every turn.[/quote]

The only explanation? Really? If so that's pretty outrageous. How about the fact we have no AD. How about the fact our administration is a joke and doesn't hold anyone accountable. How about the fact we probably have people handling the scheduling who are severely under qualified to do so?
 
[quote="Room112" post=292463][quote="Mike Zaun" post=292434]Totally understand and agree. The only explanation I can see (which they'd never admit to) is they want to puff our record up as much as possible to give the appearance that Mullin is a good coach. Of course as others have said, we are not a stupid fanbase and guys like Dick Vitale have already balked at the schedule. It will feel great to beat teams by 20 with possibly our only loss coming against Duke. But by the time March comes, if we're in consideration to make the dance and don't, we will all say "told ya so".

We are scheduling as if we are Hartford. You would think they realize they aren't fooling anyone after seeing the Georgetown bashing this past season, but this is where the program's at. Dysfunction at every turn.[/quote]

The only explanation? Really? If so that's pretty outrageous. How about the fact we have no AD. How about the fact our administration is a joke and doesn't hold anyone accountable. How about the fact we probably have people handling the scheduling who are severely under qualified to do so?[/quote]

I meant the only positive explanation. The rest are all just plain dysfunction and being incompetent. Or they just don't care and go through the motions.
 
Typically the DOB or assistant coach does most of the scheduling with input from the Head Coach.

I have a feeling this probably fell on Greg St. Jean to schedule as MATT A recruits and Mitch does nothing.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=292479]Typically the DOB or assistant coach does most of the scheduling with input from the Head Coach.

I have a feeling this probably fell on Greg St. Jean to schedule as MATT A recruits and Mitch does nothing.[/quote]

Typically the head coach has the final say in the schedule. Outside of the Big East, the vetting is done by assistants, Matt included. If Heron is eligible this team is capable of beating anyone. Without him, it is capable of losing to anyone.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=292480][quote="Manhattan1" post=292479]Typically the DOB or assistant coach does most of the scheduling with input from the Head Coach.

I have a feeling this probably fell on Greg St. Jean to schedule as MATT A recruits and Mitch does nothing.[/quote]

Typically the head coach has the final say in the schedule. Outside of the Big East, the vetting is done by assistants, Matt included. If Heron is eligible this team is capable of beating anyone. Without him, it is capable of losing to anyone.[/quote]

Agreed 72, so let's get Heron eligible and go out and take care of business. If we win enough games and finish high enough in the Big East we will get an NCAA bid. Will seeding be affected due to the OOC, yes, but we will get a bid as long as we take care of business
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=292479]Typically the DOB or assistant coach does most of the scheduling with input from the Head Coach.

I have a feeling this probably fell on Greg St. Jean to schedule as MATT A recruits and Mitch does nothing.[/quote]

and we're not sure if we have a DOBO either ??
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=292485][quote="Manhattan1" post=292479]Typically the DOB or assistant coach does most of the scheduling with input from the Head Coach.

I have a feeling this probably fell on Greg St. Jean to schedule as MATT A recruits and Mitch does nothing.[/quote]

and we're not sure if we have a DOBO either ??[/quote]
If that slot becomes vacant I would expect they promote Luca.
 
I can picture GSJ texting Mullin asking him some questions regarding scheduling.

GSJ: "Hey, trying to schedule but have a few questions"
Mullin: (3 hours later) "Can't txt now, in Cali, ask Mitch"
GSJ: "Hey Mitch, had a few questions about the scheduling"
Mitch:
GSJ: "Hello? Come on man I need to get this done"
Mitch:
GSJ: "Screw it, I'm just scheduling random teams, no one's helping me"

The scariest part is that I don't see this being much of an exaggeration.
 
Think the question as is so often the case with this program is what is the plan?

Two years ago off a 1-17 Big East season we played games 3-6 at Minnesota and in a loaded Bahamas tourney. Actually played well enough to win in first 3 of those games but couldn't close, understand staff may have felt it needed to elevate overall/recruiting profile with Bahamas trip, but that felt like biting off more than team was ready to chew. Hindsight 20/20, but in retrospect program wasn't ready in Year 2 of a total rebuild for a Top 50 schedule and that respectable 7-11 in conference number didn't look as great against 6-7 OOC.

Thought the schedule last year was well done, don't know that they thought it would be Top 15, but it was a strong schedule that seemed to fit where program thought they'd be if healthy in Year 3. 11-2 against that OOC was elite, and that SJU ended with a Top 100 RPI despite going 4-14 in conference speaks to that and broadly highlights the critical impact the OOC SOS can have.

Which makes this year's schedule really confusing. Were they expecting a regression in talent on roster and wanted softer landing for overall record irrespective of postseason play? Especially in an era where doing well (but having margin for error) against a strong OOC seems to be valued more than running the table against cupcakes (with little margin for error) by the Selection Committee, this is a really odd approach that could genuinely compromise NCAA chances. Why volunteer to have minimal margin for error, any hiccups will almost certainly hurt, and even if there are no hiccups it still may be viewed as a demerit? That's almost lose-lose-lose, and this program has just been nowhere near good enough to not optimize stuff like this that should be pretty well within its control.

All that said, schedules in August aren't always as good/bad as they end up looking in February, hopefully the conference is strong and one or more of Rutgers/Cal/GT/VCU/Temple surprise, and SJU wins enough games for neither of those things to matter much.
 
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[quote="SJU1512" post=292497]Think the question as is so often the case with this program is what is the plan?

Two years ago off a 1-17 Big East season we played games 3-6 at Minnesota and in a loaded Bahamas tourney. Actually played well enough to win in first 3 of those games but couldn't close, understand staff may have felt it needed to elevate overall/recruiting profile with Bahamas trip, but that felt like biting off more than team was ready to chew. Hindsight 20/20, but in retrospect program wasn't ready in Year 2 of a total rebuild for a Top 50 schedule and that respectable 7-11 in conference number didn't look as great against 6-7 OOC.

Thought the schedule last year was well done, don't know that they thought it would be Top 15, but it was a strong schedule that seemed to fit where program thought they'd be if healthy in Year 3. 11-2 against that OOC was elite, and that SJU ended with a Top 100 RPI despite going 4-14 in conference speaks to that and broadly highlights the critical impact the OOC SOS can have.

Which makes this year's schedule really confusing. Were they expecting a regression in talent on roster and wanted softer landing for overall record irrespective of postseason play? Especially in an era where doing well (but having margin for error) against a strong OOC seems to be valued more than running the table against cupcakes (with little margin for error) by the Selection Committee, this is a really odd approach that could genuinely compromise NCAA chances. Why volunteer to have minimal margin for error, any hiccups will almost certainly hurt, and even if there are no hiccups it still may be viewed as a demerit? That's almost lose-lose-lose, and this program has just been nowhere near good enough to not optimize stuff like this that should be pretty well within its control.

All that said, schedules in August aren't always as good/bad as they end up looking in February, hopefully the conference is strong and one or more of Rutgers/Cal/GT/VCU/Temple surprise, and SJU wins enough games for neither of those things to matter much.[/quote]

You hit the nail right on the head at the end of your last paragraph SJU1512. Let's just root for them to win enough games where none of these things matter much except for seeding. That's where we are unfortunately.
 
[quote="SJU1512" post=292497]Think the question as is so often the case with this program is what is the plan?

Two years ago off a 1-17 Big East season we played games 3-6 at Minnesota and in a loaded Bahamas tourney. Actually played well enough to win in first 3 of those games but couldn't close, understand staff may have felt it needed to elevate overall/recruiting profile with Bahamas trip, but that felt like biting off more than team was ready to chew. Hindsight 20/20, but in retrospect program wasn't ready in Year 2 of a total rebuild for a Top 50 schedule and that respectable 7-11 in conference number didn't look as great against 6-7 OOC.

Thought the schedule last year was well done, don't know that they thought it would be Top 15, but it was a strong schedule that seemed to fit where program thought they'd be if healthy in Year 3. 11-2 against that OOC was elite, and that SJU ended with a Top 100 RPI despite going 4-14 in conference speaks to that and broadly highlights the critical impact the OOC SOS can have.

Which makes this year's schedule really confusing. Were they expecting a regression in talent on roster and wanted softer landing for overall record irrespective of postseason play? Especially in an era where doing well (but having margin for error) against a strong OOC seems to be valued more than running the table against cupcakes (with little margin for error) by the Selection Committee, this is a really odd approach that could genuinely compromise NCAA chances. Why volunteer to have minimal margin for error, any hiccups will almost certainly hurt, and even if there are no hiccups it still may be viewed as a demerit? That's almost lose-lose-lose, and this program has just been nowhere near good enough to not optimize stuff like this that should be pretty well within its control.

All that said, schedules in August aren't always as good/bad as they end up looking in February, hopefully the conference is strong and one or more of Rutgers/Cal/GT/VCU/Temple surprise, and SJU wins enough games for neither of those things to matter much.[/quote]

Good analysis. Actually if you search these forums you will find a lot of complaining prior to last season about the schedule. And it turned out to be one of the toughest in the country. I'm not happy about this year's schedule either, but let's see how it plays out.
 
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