2018/19 Schedule
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Windy City Johnny Fan
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[quote="Mean Gene" post=292175]If we can win at Duke and finish with one loss out of conference and top 3 in conference the weak schedule will not mean that much come selection time. I think it's a good possibility if Heron is eligible.[/quote]
If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.
If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292176][quote="Mean Gene" post=292175]If we can win at Duke and finish with one loss out of conference and top 3 in conference the weak schedule will not mean that much come selection time. I think it's a good possibility if Heron is eligible.[/quote]
If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.[/quote]
That's why it's unbelievable how they came out with this schedule. Even if we finally do have a good year and we appear to be on the right side of the bubble, our major theme will be "are they for real?" due to who we played in OOC. Dick Vitale is already giving negative national press on Twitter saying we are in the running for his "Cupcake City" award. When fans seem to know more than coaches it's scary. It doesn't take being Jay Bilas or Dick Vitale to understand what type of schedule you should have. The only way this is excusable is if we called all of the real nationally relevant programs and they all said no, but I have a hard time believing that. No we have not been good, but we offer NYC and MSG as the stage on national TV and you would think someone would bite. We are supposed to be pretty good this year so we can't use being bad last year as an excuse.
If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.[/quote]
That's why it's unbelievable how they came out with this schedule. Even if we finally do have a good year and we appear to be on the right side of the bubble, our major theme will be "are they for real?" due to who we played in OOC. Dick Vitale is already giving negative national press on Twitter saying we are in the running for his "Cupcake City" award. When fans seem to know more than coaches it's scary. It doesn't take being Jay Bilas or Dick Vitale to understand what type of schedule you should have. The only way this is excusable is if we called all of the real nationally relevant programs and they all said no, but I have a hard time believing that. No we have not been good, but we offer NYC and MSG as the stage on national TV and you would think someone would bite. We are supposed to be pretty good this year so we can't use being bad last year as an excuse.
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=292149]I think a lot of people are missing the fact that we have been horrific for 3 years now. A lot of scheduling is done in advance. Like it or not we have been no better than Rutgers, Cal, GT, etc. Teams we are complaining that we have scheduled. Why should we expect other schools to hurt their OOC schedule by putting us on there?[/quote]
Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.
Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.
Windy City Johnny Fan
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[quote="Room112" post=292193][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=292149]I think a lot of people are missing the fact that we have been horrific for 3 years now. A lot of scheduling is done in advance. Like it or not we have been no better than Rutgers, Cal, GT, etc. Teams we are complaining that we have scheduled. Why should we expect other schools to hurt their OOC schedule by putting us on there?[/quote]
Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.[/quote]
The problem is not the Rutgers, GTech's, Cal's of the world. I agree some of those games are scheduled in advance and hard to predict where those teams will be when the games roll around (other than maybe Rutgers
. The problem is the bottom of the schedule - FOUR (capital letters used for emphasis) home games against 300+ kenpom teams from last year? Why? There is absolutely no benefit. None. Those teams are horrific, there isn't really a reason to schedule one, let alone FOUR (again, for emphasis). There is no justification, no excuse, it is just bad. Period. So teams with at large aspirations don't want to play us? Fine, instead of scheduling FOUR high school JV teams, where is Iona, or Monmouth, Hofstra, Rider, Canisuis, Albany, Buffalo or any number of other 100+ kenpom teams that wouldn't be embarrassing to see on the schedule. Just ludicrous.
Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.[/quote]
The problem is not the Rutgers, GTech's, Cal's of the world. I agree some of those games are scheduled in advance and hard to predict where those teams will be when the games roll around (other than maybe Rutgers
. The problem is the bottom of the schedule - FOUR (capital letters used for emphasis) home games against 300+ kenpom teams from last year? Why? There is absolutely no benefit. None. Those teams are horrific, there isn't really a reason to schedule one, let alone FOUR (again, for emphasis). There is no justification, no excuse, it is just bad. Period. So teams with at large aspirations don't want to play us? Fine, instead of scheduling FOUR high school JV teams, where is Iona, or Monmouth, Hofstra, Rider, Canisuis, Albany, Buffalo or any number of other 100+ kenpom teams that wouldn't be embarrassing to see on the schedule. Just ludicrous.
postell25
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[quote="Room112" post=292193][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=292149]I think a lot of people are missing the fact that we have been horrific for 3 years now. A lot of scheduling is done in advance. Like it or not we have been no better than Rutgers, Cal, GT, etc. Teams we are complaining that we have scheduled. Why should we expect other schools to hurt their OOC schedule by putting us on there?[/quote]
Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.[/quote]
I don't agree with that. I think our expectations have been lowered from being a perennial fixture in the NCAA Tournament to a team that we hope scores an at-large birth more years than not. A schedule like this gives us no wiggle room for a slip up and that's a lot of pressure to put on a team.
Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.[/quote]
I don't agree with that. I think our expectations have been lowered from being a perennial fixture in the NCAA Tournament to a team that we hope scores an at-large birth more years than not. A schedule like this gives us no wiggle room for a slip up and that's a lot of pressure to put on a team.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=292189][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292176][quote="Mean Gene" post=292175]If we can win at Duke and finish with one loss out of conference and top 3 in conference the weak schedule will not mean that much come selection time. I think it's a good possibility if Heron is eligible.[/quote]
If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.[/quote]
That's why it's unbelievable how they came out with this schedule. Even if we finally do have a good year and we appear to be on the right side of the bubble, our major theme will be "are they for real?" due to who we played in OOC. Dick Vitale is already giving negative national press on Twitter saying we are in the running for his "Cupcake City" award. When fans seem to know more than coaches it's scary. It doesn't take being Jay Bilas or Dick Vitale to understand what type of schedule you should have. The only way this is excusable is if we called all of the real nationally relevant programs and they all said no, but I have a hard time believing that. No we have not been good, but we offer NYC and MSG as the stage on national TV and you would think someone would bite. We are supposed to be pretty good this year so we can't use being bad last year as an excuse.[/quote]
Mike and Windy City, I hear what both of you are saying and I agree. But, the fact of the matter is we can't change it now. So, what I am saying is that, if we can get Heron eligible and pull of the win at Duke and finish top 3 in conference the schedule will not matter. Especially if we make to the championship game of the Big East Tournament. The selection committee can not deny a 25 win Big East team an at large bid. I agree that it should not have come to this but this is what it is and I think that it's achievable if Heron is eligible. If they can't finish top 3 in conference and beat Duke it's going to be tough for them to get an at large bid short of winning the Big East Tournament. although , I think Temple is going to be much better than people think as far as their ranking.
If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.[/quote]
That's why it's unbelievable how they came out with this schedule. Even if we finally do have a good year and we appear to be on the right side of the bubble, our major theme will be "are they for real?" due to who we played in OOC. Dick Vitale is already giving negative national press on Twitter saying we are in the running for his "Cupcake City" award. When fans seem to know more than coaches it's scary. It doesn't take being Jay Bilas or Dick Vitale to understand what type of schedule you should have. The only way this is excusable is if we called all of the real nationally relevant programs and they all said no, but I have a hard time believing that. No we have not been good, but we offer NYC and MSG as the stage on national TV and you would think someone would bite. We are supposed to be pretty good this year so we can't use being bad last year as an excuse.[/quote]
Mike and Windy City, I hear what both of you are saying and I agree. But, the fact of the matter is we can't change it now. So, what I am saying is that, if we can get Heron eligible and pull of the win at Duke and finish top 3 in conference the schedule will not matter. Especially if we make to the championship game of the Big East Tournament. The selection committee can not deny a 25 win Big East team an at large bid. I agree that it should not have come to this but this is what it is and I think that it's achievable if Heron is eligible. If they can't finish top 3 in conference and beat Duke it's going to be tough for them to get an at large bid short of winning the Big East Tournament. although , I think Temple is going to be much better than people think as far as their ranking.
To be clear I don't like the schedule. It's unfair to other Big East teams, who are SJUs partners as they will need to be the ones to boost the Confernces rating. But I expect that to happen. At the end of the day we could easily play 14 conference games against Top 100 teams and Duke is a lock. That's 15. Our OOC was very strong last year and we did well in it. Forget the NCAAs we didn't even make the NIT. We know why. Mullin has a point with his comment.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.
After seeing an SJU/Iona game up close and personal last year I don't care if I ever see another one. I equate the difference between playing Iona or Hofstra versus playing St. Francis or Mt. St. Mary's as the difference between eating cat food or dog food. Neither will ever be mistaken for a lobster roll.
[quote="IDRAFT" post=292200]After seeing an SJU/Iona game up close and personal last year I don't care if I ever see another one. I equate the difference between playing Iona or Hofstra versus playing St. Francis or Mt. St. Mary's as the difference between eating cat food or dog food. Neither will ever be mistaken for a lobster roll.[/quote]
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.
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[quote="Adam" post=292203][quote="IDRAFT" post=292200]After seeing an SJU/Iona game up close and personal last year I don't care if I ever see another one. I equate the difference between playing Iona or Hofstra versus playing St. Francis or Mt. St. Mary's as the difference between eating cat food or dog food. Neither will ever be mistaken for a lobster roll.[/quote]
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.[/quote]
No one is defending the schedule. But Iona stressful? That's not how I saw that game.
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.[/quote]
No one is defending the schedule. But Iona stressful? That's not how I saw that game.
[quote="IDRAFT" post=292199]To be clear I don't like the schedule. It's unfair to other Big East teams, who are SJUs partners as they will need to be the ones to boost the Confernces rating. But I expect that to happen. At the end of the day we could easily play 14 conference games against Top 100 teams and Duke is a lock. That's 15. Our OOC was very strong last year and we did well in it. Forget the NCAAs we didn't even make the NIT. We know why. Mullin has a point with his comment.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.
[quote="IDRAFT" post=292207][quote="Adam" post=292203][quote="IDRAFT" post=292200]After seeing an SJU/Iona game up close and personal last year I don't care if I ever see another one. I equate the difference between playing Iona or Hofstra versus playing St. Francis or Mt. St. Mary's as the difference between eating cat food or dog food. Neither will ever be mistaken for a lobster roll.[/quote]
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.[/quote]
No one is defending the schedule. But Iona stressful? That's not how I saw that game.[/quote]
The Iona game wasn't a blowout like most the mid majors we played, so I assumed that's why you said that. I thought you were nervous about losing a game like that. Otherwise, what's the point in not playing them? As a fan you might be just as bored playing Iona as vs St. Francis, but the Selection Committee cares about results and an Iona win helps with our RPI. I don't see any downside at all in playing a decent mid major rather than a garbage one. Only a clear upside.
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.[/quote]
No one is defending the schedule. But Iona stressful? That's not how I saw that game.[/quote]
The Iona game wasn't a blowout like most the mid majors we played, so I assumed that's why you said that. I thought you were nervous about losing a game like that. Otherwise, what's the point in not playing them? As a fan you might be just as bored playing Iona as vs St. Francis, but the Selection Committee cares about results and an Iona win helps with our RPI. I don't see any downside at all in playing a decent mid major rather than a garbage one. Only a clear upside.
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Have to agree with the posters preferring games vs A10 teams rather than local clubs. The days of local rivalries are over and none of these teams can sell tickets. For whatever reasons the days of college basketball in NYC ended years ago. Only SJU can attract even a reasonable amount of interest.
Windy City Johnny Fan
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[quote="Adam" post=292209][quote="IDRAFT" post=292207][quote="Adam" post=292203][quote="IDRAFT" post=292200]After seeing an SJU/Iona game up close and personal last year I don't care if I ever see another one. I equate the difference between playing Iona or Hofstra versus playing St. Francis or Mt. St. Mary's as the difference between eating cat food or dog food. Neither will ever be mistaken for a lobster roll.[/quote]
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.[/quote]
No one is defending the schedule. But Iona stressful? That's not how I saw that game.[/quote]
The Iona game wasn't a blowout like most the mid majors we played, so I assumed that's why you said that. I thought you were nervous about losing a game like that. Otherwise, what's the point in not playing them? As a fan you might be just as bored playing Iona as vs St. Francis, but the Selection Committee cares about results and an Iona win helps with our RPI. I don't see any downside at all in playing a decent mid major rather than a garbage one. Only a clear upside.[/quote]
Exactly. Look at a game like Grand Caynon last year. The average fan probably sees no difference in that game vs. Sodapop Junction Tech or whoever the hell we're playing this year. But Grand Canyon had a respectable 121 kenpom last year - huge difference than playing teams in the 320's (or worse).
Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.
I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?
Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.[/quote]
No one is defending the schedule. But Iona stressful? That's not how I saw that game.[/quote]
The Iona game wasn't a blowout like most the mid majors we played, so I assumed that's why you said that. I thought you were nervous about losing a game like that. Otherwise, what's the point in not playing them? As a fan you might be just as bored playing Iona as vs St. Francis, but the Selection Committee cares about results and an Iona win helps with our RPI. I don't see any downside at all in playing a decent mid major rather than a garbage one. Only a clear upside.[/quote]
Exactly. Look at a game like Grand Caynon last year. The average fan probably sees no difference in that game vs. Sodapop Junction Tech or whoever the hell we're playing this year. But Grand Canyon had a respectable 121 kenpom last year - huge difference than playing teams in the 320's (or worse).
[quote="bamafan" post=292208][quote="IDRAFT" post=292199]To be clear I don't like the schedule. It's unfair to other Big East teams, who are SJUs partners as they will need to be the ones to boost the Confernces rating. But I expect that to happen. At the end of the day we could easily play 14 conference games against Top 100 teams and Duke is a lock. That's 15. Our OOC was very strong last year and we did well in it. Forget the NCAAs we didn't even make the NIT. We know why. Mullin has a point with his comment.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.[/quote]
The relevance is the hardest part of our schedule will always be in conference. And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine. if we come in ninth it won't matter if we had one or two more wins against Top 100 teams.
One more game against a top team would make sense. It should have been scheduled. But when all is said and done our overall schedule will allow for plenty of opportunities to win meaningful games. All we have to do is win them.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.[/quote]
The relevance is the hardest part of our schedule will always be in conference. And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine. if we come in ninth it won't matter if we had one or two more wins against Top 100 teams.
One more game against a top team would make sense. It should have been scheduled. But when all is said and done our overall schedule will allow for plenty of opportunities to win meaningful games. All we have to do is win them.
On a side note, does anybody know who actually makes the schedule? Does Mullin have a significant input? I assume it's a group of people who make it. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic here, I am just legitimately confused as to how they could mess this up so badly. Are they seriously not aware of SOS/RPI in 2018? Nearly every fan on this board could put together a far better schedule than this.
Windy City Johnny Fan
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[quote="IDRAFT" post=292212][quote="bamafan" post=292208][quote="IDRAFT" post=292199]To be clear I don't like the schedule. It's unfair to other Big East teams, who are SJUs partners as they will need to be the ones to boost the Confernces rating. But I expect that to happen. At the end of the day we could easily play 14 conference games against Top 100 teams and Duke is a lock. That's 15. Our OOC was very strong last year and we did well in it. Forget the NCAAs we didn't even make the NIT. We know why. Mullin has a point with his comment.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.[/quote]
The relevance is the hardest part of our schedule will always be in conference. And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine. if we come in ninth it won't matter if we had one or two more wins against Top 100 teams.
One more game against a top team would make sense. It should have been scheduled. But when all is said and done our overall schedule will allow for plenty of opportunities to win meaningful games. All we have to do is win them.[/quote]
"And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine." - The evidence simply does not support that statement in what many are expecting to be a rebuilding year for the conference.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.[/quote]
The relevance is the hardest part of our schedule will always be in conference. And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine. if we come in ninth it won't matter if we had one or two more wins against Top 100 teams.
One more game against a top team would make sense. It should have been scheduled. But when all is said and done our overall schedule will allow for plenty of opportunities to win meaningful games. All we have to do is win them.[/quote]
"And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine." - The evidence simply does not support that statement in what many are expecting to be a rebuilding year for the conference.
[quote="Adam" post=292213]On a side note, does anybody know who actually makes the schedule? Does Mullin have a significant input? I assume it's a group of people who make it. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic here, I am just legitimately confused as to how they could mess this up so badly. Are they seriously not aware of SOS/RPI in 2018? Nearly every fan on this board could put together a far better schedule than this.[/quote]
Last year Dan Matic did it as I now understand and Greg SJ this time. Mullin of course would sign off on it I assume.
Last year Dan Matic did it as I now understand and Greg SJ this time. Mullin of course would sign off on it I assume.
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292214][quote="IDRAFT" post=292212][quote="bamafan" post=292208][quote="IDRAFT" post=292199]To be clear I don't like the schedule. It's unfair to other Big East teams, who are SJUs partners as they will need to be the ones to boost the Confernces rating. But I expect that to happen. At the end of the day we could easily play 14 conference games against Top 100 teams and Duke is a lock. That's 15. Our OOC was very strong last year and we did well in it. Forget the NCAAs we didn't even make the NIT. We know why. Mullin has a point with his comment.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.[/quote]
The relevance is the hardest part of our schedule will always be in conference. And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine. if we come in ninth it won't matter if we had one or two more wins against Top 100 teams.
One more game against a top team would make sense. It should have been scheduled. But when all is said and done our overall schedule will allow for plenty of opportunities to win meaningful games. All we have to do is win them.[/quote]
"And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine." - The evidence simply does not support that statement in what many are expecting to be a rebuilding year for the conference.[/quote]
Sorry I have seen no evidence. I took a look at Syracuse OOC from last year. They played and beat Maryland, Georgetown and UCONN. Lost to Kansas. Those were the notable teams. Went 8-10 in conference. Made the NCAAs.
Georgia Tech and Cal are basically Georgetown and UCONN last year. We can lose to Duke just as easily as they lost to Kansas. And top five inthe Big East will do better than 8-10. So if the BE is really down, which is said every year here in the summer (during the annual complaining about the schedule) 11-7 in the BE should still match 8-10.
That's evidence. On the other hand is non fact based opinions. I have not seen one example laying things out for that from anyone, including Braziller or Vitale.
The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.[/quote]
Where is the relevance between doing well in last year's relatively tough out of conference schedule and not making even the NIT. We didn't make even the NIT because we went 14-19 not because our success in a tough non-conference schedule didn't help us. To call this years non-conference schedule piss poor is to do a disservice to piss. Resembles Georgetown's joke of a non-conference schedule. Hopefully we have a good season, recruit well and have a much better schedule next year. Need at least on name MSG OOC game every year.[/quote]
The relevance is the hardest part of our schedule will always be in conference. And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine. if we come in ninth it won't matter if we had one or two more wins against Top 100 teams.
One more game against a top team would make sense. It should have been scheduled. But when all is said and done our overall schedule will allow for plenty of opportunities to win meaningful games. All we have to do is win them.[/quote]
"And if we go top five in this conference we will be fine." - The evidence simply does not support that statement in what many are expecting to be a rebuilding year for the conference.[/quote]
Sorry I have seen no evidence. I took a look at Syracuse OOC from last year. They played and beat Maryland, Georgetown and UCONN. Lost to Kansas. Those were the notable teams. Went 8-10 in conference. Made the NCAAs.
Georgia Tech and Cal are basically Georgetown and UCONN last year. We can lose to Duke just as easily as they lost to Kansas. And top five inthe Big East will do better than 8-10. So if the BE is really down, which is said every year here in the summer (during the annual complaining about the schedule) 11-7 in the BE should still match 8-10.
That's evidence. On the other hand is non fact based opinions. I have not seen one example laying things out for that from anyone, including Braziller or Vitale.