@Marquette, Sat., Mar. 4, 2p, FOX

AlBovino said:
The only athletic players on the team are Jones and Storr, Just because you play hard (Posh & Wusu) doesn't make you athletic. I totally agree with you that there has to be limits, boundaries and clearly defined roles for each player, and that is the responsibility of the coaching staff.

I am tired of all the blame for the lack of success of this team being placed solely on the coach when the players are equally to blame. Those who blame losses on the coach's use of time outs are just nitpicking. There are many more important things wrong with our performances than when or whether the coach calls a time out. We have lost no games because of when a time out was called or not called.

Also, teams that have a track record like we have over the last 20 years, cannot easily recruit the quality of players the coach or the fans would like to recruit. So blaming the coach for the players poor performances because he is responsible for recruiting them is disingenuous. Again, there are many more important negative aspects to our coach's performance this year than blaming him for the quality of his recruits. The poor performance of the team this year is equally the fault of the coach and the players.
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying and in general very much agree that’s fans are too quick to point to everything wrong as the coaches fault. But we have blown several double digit leads, leads we got with those same players. That to me points more towards a coaching failure. I don’t think you can say with absolute certainty that his timeout usage or lack there of hasn’t lost us any games when there were occasions he let a double-digit digit lead slip away before callin one.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
I agree with a lot of what you are saying and in general very much agree that’s fans are too quick to point to everything wrong as the coaches fault. But we have blown several double digit leads, leads we got with those same players. That to me points more towards a coaching failure. I don’t think you can say with absolute certainty that his timeout usage or lack there of hasn’t lost us any games when there were occasions he let a double-digit digit lead slip away before callin one.
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This team has no set rotations at the end of the season. No one knows their roles to help the team succeed. Some structure from the coaches and this team might of made the tournament. It all lays at the coaches feet. He failed the kids and that is how I see it.
 
Rocket said:
Mike Jarvis was eventually shown to be a fraud. He inherited a few Fran Fraschilla recruits and had success in his first two years. Then he started looking for greener pastures just as Fran did and his recruiting left a lot to be desired. You mentioned Eric King, a 6'7 physically imposing kid from the city and the kid's growth was stifled by Jarvis and he eventually transferred to Tennessee State. I'm sure King had a talent ceiling and other issues but you hate to lose talented local kids.
Jarvis and his premature firing by an incompetent administration is what set this program back to its current nadire under Mike Anderson who needs top 4 star talent to overcome his obvious lack of X and O skills. He will always be what we see now. A decent coach who will lead his teams to the middle bottom of the conference. The quintessential sacrificial lamb for the top half of the Big East.

As for this current team, it is full of faults at almost every position. Yes, Soriano has been a pleasant surprise and we finally have a traditional Center at a time when traditional centers have become more mobile, ball handlers and better shooters. Unfortunately, Soriano falls short of the current standard.
Our point guards which was supposed to be our greatest strength has become a dysfunctional disaster.
Anderson has failed to integrate David Jones into his system and he now comes off the bench. Rafael Pinzon obviously doesn't get it and publicly said so.
AJ Storr was given a slow entry in favor of playing Posh Alexander out of position at the shooting guard.
Finally, this so-called defensive minded coach has one of the least minded and dedicated teams to the art of playing defense.
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Alexander playing shooting guard had nothing to do with Storr’s minutes. I’d say it was Mathis’s injury that paved the way for Storr to get more PT. And Mathis was one of our more athletic players.
 
AlBovino said:
The only athletic players on the team are Jones and Storr, Just because you play hard (Posh & Wusu) doesn't make you athletic. I totally agree with you that there has to be limits, boundaries and clearly defined roles for each player, and that is the responsibility of the coaching staff.

I am tired of all the blame for the lack of success of this team being placed solely on the coach when the players are equally to blame. Those who blame losses on the coach's use of time outs are just nitpicking. There are many more important things wrong with our performances than when or whether the coach calls a time out. We have lost no games because of when a time out was called or not called.

Also, teams that have a track record like we have over the last 20 years, cannot easily recruit the quality of players the coach or the fans would like to recruit. So blaming the coach for the players poor performances because he is responsible for recruiting them is disingenuous. Again, there are many more important negative aspects to our coach's performance this year than blaming him for the quality of his recruits. The poor performance of the team this year is equally the fault of the coach and the players.
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Nah.

College coaches have almost complete autonomy over their program - a luxury that baseball managers, NFL coaches, NBA coaches, NFL coaches, etc would love to have. See Bill Parcell's famous remark about being a chef that can't pick his own ingredients.

They choose their entire staff (within a budget often negotiated as part of a contract). They may not make their schedule but they have a lot of input. And most importantly they recruit the players who play for them.

Player X isn't listening? Well, you recruited him. Player Z can't hit a jumper by senior year? Well, you recruited him AND coached him.

So there's only one place where the buck stops in college ball.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
I agree with a lot of what you are saying and in general very much agree that’s fans are too quick to point to everything wrong as the coaches fault. But we have blown several double digit leads, leads we got with those same players. That to me points more towards a coaching failure. I don’t think you can say with absolute certainty that his timeout usage or lack there of hasn’t lost us any games when there were occasions he let a double-digit digit lead slip away before callin one.
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There are a myriad of reasons for blowing double digit leads and not calling tme outs is one of the least egregious. The major reasons for blowing those leads has to do with poor substitution patterns and unbalanced offensive and defensive makeup of the 5 players on the floor (coaching). Other major reasons has to do with the lack of player talent on this team. I recall many games where we were in the hole 5/10 minutes into the game and never recovered. So that would be poor play by the starters. There were also many times when we started the game well and couldn't hold leads in the 2nd half. This was due to both poor coaching and poor play by the players.
 
MainMan said:
Nah.

College coaches have almost complete autonomy over their program - a luxury that baseball managers, NFL coaches, NBA coaches, NFL coaches, etc would love to have. See Bill Parcell's famous remark about being a chef that can't pick his own ingredients.

They choose their entire staff (within a budget often negotiated as part of a contract). They may not make their schedule but they have a lot of input. And most importantly they recruit the players who play for them.

Player X isn't listening? Well, you recruited him. Player Z can't hit a jumper by senior year? Well, you recruited him AND coached him.

So there's only one place where the buck stops in college ball.
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MainMan said:
Nah.

College coaches have almost complete autonomy over their program - a luxury that baseball managers, NFL coaches, NBA coaches, NFL coaches, etc would love to have. See Bill Parcell's famous remark about being a chef that can't pick his own ingredients.

They choose their entire staff (within a budget often negotiated as part of a contract). They may not make their schedule but they have a lot of input. And most importantly they recruit the players who play for them.

Player X isn't listening? Well, you recruited him. Player Z can't hit a jumper by senior year? Well, you recruited him AND coached him.

So there's only one place where the buck stops in college ball.
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Very idealistic and naive.
 
MainMan said:
Nah.

You're just trying to make things more complicated than they are.

If you choose the ingredients and cook the meal, and it turns out to be very bad, you can't blame the oregano.
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But do you never try to cook the same meal again or try again with different ingredients/better meal prep?
 
AlBovino said:
The only athletic players on the team are Jones and Storr, Just because you play hard (Posh & Wusu) doesn't make you athletic. I totally agree with you that there has to be limits, boundaries and clearly defined roles for each player, and that is the responsibility of the coaching staff.

I am tired of all the blame for the lack of success of this team being placed solely on the coach when the players are equally to blame. Those who blame losses on the coach's use of time outs are just nitpicking. There are many more important things wrong with our performances than when or whether the coach calls a time out. We have lost no games because of when a time out was called or not called.

Also, teams that have a track record like we have over the last 20 years, cannot easily recruit the quality of players the coach or the fans would like to recruit. So blaming the coach for the players poor performances because he is responsible for recruiting them is disingenuous. Again, there are many more important negative aspects to our coach's performance this year than blaming him for the quality of his recruits. The poor performance of the team this year is equally the fault of the coach and the players.
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I am sorry but WHAT???

Do you think he should return and be given another chance, because that is what you seem to be implying. "Let's fire the players and keep the coach." Well, we've seen quite a bit of that on his watch and it hasn't changed one thing.

When you have the amount of turnover he has had since he got here (and I understand you want your players and some of the others might not have fit his style or personality having been recruited by someone else) and it is still not working, it might be time to look in the mirror and say "Hey, maybe it's me!"

I know the difference between playing hard and being athletic. We have more athletic guys than Jones and Storr and Posh is not "unathletic". Not sure your definition of athletic is the same as mine and mine doesn't start with "playing hard".

The buck stops with the coach, period. Yes, you can blame the players if they are not performing but too many times they look like lost sheep with no direction. It is the coach's job to get the players and put them in the position where they can succeed. Every one of these players were recruited by this head coach. He himself came out and expressed how good he thought this team would be. It's not.

I am not buying the "I coached good but boy these guys played bad!" theme. While there is blame to go around, most of it falls in the lap of the head coach.

There are so many things to pick on him regarding his in-game strategy and adjustments along with game preparation but his "deer in the headlights" look of not knowing when a run is happening against his team and knowing how this team operates, that he should call a timeout is on him. Is that the only reason we are losing, no, but it sure doesn't help.

Quite frankly, I don't harp on his timeouts, I harp on his many other failures including not being able to adjust and adapt. His way is not working and he is clueless on how to make it work consistently.

While I don't expect five stars to be throwing themselves at us, it is his job to get players who can and will compete and coach them. Have a plan and execute it and always have a contingency plan. We have twenty plus of bad seasons, subpar facilities and a lack luster home court advantage to overcome. He was hired to do just that but it hasn't worked out. His bad coaching just makes it worst.

Lastly, they have been warning signs most have ignored. We can all talk about the head case Moore was and the lawsuit is sour grapes but I will say, there was almost a mutiny at halftime of a game and that stems from more than just a minor disagreement.

This Coach must go!!!!
 
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Section9 said:
He didn't deserve to be fired mid season, he deserved to be fired long before that.
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He brought it on himself with his direct insubordination and other acts of defiance at the end of his tenure which led to his ouster. a Quite frankly I am not sure if it wasn't planned on his part.
 
Marquette, smallish Catholic school in an antiquated Midwest city with not much going for it. Now they have their share of MBB tradition and great players, but are not a blue blood or elite.

Their new coach comes in and BOOM!!, what a difference a good coach makes. First year success, then this year, Picked 9th, win outright, and now if we survive Butler Wednesday we get them on Thursday, lucky us. Can we switch coaches between now and then? asking for MMaherjr.

Having said that --- watch, we beat them on Saturday! (JK)
 
SJU85 said:
He brought it on himself with his direct insubordination and other acts of defiance at the end of his tenure which led to his ouster. a Quite frankly I am not sure if it wasn't planned on his part.
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He was such a sleaze, you're probably right.
 
Excellent post !
SJU85 said:
I am sorry but WHAT???

Do you think he should return and be given another chance, because that is what you seem to be implying. "Let's fire the players and keep the coach." Well, we've seen quite a bit of that on his watch and it hasn't changed one thing.

When you have the amount of turnover he has had since he got here (and I understand you want your players and some of the others might not have fit his style or personality having been recruited by someone else) and it is still not working, it might be time to look in the mirror and say "Hey, maybe it's me!"

I know the difference between playing hard and being athletic. We have more athletic guys than Jones and Storr and Posh is not "unathletic". Not sure your definition of athletic is the same as mine and mine doesn't start with "playing hard".

The buck stops with the coach, period. Yes, you can blame the players if they are not performing but too many times they look like lost sheep with no direction. It is the coach's job to get the players and put them in the position where they can succeed. Every one of these players were recruited by this head coach. He himself came out and expressed how good he thought this team would be. It's not.

I am not buying the "I coached good but boy these guys played bad!" theme. While there is blame to go around, most of it falls in the lap of the head coach.

There are so many things to pick on him regarding his in-game strategy and adjustments along with game preparation but his "deer in the headlights" look of not knowing when a run is happening against his team and knowing how this team operates, that he should call a timeout is on him. Is that the only reason we are losing, no, but it sure doesn't help.

Quite frankly, I don't harp on his timeouts, I harp on his many other failures including not being able to adjust and adapt. His way is not working and he is clueless on how to make it work consistently.

While I don't expect five stars to be throwing themselves at us, it is his job to get players who can and will compete and coach them. Have a plan and execute it and always have a contingency plan. We have twenty plus of bad seasons, subpar facilities and a lack luster home court advantage to overcome. He was hired to do just that but it hasn't worked out. His bad coaching just makes it worst.

Lastly, they have been warning signs most have ignored. We can all talk about the head case Moore was and the lawsuit is sour grapes but I will say, there was almost a mutiny at halftime of a game and that stems from more than just a minor disagreement.

This Coach must go!!!!
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Excellent Post!
 
Boo Harvey said:
Alexander playing shooting guard had nothing to do with Storr’s minutes. I’d say it was Mathis’s injury that paved the way for Storr to get more PT. And Mathis was one of our more athletic players.
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Let's put it another way then........Posh was not, is not and will never be a shooting guard. He either should have started at the point or come off the bench to sub for Andre Curbelo who is the better distributor when he plays team ball. Mathis, before his injury, was also played out of position as a very small forward. Either he or Storr should have been splitting time at the 2 or 3 positions.
Thus juxtaposition of positions inadvertently led to dysfunctionality of the 1, 2 and 3 positions and has plagued the team to this day.
Knowing "who to play" and "when" is yet another deficiency of this coach.
 
I just watched Xavier take it to Providence. They are another team nobody's going to want to play.
 
Saturday at 2:00 PM, I should be joining MJMaherJr at Costco watching the rotisserie chicken and eating free samples at the free sample tables.

Instead, I'll be watching Fox Sports and hoping for a miracle. Let's somehow pull out a victory against a team which already clinched the regular season title and may be looking passed us. I also believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.

I'll be at MSG Wednesday figuring if we beat a very beatable Butler team, that the Golden Eagles better watch out for the Johnnies at Noon on Thursday. Hopes and dreams, people, hopes and dreams.
 
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