Your prediction re: St. John's Win/ loss record is

I think that if this team can improve in 3 point shooting and with a true PG and another three point threat we might be able to get some 3s that will keep us in some games we would have been a blow up last year. This team has a true shot blocker a long lengthy wing that is a walking highlight reel. Sanchez who probably is the most ready of anybody, I mean he is 24 played on the DR national team and is crazy athletic (look at Sampsons dunk, that rainbow over his head, not an easy thing to do). We make up for the loss of Moe in point, rebounding, and some. We have a team that can see at least 10 guys play every game easy. Moe might have gone pro but, the number 1 scorer is still here. He wants to go Pro and he is going to have to show he deserves it if he wants to leave this year.

D'lo is gonna try and go off. He wants 20+ points a game, he wants assist, he wants steals. He needs to be talked about if he really wants to go pro and I think he will go all out this year and try to make that dream happen sooner rather than later.

Sampson I see give us some trouble. Doing some Sean Evan type things like try a crazy dunk and miss it.But, it should go away as Big East play comes around.

Sanchez is my vote for starting center. He looks bigger than Gift and I think he is more prepared.

This year I have a feel that St John's will make some noise. They will have a bad loss or two before second semester. Hopefully get some confidence after a few Big East wins and pull of an upset against a top Big East opponent. They might hit a bit of a losing streak in the middle of conference play but, will close the season with 5 wins sweeping ND and DePaul splitting with Rutgers and Georgetown. But thats just what im thinking
 
 Man, I can't wait to see this board when we get into conference play. All I'm saying is that our incoming class has never played major college basketball. Never. You act as if there is no transition from high school to a MAJOR conference in D1. There obviously is. We will see what happens and like I said, I hope most of you are right. My gut just tells me not to get my hopes up.
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Jakarr played at one of the top prep schools in the nation, was player of the year and I believe Brewster only lost one game.

Obekpa racked up championships and MVP awards in almost every tournament he was apart of.

Everyone seems to feel that Christian Jones was under-recruited and on par with a Top 30 kid, Ricardo Gathers.

No one says wait and see with the Kyle Anderson's of the world (players who accomplished the same). They go in with expectations and rightly so.

No one said SJU will be world beaters. But the 2012 schedule is nowhere near as difficult as the 2011 schedule and we have a full squad. Why not be optimistic?
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Um...Kyle Anderson is #1 nationally at his position and #3 OVERALL! We don't get #3 recruits, we get 50's and 60's. Let's not kid ourselves. Facts are facts. Gathers was #8 at his position nationally, and #37 overall. Jones is not ranked. Not saying Jones can't be good, but facts are facts.
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Ranking numbers are not facts, they are opinions.
 
 Man, I can't wait to see this board when we get into conference play. All I'm saying is that our incoming class has never played major college basketball. Never. You act as if there is no transition from high school to a MAJOR conference in D1. There obviously is. We will see what happens and like I said, I hope most of you are right. My gut just tells me not to get my hopes up.
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Jakarr played at one of the top prep schools in the nation, was player of the year and I believe Brewster only lost one game.

Obekpa racked up championships and MVP awards in almost every tournament he was apart of.

Everyone seems to feel that Christian Jones was under-recruited and on par with a Top 30 kid, Ricardo Gathers.

No one says wait and see with the Kyle Anderson's of the world (players who accomplished the same). They go in with expectations and rightly so.

No one said SJU will be world beaters. But the 2012 schedule is nowhere near as difficult as the 2011 schedule and we have a full squad. Why not be optimistic?
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Um...Kyle Anderson is #1 nationally at his position and #3 OVERALL! We don't get #3 recruits, we get 50's and 60's. Let's not kid ourselves. Facts are facts. Gathers was #8 at his position nationally, and #37 overall. Jones is not ranked. Not saying Jones can't be good, but facts are facts.
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Ranking numbers are not facts, they are opinions.
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Agree and many players highly ranked are over rated
 
 Man, I can't wait to see this board when we get into conference play. All I'm saying is that our incoming class has never played major college basketball. Never. You act as if there is no transition from high school to a MAJOR conference in D1. There obviously is. We will see what happens and like I said, I hope most of you are right. My gut just tells me not to get my hopes up.
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Jakarr played at one of the top prep schools in the nation, was player of the year and I believe Brewster only lost one game.

Obekpa racked up championships and MVP awards in almost every tournament he was apart of.

Everyone seems to feel that Christian Jones was under-recruited and on par with a Top 30 kid, Ricardo Gathers.

No one says wait and see with the Kyle Anderson's of the world (players who accomplished the same). They go in with expectations and rightly so.

No one said SJU will be world beaters. But the 2012 schedule is nowhere near as difficult as the 2011 schedule and we have a full squad. Why not be optimistic?
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Um...Kyle Anderson is #1 nationally at his position and #3 OVERALL! We don't get #3 recruits, we get 50's and 60's. Let's not kid ourselves. Facts are facts. Gathers was #8 at his position nationally, and #37 overall. Jones is not ranked. Not saying Jones can't be good, but facts are facts.
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Ranking numbers are not facts, they are opinions.
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Have you read his argument throughout this thread?

His argument comes off like... 

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I think that if this team can improve in 3 point shooting and with a true PG and another three point threat we might be able to get some 3s that will keep us in some games we would have been a blow up last year. This team has a true shot blocker a long lengthy wing that is a walking highlight reel. Sanchez who probably is the most ready of anybody, I mean he is 24 played on the DR national team and is crazy athletic (look at Sampsons dunk, that rainbow over his head, not an easy thing to do). We make up for the loss of Moe in point, rebounding, and some. We have a team that can see at least 10 guys play every game easy. Moe might have gone pro but, the number 1 scorer is still here. He wants to go Pro and he is going to have to show he deserves it if he wants to leave this year.

D'lo is gonna try and go off. He wants 20+ points a game, he wants assist, he wants steals. He needs to be talked about if he really wants to go pro and I think he will go all out this year and try to make that dream happen sooner rather than later.

Sampson I see give us some trouble. Doing some Sean Evan type things like try a crazy dunk and miss it.But, it should go away as Big East play comes around.

Sanchez is my vote for starting center. He looks bigger than Gift and I think he is more prepared.

This year I have a feel that St John's will make some noise. They will have a bad loss or two before second semester. Hopefully get some confidence after a few Big East wins and pull of an upset against a top Big East opponent. They might hit a bit of a losing streak in the middle of conference play but, will close the season with 5 wins sweeping ND and DePaul splitting with Rutgers and Georgetown. But thats just what im thinking
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Sanchez is not a center, except if we're playing "small". Obekpa will be our starting center in short order. Kid is a difference maker at the defesive end and plays hard. We have tons of weapons we haven't had before.
 
 Man, I can't wait to see this board when we get into conference play. All I'm saying is that our incoming class has never played major college basketball. Never. You act as if there is no transition from high school to a MAJOR conference in D1. There obviously is. We will see what happens and like I said, I hope most of you are right. My gut just tells me not to get my hopes up.
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Jakarr played at one of the top prep schools in the nation, was player of the year and I believe Brewster only lost one game.

Obekpa racked up championships and MVP awards in almost every tournament he was apart of.

Everyone seems to feel that Christian Jones was under-recruited and on par with a Top 30 kid, Ricardo Gathers.

No one says wait and see with the Kyle Anderson's of the world (players who accomplished the same). They go in with expectations and rightly so.

No one said SJU will be world beaters. But the 2012 schedule is nowhere near as difficult as the 2011 schedule and we have a full squad. Why not be optimistic?
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Um...Kyle Anderson is #1 nationally at his position and #3 OVERALL! We don't get #3 recruits, we get 50's and 60's. Let's not kid ourselves. Facts are facts. Gathers was #8 at his position nationally, and #37 overall. Jones is not ranked. Not saying Jones can't be good, but facts are facts.
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#1 at a position that he's not playing. Argument is the same as he cleaned up all the same awards that Obekpa did.

Gathers is a 6'6 "PF". Anyone who watches basketball knows that he is too short to play PF over the course of a season. And anyone who has even seen a glimpse of Jones realizes that this kid just fell completely under the radar.

You can throw all the rankings out of the window when the season starts.
 
 6 wins.
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earth to lawmanfan...norm is no longer our coach. last year's team would have struggled to six wins, i'll give you that.

we know the players...we know the coaches. i'm sticking to at least 20...with a decent run in march.
 
 Man, I can't wait to see this board when we get into conference play. All I'm saying is that our incoming class has never played major college basketball. Never. You act as if there is no transition from high school to a MAJOR conference in D1. There obviously is. We will see what happens and like I said, I hope most of you are right. My gut just tells me not to get my hopes up.
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My considerable gut tells me to be hopeful every year except last season when we really didn't have a chance. This year we have a balanced roster with depth at every position. Most of the kids have high level experience somewhere or they wouldn't be here. You can stick to the "I told you so" junk but nobody's really going to care because, unlike you, they are fans. As usual we'll have our ups and downs but these kids are going to be here for awhile and they will eventually make you look pretty dumb for trying to rain on the parade before it's started. That's a no win deal for you but, enjoy.
 
 Man, I can't wait to see this board when we get into conference play. All I'm saying is that our incoming class has never played major college basketball. Never. You act as if there is no transition from high school to a MAJOR conference in D1. There obviously is. We will see what happens and like I said, I hope most of you are right. My gut just tells me not to get my hopes up.
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My considerable gut tells me to be hopeful every year except last season when we really didn't have a chance. This year we have a balanced roster with depth at every position. Most of the kids have high level experience somewhere or they wouldn't be here. You can stick to the "I told you so" junk but nobody's really going to care because, unlike you, they are fans. As usual we'll have our ups and downs but these kids are going to be here for awhile and they will eventually make you look pretty dumb for trying to rain on the parade before it's started. That's a no win deal for you but, enjoy.
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He's playing both sides of the fence. If we fall short of the 20-win mark and end up in the NIT, then it'll be, "I told you so.... blah, blah, blah, blah."

If we win 20 or more games (along, with winning a couple of games in the NCAA Tournament), then it'll be something similiar to "Well, there's no way I could've accounted for this factor or that factor, but I sure am glad I was wrong." Most of the board members will be too busy rejoicing, and we'll forget about or ignore it, so we won't pity him as he's a fan like us.  
 
Why does anyone even bother with medium shirt? He has the world by the tail at the ripe old age of 23. He knows all. We will win 3 more game than last year...that's fact. Just don't even watch games this year because we won't be a factor till next season...fact. It's so simple... So I'm going with Punxsutawney Joe3 and say we go 16-14 and perhaps make the NIT
 
 15-15 would be reasonable against this schedule and considering our large number of freshmen who
will be introduced to a BE type schedule. I am hoping we can go to 16-14 but more than that will be a
surprise to me with all the new student athletes and the change in the coaching team. It will take one
more year to rebuild if we can keep this great team of talent together. Less than a split as in last year
would be a disappointment.
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Sorry Oldfan, 15 wins (2 more than last season) would be a tremendous setback for recruiting. We may not get the top 20 as UK, KU or UNC do every year but a .500 season with 8 top 100 kids will kill us on the recruiting trail. Even if they are mostly freshmen and sophs, talent should win out here and not their class rank.
 
 22-9

Harrison wins POY while Sampson/Sanchez share ROY.

Sweet 16 or bust? ;)
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Think 24 wins would be the ABSOLUTE miniumum to reach the Sweet 16 (22 reguar season, 2 wins in the dance) - more likely, given our history and a decline in the Big East's gravitas, 25 (23 just to get an invite)...

Of course, I'm still calling 40-0, so its a moot point. :)
 
1. I never claim to know everything. No one on earth knows how this team will do. So humble yourself. All I ask for is evidence of being a top half Big East team. Is asking for evidence that much?
2. I play both sides? So are you then. You bring up our recruit rankings, then when I show you teams like Kentucky and UCLA have top 10 recruits you tell me they don't matter. Pick one...do rankings matter or not? If yes, then admit we don't have top 10's more like top 60's. If they don't, then what is showing you this is a top half Big East team?

Only a fool would say asking for evidence before making predictions is stupid. We were just 13-19 with some bad losses vs. mid majors. We lost our top player in Harkless. Once this team appears to be a 20 win team, I will join in. Until then, I'm a skeptic.
 
Joe3, we lost Harkless (only loss) and replaced him with 7 newcomers. We certainly have solved out depth crisis. We play a  much easier OOC schedule than last year. Our returning players have the experience of playing a lot of minutes last year. We have a true point guard as of December. We brought in 2 6'9" guys, one being a phenomenal shot-blocker and the other a JUCO AA. We have a 6'8 super-athletic freshman. You don't see that translating into more that 3 wins over the team of 5 freshman and one JUCO player with limited basketball experience that we sent out on the court last year?
 
2. I play both sides? So are you then. You bring up our recruit rankings, then when I show you teams like Kentucky and UCLA have top 10 recruits you tell me they don't matter. Pick one...do rankings matter or not?
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First of all, you're the one who brought up recruiting rankings. I guess you forgot about this.... "Nova still gets better recruits than we do even now IMO. We get good recruits now, but they get more blue chippers."

You were the one who initiated anything about recruiting. I just debunked it by showing you that wasn't the case. Secondly, you never showed me anything about Kentucky and UCLA having top 10 recruits. I wasn't the one you were talking to when you made your brainiac analysis.

Rankings does matter to an extent. It's not always scientifically correct, but it generally does play a huge role. Hold up.... Here is another quote from you: "Nova a few years ago had one of THE best recruiting classes in the nation with Cheek. They can easily be as good as us this year. Teams can look great on paper and be just ok in reality."

You were just ranting and raving about 'Nova, but then you attempted to shoot down a highly-rated guy (rightfully so, when it came to Cheek) from one of 'Nova's classes to build up one of your baseless arguments. Which is it? Does highly-rated recruiting classes mean something or not?

If yes, then admit we don't have top 10's more like top 60's. If they don't, then what is showing you this is a top half Big East team?
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So, what I'm hearing is there is no chance for us to be in the top half of the Big East because we don't have top 10 talent, right? I wanna make sure you're making such a definitive statement. If so, then that is beyond ludicrous. If that is the case, then how come the team from a couple of seasons ago were a top 3 Big East team?

I also gave you an example, in which we have guys ranging from the top 30-50. But, you simply ignored it and continued your rant.

Only a fool would say asking for evidence before making predictions is stupid. We were just 13-19 with some bad losses vs. mid majors. We lost our top player in Harkless. Once this team appears to be a 20 win team, I will join in. Until then, I'm a skeptic.
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Once again, most sound observers knew the reason why we were 13-19 a season ago. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know why we finished six games below .500.... Youth, size and depth. We were sorely lacking in all three categories. If you're not able to grasp that those shortcomings have been rectified (of course, we have to see it on the court), then I don't know what to tell you. IMO, it also seems disingenuous, if you can't see it.

We've replaced Harkless with Sanchez, Sampson, Obekpa and Jones. It's your prerogative to believe this isn't a 20 win team. I have no qualms with your opinion. You lose me with contradictiveness and strawman arguments (which, severely weakens your stance).   

My "both sides" comment was based on you saying, "Man, I can't wait to see this board when we get into conference play."

Those kinda comments suggest we'll hear "I told you," if your prognogstications come to fruition. I'm sure you'll probably also be giddy with most of the board, if we were to win 20 or more games and create havoc in March. That is what I meant when I said you were playing both sides.
 
 It's possible to want the team to do as well as possible but still have a gut feeling they won't be that great. Like I've been saying, let them prove me wrong. I'd love to look like a fool and see them win 25 games and make the sweet 16. Please, by all means!

This is supposed to be a friendly discussion about predicting the season, not some University debate team. It's just hard to see a team jump that far after 1 year. I guess I think a gradual improvement would seem more realistic to me like winning 17 ish this season and 20+ the next.
 
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