When Keita Returns

[quote="ron s m" post=306312][quote="Section3" post=306311][quote="Mean Gene" post=306306][quote="NCJohnnie" post=306297]Paultzman wrote: Zach B
Chris Mullin tells me there is no update on Sedee Keita. #sjubb

SJU stationary bike also has a hernia.

Brings back bad memories. But still a little over 3 weeks before we need him so hoping for the best.[/quote]

What type of hernia? Upper or lower inguinal ? Will he need surgery on that also? Something tells me we won’t bring seeing Mr. Keita again this season. This has disaster written all over it. Maybe I’m just jaded after Lovett last season but this doesn’t sound promising.[/quote]

May be missing something here...but I think Paultz was jokingly referring to the stationary bike having a hernia ????[/quote]

Yes, pretty obvious.[/quote]

Misread it, was reading through quick. I thought he said Keita was only allowed to ride stationary bike because he had a hernia also. :unsure: :huh:
 
if he's bitten with the infamous SJU injury can we still medical redshirt him preserving another year? Obviously i think this is our year, so we need him here for our break through, but just wondering
 
When Keita Returns . . . he'll still be no better than our seventh best player. Clark getting going is infinitely more important at this point.
 
Keita will be rusty & patience is in order until he gets back into game shape. The good news is the injury happened so early in season.
 
We need another body and a big to be sure. But people making Keita out to be Walter Berry so you know he is going to get the wraith from those on here when he doesn't score grabs 3 boards and fouls out.
This sort of reminds me of the wait for Bourgault to become eligible. Then he played.....Although I am sure it didn't help that Lavin compared him to Larry Bird or a department store or something.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306399]We need another body and a big to be sure. But people making Keita out to be Walter Berry so you know he is going to get the wraith from those on here when he doesn't score grabs 3 boards and fouls out.
This sort of reminds me of the wait for Bourgault to become eligible. Then he played.....Although I am sure it didn't help that Lavin compared him to Larry Bird or a department store or something.[/quote]

I don’t think Keita is in any way a Bourgault-level guy though. Kid was a highly ranked recruit and I think will, as he gets his legs back, better than people think. Just hope the injury heals well so he’s 100%. If that’s the case, he should be able to grab boards, defend the post and the extra 5 fouls in the post don’t hurt either.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306399]We need another body and a big to be sure. But people making Keita out to be Walter Berry so you know he is going to get the wraith from those on here when he doesn't score grabs 3 boards and fouls out.
This sort of reminds me of the wait for Bourgault to become eligible. Then he played.....Although I am sure it didn't help that Lavin compared him to Larry Bird or a department store or something.[/quote]
Frankly my sense is most RM posters like Keita’s size, but realize he did not set world on fire at South Carolina. His ranking in high school may also give people hope, but I don’t get the impression most guys on RM are expecting Moses Malone. You do tend to extrapolate a few opinions into a universe, but I know you enjoy that. :)
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=306400][quote="we are sju" post=306399]We need another body and a big to be sure. But people making Keita out to be Walter Berry so you know he is going to get the wraith from those on here when he doesn't score grabs 3 boards and fouls out.
This sort of reminds me of the wait for Bourgault to become eligible. Then he played.....Although I am sure it didn't help that Lavin compared him to Larry Bird or a department store or something.[/quote]

I don’t think Keita is in any way a Bourgault-level guy though. Kid was a highly ranked recruit and I think will, as he gets his legs back, better than people think. Just hope the injury heals well so he’s 100%. If that’s the case, he should be able to grab boards, defend the post and the extra 5 fouls in the post don’t hurt either.[/quote]

Oh I agree and we need him if nothing else to spell Clark when he starts misfiring from three. But I doubt people on here will be throwing roses at his feet if he comes back and averages 3 points and 3 boards.WHich is a pretty good possibility.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306399]
This sort of reminds me of the wait for Bourgault to become eligible. Then he played.....Although I am sure it didn't help that Lavin compared him to Larry Bird or a department store or something.[/quote]

The best one was Orlando Sanchez. When we got reports that unnamed "NBA execs" thought that Orlando Sanchez could be starting for an NBA team. Then he turned out to be pretty average
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=306401][quote="we are sju" post=306399]We need another body and a big to be sure. But people making Keita out to be Walter Berry so you know he is going to get the wraith from those on here when he doesn't score grabs 3 boards and fouls out.
This sort of reminds me of the wait for Bourgault to become eligible. Then he played.....Although I am sure it didn't help that Lavin compared him to Larry Bird or a department store or something.[/quote]
Frankly my sense is most RM posters like Keita’s size, but realize he did not set world on fire at South Carolina. His ranking in high school may also give people hope, but I don’t get the impression most guys on RM are expecting Moses Malone. You do tend to extrapolate a few opinions into a universe, but I know you enjoy that. :)[/quote]

Normally I enjoy a good extrapolation as much as the next guy. But in this case we have a complaint thread and we are 7-0. Again in troubling times I like to look to Darth Vader for guidance: "people will complain about Keita, Ray, they definitely will complain."
Now I too might complain about him but I am not marking off days on a calendar with X's until he returns.
 
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In positionless basketball the way Mullin has been playing the "biggest" issue is that as a player you are interchangeable. Everyone expecting traditional big man is missing the point completely. Mullin is playing 5 out. This means EVERY player at all times is constantly reacting and expected to move like a guard starting at the NBA 3pt line. So if you are Keita or Roberts you are expected to play the way Clark has been. You are expected to be able to move, screen, cut (pass and shoot) and face the basket on offense. You square up to the basket to be in triple threat position. There is no back to the basket big man role in this offense. The defense gets drawn out so that they cannot pack the middle and interior scoring is done via cutters and from what we've seen some freelance dribble drive. The ball movement including skip and cross court passing with good spacing is supposed to create higher efficiency scoring opportunities - better shots. So the issues with Roberts I suspect are more to do with his grasp of this and maybe things like his ball control and always being in the right spot, more than his height or shot blocking abilities. This is what I was referring to when I previously commented on the game being fast for Roberts and Williams. In the 5 out you need to have an instinctual flow from the players. They need to react knowing what the other players are doing. The more you have that flow and chemistry the more effective it is. When guys are lost or slow to react, it kills it. So it is always 5 best guys.

On defense the way Mullin has been playing them it is similar. Everyone is constantly switching. So while for us guys above 35 it seems fantastical for Mikey Dixon to be guarding the biggest player on the opposing team, this is expected in the switching defense and why it wasn't totally unexpected that he'd be subbed in when Clark fouled out.

Not saying that I love this but for the personnel that we have it makes sense and this is what Mullin is doing.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306402][quote="MCNPA" post=306400][quote="we are sju" post=306399]We need another body and a big to be sure. But people making Keita out to be Walter Berry so you know he is going to get the wraith from those on here when he doesn't score grabs 3 boards and fouls out.
This sort of reminds me of the wait for Bourgault to become eligible. Then he played.....Although I am sure it didn't help that Lavin compared him to Larry Bird or a department store or something.[/quote]

I don’t think Keita is in any way a Bourgault-level guy though. Kid was a highly ranked recruit and I think will, as he gets his legs back, better than people think. Just hope the injury heals well so he’s 100%. If that’s the case, he should be able to grab boards, defend the post and the extra 5 fouls in the post don’t hurt either.[/quote]

Oh I agree and we need him if nothing else to spell Clark when he starts misfiring from three. But I doubt people on here will be throwing roses at his feet if he comes back and averages 3 points and 3 boards.WHich is a pretty good possibility.[/quote]

If he can spread his fouls out over 10 minutes then anything less than 4 and 4 would be a major disppointment.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=306409]In positionless basketball the way Mullin has been playing the "biggest" issue is that as a player you are interchangeable. Everyone expecting traditional big man is missing the point completely. Mullin is playing 5 out. This means EVERY player at all times is constantly reacting and expected to move like a guard starting at the NBA 3pt line. So if you are Keita or Roberts you are expected to play the way Clark has been. You are expected to be able to move, screen, cut (pass and shoot) and face the basket on offense. You square up to the basket to be in triple threat position. There is no back to the basket big man role in this offense. The defense gets drawn out so that they cannot pack the middle and interior scoring is done via cutters and from what we've seen some freelance dribble drive. The ball movement including skip and cross court passing with good spacing is supposed to create higher efficiency scoring opportunities - better shots. So the issues with Roberts I suspect are more to do with his grasp of this and maybe things like his ball control and always being in the right spot, more than his height or shot blocking abilities. This is what I was referring to when I previously commented on the game being fast for Roberts and Williams. In the 5 out you need to have an instinctual flow from the players. They need to react knowing what the other players are doing. The more you have that flow and chemistry the more effective it is. When guys are lost or slow to react, it kills it. So it is always 5 best guys.

On defense the way Mullin has been playing them it is similar. Everyone is constantly switching. So while for us guys above 35 it seems fantastical for Mikey Dixon to be guarding the biggest player on the opposing team, this is expected in the switching defense and why it wasn't totally unexpected that he'd be subbed in when Clark fouled out.

Not saying that I love this but for the personnel that we have it makes sense and this is what Mullin is doing.[/quote]

I agree and understand what he’s doing. We just need all of our players on our team to be between 6’4” and 6’9” and be able to shoot and handle ie. hybrid guards and forwards. With guys like Mack a big guard, Steere an oversized and skilled PF and maybe guys like Precious/Tabor, we can play that game. Our roster is not totally built for that just yet but, a lot of what has been implemented seems to be working.

In theory it’s not very different than how
Boeheim recruits guys that fit into his 2-3 defensive schemes, which requires similarly long players. We just do that for offensive reasons, not defensive ones. Hopefully Mullin can have the roster with 10-deep with guys of that ilk at some point.
 
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[quote="MCNPA" post=306427][
I agree and understand what he’s doing. We just need all of our players on our team to be between 6’4” and 6’9” and be able to shoot and handle ie. hybrid guards and forwards. With guys like Mack a big guard, Steere an oversized and skilled PF and maybe guys like Precious/Tabor, we can play that game. Our roster is not totally built for that just yet but, a lot of what has been implemented seems to be working.

In theory it’s not very different than how
Boeheim recruits guys that fit into his 2-3 defensive schemes, which requires similarly long players. We just do that for offensive reasons, not defensive ones. Hopefully Mullin can have the roster with 10-deep with guys of that ilk at some point.[/quote]

Yes and a guy like Precious is built for it. He is kind of the ultimate size and skill set for this. I think Roberts could be too IF he has the hands and smarts but it may take a couple of seasons for him to get there. Haven't seen enough of him yet but have definitely seen some flashes of speed and explosiveness. But from what I did see he seems like he's a step behind everyone when he's on the floor.

Williams also can fit into this because of his speed and athleticism. I don't think he is buried. I think it is a learning curve for him. He has looked tentative. When he gets past that, his PT will increase. He also could be a season or two away.
 
Sorry, as I perhaps missed this in the thread, but anyone know whether Roberts’s injury is similar to the one that kept him out for a bit during his freshman year at South Carolina? Just wondering if it’s new or a nagging type injury. Thanks!
 
[quote="MBaldi" post=306434]Sorry, as I perhaps missed this in the thread, but anyone know whether Roberts’s injury is similar to the one that kept him out for a bit during his freshman year at South Carolina? Just wondering if it’s new or a nagging type injury. Thanks![/quote]
Wrist injury at South Carolina v knee here
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=306409]In positionless basketball the way Mullin has been playing the "biggest" issue is that as a player you are interchangeable. Everyone expecting traditional big man is missing the point completely. Mullin is playing 5 out. This means EVERY player at all times is constantly reacting and expected to move like a guard starting at the NBA 3pt line. So if you are Keita or Roberts you are expected to play the way Clark has been. You are expected to be able to move, screen, cut (pass and shoot) and face the basket on offense. You square up to the basket to be in triple threat position. There is no back to the basket big man role in this offense. The defense gets drawn out so that they cannot pack the middle and interior scoring is done via cutters and from what we've seen some freelance dribble drive. The ball movement including skip and cross court passing with good spacing is supposed to create higher efficiency scoring opportunities - better shots. So the issues with Roberts I suspect are more to do with his grasp of this and maybe things like his ball control and always being in the right spot, more than his height or shot blocking abilities. This is what I was referring to when I previously commented on the game being fast for Roberts and Williams. In the 5 out you need to have an instinctual flow from the players. They need to react knowing what the other players are doing. The more you have that flow and chemistry the more effective it is. When guys are lost or slow to react, it kills it. So it is always 5 best guys.

On defense the way Mullin has been playing them it is similar. Everyone is constantly switching. So while for us guys above 35 it seems fantastical for Mikey Dixon to be guarding the biggest player on the opposing team, this is expected in the switching defense and why it wasn't totally unexpected that he'd be subbed in when Clark fouled out.

Not saying that I love this but for the personnel that we have it makes sense and this is what Mullin is doing.[/quote]

Everything you said sounds great and I actually would love this type of offense but completely disagree when you say
"but for the personnel that we have it makes sense and this is what Mullin is doing".
The guys in the NBA playing this way are incredibly talented athletes who range anywhere from 6'4 to 6'10.
We have a very small team with a couple of elite talents. We are conversely playing the same porous defense played in the NBA. You need every one of the 5 players on floor playing on all cylinders to be effective as you implied but unfortunately we don't have much after the first five. You need 8-10 good players to run such an offense. We are 3 players short and a day late.
 
Not close to practicing yet, according to Braziller, so patience suggested.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=306761]Not close to practicing yet, according to Braziller, so patience suggested.[/quote]

Hopefully, with another 2 weeks of rehab and a week of practice he will be ready to go against SH.
 
[quote="Ralph Joseph Giordano" post=306773][quote="Paultzman" post=306761]Not close to practicing yet, according to Braziller, so patience suggested.[/quote]

Hopefully, with another 2 weeks of rehab and a week of practice he will be ready to go against SH.[/quote]
Sparingly I would think in that case.
 
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