Westchester Community College issues-

I am looking forward to see him play and would be extremely disappointed if he doesn't. However this can't stop our goal of the NCAA tournament. We have the back court and Obekpa. Pointer, Jones, Balamou, Amir or Adonis has to step it up. We will have to figure out how to play small at times.
 
This type of stuff rarely ends without, at a minimum, complications for us. Hopefully we are due for a break.
 
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‏@NYPost_Brazille As Westchester CC does its own investigation, #sjubb compliance office gathering information in attempt to verify Keith Thomas transcript
 
@NYPost_Brazille: Westchester CC spokesperson on transcript tampering: "We believe it was an Isolated incident" #sjubb said investigation ongoing.
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Just got back to office and saw these updates. Just crazy! But when the WCC spokesperson says "...it was an isolated incident", how "isolated" can it be when we already know there are at least 2 kids involved?
 
I will have a huge issue if Thomas is not eligible. We had serious problems with eligibility with Lavin's first class with direct SJU involvement in the situation and if SJU did not due complete and fool proof due diligence here it is just mind boggling. In my mind it will give tremendous credence to the criticisms of SJU administration and this coaching staff. I agree with Paultzman about Rubin's personna and this is scary to me. Eleventh hour crap again..................
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My opinion on this is that unless Lavin absolutely knew there was some illicit activity, I would not hold him accountable. Just about every kid who comes out of JUCO, prep school, or community college has serious academic deficiencies, and if you stayed away from each of them we'd have the Regis high varsity all playing college ball. Jim Valvano was golden at NC State despite recruiting some very questionable kids that just about every big program would have been more than happy to grab if he didn't. Let's let this play out and for now leave Lavin out of it.
 
I will have a huge issue if Thomas is not eligible. We had serious problems with eligibility with Lavin's first class with direct SJU involvement in the situation and if SJU did not due complete and fool proof due diligence here it is just mind boggling. In my mind it will give tremendous credence to the criticisms of SJU administration and this coaching staff. I agree with Paultzman about Rubin's personna and this is scary to me. Eleventh hour crap again..................
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My opinion on this is that unless Lavin absolutely knew there was some illicit activity, I would not hold him accountable. Just about every kid who comes out of JUCO, prep school, or community college has serious academic deficiencies, and if you stayed away from each of them we'd have the Regis high varsity all playing college ball. Jim Valvano was golden at NC State despite recruiting some very questionable kids that just about every big program would have been more than happy to grab if he didn't. Let's let this play out and for now leave Lavin out of it.
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Obviously I disagree; and I don't care what Jim Valvano did 20 years ago. I will caveat my comments with an IF, which is what I did in my original post, but there are very easy ways to confirm academic achievement rather than taking a transcript at face value. I would think some serious fact finding was in order. And doubly so because of the fiasco of Lavin's first recruiting class eligibility.
 
I will have a huge issue if Thomas is not eligible. We had serious problems with eligibility with Lavin's first class with direct SJU involvement in the situation and if SJU did not due complete and fool proof due diligence here it is just mind boggling. In my mind it will give tremendous credence to the criticisms of SJU administration and this coaching staff. I agree with Paultzman about Rubin's personna and this is scary to me. Eleventh hour crap again..................
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My opinion on this is that unless Lavin absolutely knew there was some illicit activity, I would not hold him accountable. Just about every kid who comes out of JUCO, prep school, or community college has serious academic deficiencies, and if you stayed away from each of them we'd have the Regis high varsity all playing college ball. Jim Valvano was golden at NC State despite recruiting some very questionable kids that just about every big program would have been more than happy to grab if he didn't. Let's let this play out and for now leave Lavin out of it.
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Obviously I disagree; and I don't care what Jim Valvano did 20 years ago. I will caveat my comments with an IF, which is what I did in my original post, but there are very easy ways to confirm academic achievement rather than taking a transcript at face value. I would think some serious fact finding was in order. And doubly so because of the fiasco of Lavin's first recruiting class eligibility.
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We can still be friends and disagree, no?
 
I will have a huge issue if Thomas is not eligible. We had serious problems with eligibility with Lavin's first class with direct SJU involvement in the situation and if SJU did not due complete and fool proof due diligence here it is just mind boggling. In my mind it will give tremendous credence to the criticisms of SJU administration and this coaching staff. I agree with Paultzman about Rubin's personna and this is scary to me. Eleventh hour crap again..................
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My opinion on this is that unless Lavin absolutely knew there was some illicit activity, I would not hold him accountable. Just about every kid who comes out of JUCO, prep school, or community college has serious academic deficiencies, and if you stayed away from each of them we'd have the Regis high varsity all playing college ball. Jim Valvano was golden at NC State despite recruiting some very questionable kids that just about every big program would have been more than happy to grab if he didn't. Let's let this play out and for now leave Lavin out of it.
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Obviously I disagree; and I don't care what Jim Valvano did 20 years ago. I will caveat my comments with an IF, which is what I did in my original post, but there are very easy ways to confirm academic achievement rather than taking a transcript at face value. I would think some serious fact finding was in order. And doubly so because of the fiasco of Lavin's first recruiting class eligibility.
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Ridiculous once again. IF this is an issue, you can't blame Lavin for a forged transcript. Coaches don't even see that stuff..it goes straight to the compliance office. You just love to blame Lavin for everything.
 
So WCC spokesperson claims Walker never played, even though Cimino says he saw him play twice and there is video of him playing? Very weird.
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Indeed, there's some very strange stuff going on here. One of the articles also mentions Giovanni McLean, who verbally committed to Oklahoma and then a week later went to Quinnipiac instead. Who does that? Anyway, hopefully Thomas isn't caught up in this.
 
I don't know enough to determine who at St. John's is clearing eligibility but I think late signings like Keith Thomas are an increased risk. For the 2014 recruiting class no players were signed before April. The pickup of Joey DeLarosa was a little strange given he has shown no ability at a much lower level. It is also not clear when he will play and if he will get a scholarship. Keith and Amir were signed after 99 percent of recruiting was over. I think the fact that we were battling Loyola and Fordham says something also.
 
Daily News report:
St. John’s may not have Keith Thomas as forward’s academic transcript from Westchester Community College is under review

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-jc-transfer-transcript-concerns-article-1.1990020
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From the article:
"St. John's will likely not have the services of junior forward Keith Thomas this season, sources familiar with the situation told the Daily News."

Will he be permitted to stay at the University?
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only the daily news is saying this zags and the post are saying he will be fine.
 
Someone can do a better job of explaining this than me but here is what I have a pretty good grasp on. In order to play college athletics you need to be cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Keith Thomas was cleared. Therefore Lavin could extend schollie and accept it. I'd love to find ways to chalk this up to the other eligibility issues but this IF it turns out to be true is a case where the NCAA says yes Keith Thomas is ok and we admit him and plan to play him only for them to go back and look at his records after the fact.

SJU compliance isn't looking for forged transcripts. That falls on the NCAA and the Clearinghouse. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but pretty certain here.
 
Let take this discussion about his eligibility over to the Westchester Community College thread on the main forum.

Thanks
 
I don't know enough to determine who at St. John's is clearing eligibility but I think late signings like Keith Thomas are an increased risk. For the 2014 recruiting class no players were signed before April. The pickup of Joey DeLarosa was a little strange given he has shown no ability at a much lower level. It is also not clear when he will play and if he will get a scholarship. Keith and Amir were signed after 99 percent of recruiting was over. I think the fact that we were battling Loyola and Fordham says something also.
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Some of your post is irrelevant to the topic. Oh, well....

Thomas was signed in the late period, as many JUCO's usually commit around that time frame. IMO, that doesn't have any bearing on it being an "increased risk." By the way, South Florida and Miami were also involved.
 
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