Welcome John McGriff

[quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.
 
There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=347588]There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.[/quote]
Less so if you’re a cunning linguist
 
[quote="simplyred" post=347608][quote="IDRAFT" post=347588]There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.[/quote]
Less so if you’re a cunning linguist[/quote]

Funny & clever man. Well done.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347580][quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.[/quote]

Huh????? I think you have a smudge in your almanac........1933????
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=347588]There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.[/quote]

Only when all else is considered equal. When looking at the same position I’d never take a lesser player because he was taller.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347580][quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.[/quote]

NC beat Kansas in 1957.
 
Well, as Making Plays says, CMA doesn't play freshmen much unless they're all world.
That said, McGriff has played and thrived at the highest level of prep/AAU Bball, has faked mucho 'tall guys' outta their shoes and made baskets on drives against 'bigs' with great body control and arm angles.
He's under-rated because of his size, not his talent.
This kid--in time--might be the real deal.
We shall see.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=347616][quote="Beast of the East" post=347580][quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.[/quote]

Huh????? I think you have a smudge in your almanac........1933????[/quote]

Haha.. If we can't joke around a little.

Look, everytime McGriff has stepped on to a court where people don't know him, every time he has tried out, he has had to disprove doubters. I'm sure if he if worth anything, he is tough enough to disprove any doubts that he belongs, and I sure would like to be proven mistaken.

Good luck to him.. Welcome McGriff!
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347634][quote="Logen" post=347616][quote="Beast of the East" post=347580][quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.[/quote]

Huh????? I think you have a smudge in your almanac........1933????[/quote]

Haha.. If we can't joke around a little.

Look, everytime McGriff has stepped on to a court where people don't know him, every time he has tried out, he has had to disprove doubters. I'm sure if he if worth anything, he is tough enough to disprove any doubts that he belongs, and I sure would like to be proven mistaken.

Good luck to him.. Welcome McGriff![/quote]

Right.....whatever
 
[quote="Logen" post=347719][quote="Beast of the East" post=347634][quote="Logen" post=347616][quote="Beast of the East" post=347580][quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.[/quote]

Huh????? I think you have a smudge in your almanac........1933????[/quote]

Haha.. If we can't joke around a little.

Look, everytime McGriff has stepped on to a court where people don't know him, every time he has tried out, he has had to disprove doubters. I'm sure if he if worth anything, he is tough enough to disprove any doubts that he belongs, and I sure would like to be proven mistaken.

Good luck to him.. Welcome McGriff![/quote]

Right.....whatever[/quote]

Yes a 62 year old Chamberlain led the 72 Lakers to a 33 game winning streak, playing point guard.

Actually one season Chamberlain was so pissed because idiots said that he only scored because he was so big but couldn't play that he scored less and led the NBA in assists.

Roberto Clemente was denied a 100,000 contract by the pirates because he didn't hit homeruns, so next season he swung for the fences and hit 28 home runs, hitting "only" .317.

But a 5 ft 9 guy never led the NBA in blocked shots or rebounds. It's a big man's game.
 
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In determining McGriffs chances of success you have to consider his coaches style of play. Much higher chance of having an impact playing Anderson's style of pressure basketball than say Mullin's or most other coaches.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347722][quote="Logen" post=347719][quote="Beast of the East" post=347634][quote="Logen" post=347616][quote="Beast of the East" post=347580][quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.[/quote]

Huh????? I think you have a smudge in your almanac........1933????[/quote]

Haha.. If we can't joke around a little.

Look, everytime McGriff has stepped on to a court where people don't know him, every time he has tried out, he has had to disprove doubters. I'm sure if he if worth anything, he is tough enough to disprove any doubts that he belongs, and I sure would like to be proven mistaken.

Good luck to him.. Welcome McGriff![/quote]

Right.....whatever[/quote]

Yes a 62 year old Chamberlain led the 72 Lakers to a 33 game winning streak, playing point guard.

Actually one season Chamberlain was so pissed because idiots said that he only scored because he was so big but couldn't play that he scored less and led the NBA in assists.

Roberto Clemente was denied a 100,000 contract by the pirates because he didn't hit homeruns, so next season he swung for the fences and hit 28 home runs, hitting "only" .317.

But a 5 ft 9 guy never led the NBA in blocked shots or rebounds. It's a big man's game.[/quote]

If Matt A and Mullin had recruited and signed him, me thinks you'd be whistling a different tune. I often respect your posts throughout the years, however it seems like you're still a bit salty over the coaching change. Just my opinion
 
He will always be the first commit to CMA and for that I will always remember him. Hoping he proves the doubters wrong and the edge he has had to carry his entire career due to his height, is what propels him to be a 4 year fan favorite (i.e. Malik Boothe)
 
[quote="simplyred" post=347608][quote="IDRAFT" post=347588]There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.[/quote]
Less so if you’re a cunning linguist[/quote]

I watched Calvin Murphy torch us when he played for Niagara. He was cunning, quick and a ball hawk. He was also 5'9.
He was very cunning off the court also as he fathered 14 children with 9 different women.

Hopefully McGriff will be useful bringing the ball up against the press or when playing 40 minutes of hell.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347722][quote="Logen" post=347719][quote="Beast of the East" post=347634][quote="Logen" post=347616][quote="Beast of the East" post=347580][quote="Logen" post=347575][quote="Beast of the East" post=347550][quote="Joe Donnelly" post=347528]Have you watched this kid? It’s pretty obvious this kid and his handle are lightning quick. Plus, every coach or recruiter pretty much says the same thing about him. I’ll take a pit bull at PG who has a sick handle & takes pride in his defense any day on my team. IMO, couldn’t ask for much better considering our position this late in the recruiting process.

Welcome aboard Mr. McGriff![/quote]

I watched the video. Quickness is relative to the ability and agility of your opposition. If he is that much quicker than opponents at the college level he can partially offset height disadvantage. Pitbull or not, guarding a 6'4" guard or caught in a switch against a 6'7" forward will create problems, especially in a smaller lineup that we figure to have where he won't get much support from bigs. Basketball is very unforgiving when it comes to height, so on offense he would have to contribute a lot to earn playing time, or else he is a stopgap measure on a thin roster. No question quickness is the second best physical asset to have after height, but at 5'9", to create enough space to get off shots, or even passes that won't be deflected, you have to be that much quicker than opponents. I hope he has the goods.[/quote]

I am with Mase on this. Height is largely, not completely, irrelevant if you can play. Height is also no advantage if you can’t.[/quote]

Yep. That's why North Carolina had their smallest player jump center against Wilt in the NCAA Finals back in 1933.[/quote]

Huh????? I think you have a smudge in your almanac........1933????[/quote]

Haha.. If we can't joke around a little.

Look, everytime McGriff has stepped on to a court where people don't know him, every time he has tried out, he has had to disprove doubters. I'm sure if he if worth anything, he is tough enough to disprove any doubts that he belongs, and I sure would like to be proven mistaken.

Good luck to him.. Welcome McGriff![/quote]

Right.....whatever[/quote]

Yes a 62 year old Chamberlain led the 72 Lakers to a 33 game winning streak, playing point guard.

Actually one season Chamberlain was so pissed because idiots said that he only scored because he was so big but couldn't play that he scored less and led the NBA in assists.

Roberto Clemente was denied a 100,000 contract by the pirates because he didn't hit homeruns, so next season he swung for the fences and hit 28 home runs, hitting "only" .317.

But a 5 ft 9 guy never led the NBA in blocked shots or rebounds. It's a big man's game.[/quote]

Yeah, really good point, because Wilt Chamberlain completely changed his game for one season to prove a point because he had thin skin, all short guys suck. Better yet, maybe we should pass a law making it a crime for them to play basketball, or God forbid, actually become GOOD at it. Off with their heads, I say. Keep this thread alive, please, funnier than your prosecution of Repole.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=347731][quote="simplyred" post=347608][quote="IDRAFT" post=347588]There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.[/quote]
Less so if you’re a cunning linguist[/quote]

I watched Calvin Murphy torch us when he played for Niagara. He was cunning, quick and a ball hawk. He was also 5'9.
He was very cunning off the court also as he fathered 14 children with 9 different women.

Hopefully McGriff will be useful bringing the ball up against the press or when playing 40 minutes of hell.[/quote]

Calvin Murphy was a 2X High School All-American. Mr. McGriff is a top 300 ranked player. Other than their height., at the same point in their respective careers, there's no comparison.
 
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Wilt only led the league in total assists because Oscar was limited to 65 games. It was Robertson who led the league in apg, with 9.7. Wilt 8.6.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=347731][quote="simplyred" post=347608][quote="IDRAFT" post=347588]There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.[/quote]
Less so if you’re a cunning linguist[/quote]

I watched Calvin Murphy torch us when he played for Niagara. He was cunning, quick and a ball hawk. He was also 5'9.
He was very cunning off the court also as he fathered 14 children with 9 different women.

Hopefully McGriff will be useful bringing the ball up against the press or when playing 40 minutes of hell.[/quote]

Well, let's hope Johnathan is related to Calvin...that DNA link may give the doubters on this Board some conviction. Lol.
This kid may have to 'grow' into BEC competition (pun intended) but this guy's handle, quickness, shot, and finishing skills are too good for him to not succeed in time.
 
[quote="Monte" post=347734][quote="Class of 72" post=347731][quote="simplyred" post=347608][quote="IDRAFT" post=347588]There are two place in life where size always matters and one of them is on a basketball court.[/quote]
Less so if you’re a cunning linguist[/quote]

I watched Calvin Murphy torch us when he played for Niagara. He was cunning, quick and a ball hawk. He was also 5'9.
He was very cunning off the court also as he fathered 14 children with 9 different women.

Hopefully McGriff will be useful bringing the ball up against the press or when playing 40 minutes of hell.[/quote]

Calvin Murphy was a 2X High School All-American. Mr. McGriff is a top 300 ranked player. Other than their height., at the same point in their respective careers, there's no comparison.[/quote]

Muggsy Bogues was 5'3 and led the ACC in assists. He wasn't a 2× HS All-American. If he is quick up court and can pass he is already a better option than Trimble was. Getting the ball up court was going to be a problem with the guards left over from Matt's players.
 
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