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Larry Wright said:
Again I like both guys especially Jones
My only point for those getting carried away is it is an argument about if the roster is improved and shooting wise it is def worse. So I don’t see how people are saying we are a tournament team when we were not close last year.
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Shooting got worse. Again disagree that we as a team got worse.

Before last year providence lost its most talented player in David Duke from a team that didn’t make the tourney. But they held on to a core and supplemented it with some pieces. Then this year happened.
 
NCJohnnie said:
Regarding Rothstein ranking, we definitely need to finish ahead of PC and see no reason we can't beat out UCONN. No way Nova is a top 10 team if Justin Moore is unable to play, hope for his sake he makes it back though.
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They just signed three top 50 high school kids according to Rivals. Whenever you think Nova is down, they just reload. Remains to be seen of that will keep up in the future with Wright gone.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Shooting got worse. Again disagree that we as a team got worse.

Before last year providence lost its most talented player in David Duke from a team that didn’t make the tourney. But they held on to a core and supplemented it with some pieces. Then this year happened.
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Said you can argue roster not better. Shooting definitely appears worse. We seem to agree actually.
Listen I thought Anderson did a terrible job last year. Don’t think he is a bad coach I-think he did a bad job. We could be better this year but will depend on:
1. Anderson
2. Someone knocking down shots

Just something to watch. I like Curbello pickup but he is somewhat mistake prone and not a good shooter. Can see fan base turning on him if struggles early
 
sjc88 wrote:

NC, that’s an interesting take. I believe we have one scholarship left. The question is does the staff go for the seasoned shooter or a kid like Awaka? From what I’ve read Awaka is more of a big and certainly not a “shooter”. He seems like the EXACT type of kid any Program would love to have.

So the question is do we look to solve next year’s problem OR go for a good kid like Awaka?

sjc, my feeling is if you can get a potentially very good local big like Awaka, you take him. Much harder call with a kid like Klintman, I'd be inclined to go with the seasoned shooter provided he is coming from a conference at least as competitive as AAC.
 
Larry Wright said:
Yeah last year you would not have traded JC for either.
I really like Jones and happy with Curbelo but we did not upgrade from last year.
We did upgrade tremendously after losing our two best offensive players however
Last year everyone assumed we would make the tournament and we were picked 4th in conference.
Can we be good, I think so but thought we should have been good last year.
Wild card is the coach.
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Yup, people forget fast that lack of talent was not the sole issue last year for a disappointing season. The biggest culprit last season was the system that allowed too many easy baskets and wide open threes time after time. Hopefully Anderson and staff recognized this and can tweak the system somewhat to avoid such defensive lapses. And while Soriano and Niywe certainly improved offensively, as of yet, they are not rim protectors by any means which is vital to a system of full court pressure that takes defensive chances.
 
Larry Wright said:
Said you can argue roster not better. Shooting definitely appears worse. We seem to agree actually.
Listen I thought Anderson did a terrible job last year. Don’t think he is a bad coach I-think he did a bad job. We could be better this year but will depend on:
1. Anderson
2. Someone knocking down shots

Just something to watch. I like Curbello pickup but he is somewhat mistake prone and not a good shooter. Can see fan base turning on him if struggles early
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You’re last point is a shoe in. Bet the house.
 
One thing to keep in mind is our record in close games last year. In games decided by 4 points or less we were 1-6. Folks will blame that on any number of things - late game coaching, lack of a real finisher, bad luck. But improve that to 4-3 and things look very different. Maybe with Curbelo, Posh & Jones we get better shots in late game situations and make more of them. Eternal optimist take on things lol.
 
NCJohnnie said:
sjc88 wrote:

NC, that’s an interesting take. I believe we have one scholarship left. The question is does the staff go for the seasoned shooter or a kid like Awaka? From what I’ve read Awaka is more of a big and certainly not a “shooter”. He seems like the EXACT type of kid any Program would love to have.

So the question is do we look to solve next year’s problem OR go for a good kid like Awaka?

sjc, my feeling is if you can get a potentially very good local big like Awaka, you take him. Much harder call with a kid like Klintman, I'd be inclined to go with the seasoned shooter provided he is coming from a conference at least as competitive as AAC.
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Yeah, probably where I’m at. Awaka is probably more beneficial long term. Based on my understanding we can’t have both with only one scholarship left. Not sure how he is leaning but recruiting good kids locally is important for us.
 
SJU11 said:
Exactly. Lots of talent here with a subpar coach.

Hopefully they can put it all together because the roster has some very clear flaws that a good coach may be able to mask. MA… I’m not too sure.
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It's crazy how some of you guys criticized the coach for not being able to recruit and hold on to his players last year. Now, the storyline from you same guys is he had "lots of talent" but he's just a subpar coach and couldn't do anything with it.

So, which is it? He can't recruit and hold on to players or he can't coach and he had a talented roster? Because it can't be both.

Also FYI, you're saying there was "lots of talent" the 3 best players on the team was Julian (unranked out of high school, set to goto Prep School), Posh (3-star out of high school), and Wheeler (3 PPG at Purdue, 3-star player out of high school). So, let's not change the narrative that he had all this incredible talent. These were guys that were coached up, with a lot of newcomers, and it just took too long for guys to figure things out. This year, with 8 guys returning and bringing in high caliber transfers the meshing of the team should be much quicker and results should be much better.
 
MakingPlays said:
It's crazy how some of you guys criticized the coach for not being able to recruit and hold on to his players last year. Now, the storyline from you same guys is he had "lots of talent" but he's just a subpar coach and couldn't do anything with it.

So, which is it? He can't recruit and hold on to players or he can't coach and he had a talented roster? Because it can't be both.

Also FYI, you're saying there was "lots of talent" the 3 best players on the team was Julian (unranked out of high school, set to goto Prep School), Posh (3-star out of high school), and Wheeler (3 PPG at Purdue, 3-star player out of high school). So, let's not change the narrative that he had all this incredible talent. These were guys that were coached up, with a lot of newcomers, and it just took too long for guys to figure things out. This year, with 8 guys returning and bringing in high caliber transfers the meshing of the team should be much quicker and results should be much better.
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We could bring in Michael Jordan and James Worthy (when they were young as I know someone will throw out they are 60) and there will be a problem...
 
MakingPlays said:
It's crazy how some of you guys criticized the coach for not being able to recruit and hold on to his players last year. Now, the storyline from you same guys is he had "lots of talent" but he's just a subpar coach and couldn't do anything with it.

So, which is it? He can't recruit and hold on to players or he can't coach and he had a talented roster? Because it can't be both.

Also FYI, you're saying there was "lots of talent" the 3 best players on the team was Julian (unranked out of high school, set to goto Prep School), Posh (3-star out of high school), and Wheeler (3 PPG at Purdue, 3-star player out of high school). So, let's not change the narrative that he had all this incredible talent. These were guys that were coached up, with a lot of newcomers, and it just took too long for guys to figure things out. This year, with 8 guys returning and bringing in high caliber transfers the meshing of the team should be much quicker and results should be much better.
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My issue with all St John’s coaches since Louie is they scramble around trying to get guys to come here who usually don’t instead of recruiting to fit their system.
Anderson no different there but last year he did a very poor job identifying his best players, establishing a rotation and his end game substitutions and strategy was bizarre.
 
Larry Wright said:
My issue with all St John’s coaches since Louie is they scramble around trying to get guys to come here who usually don’t instead of recruiting to fit their system.
Anderson no different there but last year he did a very poor job identifying his best players, establishing a rotation and his end game substitutions and strategy was bizarre.
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He recruited Posh and Dylan and they are perfect fits.

Also, Coach K ain't coming out of retirement to take this job. Compared to Jarvis-Lavin-Mullin coaching he's been good.

Except I did love Deuce's post-games.
 
Fizzy said:
He recruited Posh and Dylan and they are perfect fits.

Also, Coach K ain't coming out of retirement to take this job. Compared to Jarvis-Lavin-Mullin coaching he's been good.

Except I did love Deuce's post-games.
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I would root for new team if he did
And Jarvis no matter how it ended did way better job his first 3 years
Hell all those guys made tourney
 
Jarvis and his freelance offense. I was 3 rows behind him at Alumni (before they booted us to the donors). He had the players but he never had the teams ear.
 
Larry Wright said:
My issue with all St John’s coaches since Louie is they scramble around trying to get guys to come here who usually don’t instead of recruiting to fit their system.
Anderson no different there but last year he did a very poor job identifying his best players, establishing a rotation and his end game substitutions and strategy was bizarre.
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What are you talking about he did a poor job of identifying his best players?

His 2 best players played over 30 MPG. The 3rd best player, Wheeler, was horrible to begin the season, he even played himself out of the rotation. And I don't recall you posting saying that was a mistake at the time, if you did please share that post, because I missed it. To Wheelers credit he figured things out and once he did, CMA started him and played him big minutes.

You guys like to re-write history to fit your narrative. Let's not act like Soriano, Wheeler, Nyiwe, and Stanley all were great to begin the season, all were very raw and struggled learning the system, and CMA stuck with them (despite guys like you that post and complain about rotations and giving guys minutes) and let them play through mistakes and as the season went along all of them got significantly better.

What's also funny about your identifying best players comment is the 2 most consistent guys outside of Posh and Champ were Mathis and Wusu by far and those 2 players get the most hate on this site, especially Wusu. Without those 2 guys play at beginning of the season this would have been a sub .500 team.
 
MakingPlays said:
What are you talking about he did a poor job of identifying his best players?

His 2 best players played over 30 MPG. The 3rd best player, Wheeler, was horrible to begin the season, he even played himself out of the rotation. And I don't recall you posting saying that was a mistake at the time, if you did please share that post, because I missed it. To Wheelers credit he figured things out and once he did, CMA started him and played him big minutes.

You guys like to re-write history to fit your narrative. Let's not act like Soriano, Wheeler, Nyiwe, and Stanley all were great to begin the season, all were very raw and struggled learning the system, and CMA stuck with them (despite guys like you that post and complain about rotations and giving guys minutes) and let them play through mistakes and as the season went along all of them got significantly better.

What's also funny about your identifying best players comment is the 2 most consistent guys outside of Posh and Champ were Mathis and Wusu by far and those 2 players get the most hate on this site, especially Wusu. Without those 2 guys play at beginning of the season this would have been a sub .500 team.
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Wheeler DNP-CD
Didn’t really start getting big mins until into BE
Wusu had ball at end of games and half way too frequently. In fact what was deal taking Posh off the ball?
Needed to get more out of Soriano as well
 
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