Villanova a Blue Blood

[quote="Class of 72" post=279246][quote="bamafan" post=279242][quote="Class of 72" post=279240]VILLANOVA BEATS BLUE BLOOD KANSAS! !!!!
How sweet it is for Nova and the Big East![/quote]
I know it's Saturday night but is everyone else out tonight and missing the FINAL 4? Took my wife out for an early dinner to watch the games. Nova very business like and did not need to expend much emotion which I'm sure they stored up for Monday night. Loyola was a great Cinderella for about 34 minutes until the clock struck 12 and the dream ended. I was waiting the whole game for Michigan to overwhelm them and they finally did.[/quote]

I ordered in to watch the games.:)
I was rooting hard for Loyola-Chicago. To be honest, I think they would have beaten Michigan had not the German kid Wagner not had the game of his life. Loyola had no one capable of handling the 6'11 kid with an inside and outside game.
Loved seeing Villanova completely dominate Kansas.
Watched a great game last night with Notre Dame beating Uconn in overtime. Those girls can ball![/quote]
Wagner had a great game no doubt but I think what beat Loyola was in the second half of the second half UM really turned up the defense and Loyola uncharacteristically kept turning it over. They were trying to drive to the basket and there was no play to be made due to the D being played by UM and they started to lose their poise a bit.
 
Nova has just been efficiently dominant. I was annoyed at the Big East showing in the Tourney after the Xavier loss but the dominance of Nova has made up for it

Take it home on monday !!! I'm happy for all my Nova friends
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=279021][quote="Beast of the East" post=279014][quote="Class of 72" post=278953



They also admit many straight A students who score in the 1200 to 1300 range because of other factors in their transcripts.
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I believe this is speculative on your part. The much greater likelihood is that they lower admission requirements to admit athletes, and to achieve both geographical and ethnic/racial/religious diversity. When Father Peter arrived on campus about a dozen years ago, one of his primary goals was to accelerate diversity on campus. This would include international students, students from all 50 states (many of which are not well represented on campus otherwise), and increase minority students. As you suggest, many students not from the Northeast do not take prep courses for SAT/ACT, and do not hire private tutors to help with same. I'm unaware of VIllanova considering students with great grades but poor scores. Some schools have made standardized test submission optional for that purpose, and promote that (Holy Cross may be one of them). Obviously, some kids just test better than others, and standardized testing is defective in many ways in predicting academic success and overall career success.[/quote]

If a student went to a competitive prep school and had straight A's and scored 1200 on the one time SAT but had excellent recommendations, was active in various activities, etc. all that trumps a bullshit SAT score. Athletes get in regardless of SAT score as long as they are B students. Rather than defend the lower 25% at Villanova you should be happy that the other 75% more than make up for it and in spades.
I'd rather hear how you think St. John's can catch up since this is not a Villanova site.;)[/quote]

Sju has many initiatives in place that are improving academics at all area Catholic schools and attracting better students to st johns. I am involved in one of initiatives

In terms of basketball i'd say we are on the right course with the right guy.
 
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All this success with essentially having a 6 guy rotation. Its all about talent and coaching.
 
[quote="SI1996" post=279260]All this success with essentially having a 6 guy rotation. Its all about talent and coaching.[/quote]

They consistently play 8 guys. DiVincenzo, Gillespie and Cosby-Roundtree play decent minutes.
 
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I dont know about other games but last night I think it was only Monte's boy DiVincenzo that got good minutes off the bech ( good I mean double digits )

What Wright is good at is spelling his guys with some quick breaks. Other than Brunson it seemed the other guys all played maybe 30 minutes
 
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not for last night, but for full season here are their avg min/ game

Brides - 32.0
Brunson - 31.9
paschall - 29.9
Divincenzo - 29.1
Spellman - 28.1
Booth - 27.5
Glillespie - 14.3
Cosby Rountree - 11.5


Six other guys - avg 1-6 min in only 11-24 appearances

Essentially a 8 man rotation.... If anything, this should not make us feel to bad about always have 2 transfers sit out if it's a steady flow of decent talent that we can't get out of HS
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=279268]not for last night, but for full season here are their avg min/ game

Brides - 32.0
Brunson - 31.9
paschall - 29.9
Divincenzo - 29.1
Spellman - 28.1
Booth - 27.5
Glillespie - 14.3
Cosby Rountree - 11.5


Six other guys - avg 1-6 min in only 11-24 appearances

Essentially a 8 man rotation.... If anything, this should not make us feel to bad about always have 2 transfers sit out if it's a steady flow of decent talent that we can't get out of HS[/quote]

That is why I don’t mind sit out transfers. Most programs use an 8-10 man rotation. With 13 scholarships available, there is some wiggle room if needed. I just feel the majority of the scholarships should be HS kids.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=279268]not for last night, but for full season here are their avg min/ game

Brides - 32.0
Brunson - 31.9
paschall - 29.9
Divincenzo - 29.1
Spellman - 28.1
Booth - 27.5
Glillespie - 14.3
Cosby Rountree - 11.5


Six other guys - avg 1-6 min in only 11-24 appearances

Essentially a 8 man rotation.... If anything, this should not make us feel to bad about always have 2 transfers sit out if it's a steady flow of decent talent that we can't get out of HS[/quote]

An 8-man rotation would be ideal for us.
My issue with having 2 transfers sit out ‘again’, at this time, is that it beggars our ‘depth’, hampers our 2018-19 season and puts us a year back in ‘progressing’—all of which is magnified by the likely loss of Ponds (and also maybe Simon) after next year.
We need 2 quality bigs ready to go for next season and maybe 1 sit-out guard (as insurance for Ponds leaving).
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=279255][quote="Class of 72" post=279021][quote="Beast of the East" post=279014][quote="Class of 72" post=278953v



They also admit many straight A students who score in the 1200 to 1300 range because of other factors in their transcripts.
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I believe this is speculative on your part. The much greater likelihood is that they lower admission requirements to admit athletes, and to achieve both geographical and ethnic/racial/religious diversity. When Father Peter arrived on campus about a dozen years ago, one of his primary goals was to accelerate diversity on campus. This would include international students, students from all 50 states (many of which are not well represented on campus otherwise), and increase minority students. As you suggest, many students not from the Northeast do not take prep courses for SAT/ACT, and do not hire private tutors to help with same. I'm unaware of VIllanova considering students with great grades but poor scores. Some schools have made standardized test submission optional for that purpose, and promote that (Holy Cross may be one of them). Obviously, some kids just test better than others, and standardized testing is defective in many ways in predicting academic success and overall career success.[/quote]

If a student went to a competitive prep school and had straight A's and scored 1200 on the one time SAT but had excellent recommendations, was active in various activities, etc. all that trumps a bullshit SAT score. Athletes get in regardless of SAT score as long as they are B students. Rather than defend the lower 25% at Villanova you should be happy that the other 75% more than make up for it and in spades.
I'd rather hear how you think St. John's can catch up since this is not a Villanova site.;)[/quote]

Sju has many initiatives in place that are improving academics at all area Catholic schools and attracting better students to st johns. I am involved in one of initiatives

In terms of basketball i'd say we are on the right course with the right guy.[/quote]

Good for you Beast!
Many area colleges have partnered with grammar schools and high schools to market their brand and offer college credit courses with the hope that it draws the participants into enrolling. Queens College partners with Townsend Harris HS on the QC campus but Townsend is one of the top high schools in country. By "catching up" I am referring to moving the dial on the national rankings as St. John's right now, in 2018, has fallen to the very bottom of the conference schools in academics with DePaul Seton Hall putting us in the rear view mirror.
As for the coaches leading us in the right direction, I hope you are 1000% correct. Let's see if in Mullin's senior year of going to basketball college on a $2 million scholarship pays off and he graduates. My gut feeling is that you and others will say he needs a 5th year because of all the remedial work he needed to do in his freshman year.;)

Happy Easter!
 
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You know , I really regret that Lavin did not get 1 more Year and was on the Court for the bare Cupboard instead of Mullin . The 4-5 here who are truly Anti Mullin despite their protests to the Contray , do not represent the majority of St John’s fans or posters . Giving Lavin any Credit for the team of Norm’s 9 Seniors and their NCAA appearance is , at best , half right . Other than that Year , Lavin’s teams of all his best recruits Made the NCAA once . I think the Anti Mullin Group of the well known 4 or 5 nay sayers , ought to focus on what next season can
be , rather than the constant BS about Mullin not coming up through the ranks as a Video Coordinator, Director of Summer Camps , and all the small jobs I guess they think he lacked . BS to that ! I never hear anyone from that Crowd explain how losing Lovett’s guaranteed 15-20 points a game might have contributed to the 11 game losing streak . Nope ! Plus , I would arguably say , with the exception of Harkless , Ponds , Clarke and Simon are better than any 3 players Lavin recruited ! Period . These 3 have more upside than any Lavin Recruit .
 
[attachment=65]tenor.gif[/attachment] [attachment=65]tenor.gif[/attachment][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=279279]You know , I really regret that Lavin did not get 1 more Year and was on the Court for the bare Cupboard instead of Mullin . The 4-5 here who are truly Anti Mullin despite their protests to the Contray , do not represent the majority of St John’s fans or posters . Giving Lavin any Credit for the team of Norm’s 9 Seniors and their NCAA appearance is , at best , half right . Other than that Year , Lavin’s teams of all his best recruits Made the NCAA once . I think the Anti Mullin Group of the well known 4 or 5 nay sayers , ought to focus on what next season can
be , rather than the constant BS about Mullin not coming up through the ranks as a Video Coordinator, Director of Summer Camps , and all the small jobs I guess they think he lacked . BS to that ! I never hear anyone from that Crowd explain how losing Lovett’s guaranteed 15-20 points a game might have contributed to the 11 game losing streak . Nope ! Plus , I would arguably say , with the exception of Harkless , Ponds , Clarke and Simon are better than any 3 players Lavin recruited ! Period . These 3 have more upside than any Lavin Recruit .[/quote]
 
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Watching the success of Villanova and SJU still spinning its wheels makes one think that there are light years between the programs but college basketball is a game where a few individuals can make a major difference in a teams fortunes.
I wonder how much this wide gulf of separation between the two programs would have tightened if Paschall had transferred to SJU and Tarig and his father had been accepted by Vill.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=279279]You know , I really regret that Lavin did not get 1 more Year and was on the Court for the bare Cupboard instead of Mullin . The 4-5 here who are truly Anti Mullin despite their protests to the Contray , do not represent the majority of St John’s fans or posters . Giving Lavin any Credit for the team of Norm’s 9 Seniors and their NCAA appearance is , at best , half right . Other than that Year , Lavin’s teams of all his best recruits Made the NCAA once . I think the Anti Mullin Group of the well known 4 or 5 nay sayers , ought to focus on what next season can
be , rather than the constant BS about Mullin not coming up through the ranks as a Video Coordinator, Director of Summer Camps , and all the small jobs I guess they think he lacked . BS to that ! I never hear anyone from that Crowd explain how losing Lovett’s guaranteed 15-20 points a game might have contributed to the 11 game losing streak . Nope ! Plus , I would arguably say , with the exception of Harkless , Ponds , Clarke and Simon are better than any 3 players Lavin recruited ! Period . These 3 have more upside than any Lavin Recruit .[/quote]

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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=279279]You know , I really regret that Lavin did not get 1 more Year and was on the Court for the bare Cupboard instead of Mullin . The 4-5 here who are truly Anti Mullin despite their protests to the Contray , do not represent the majority of St John’s fans or posters . Giving Lavin any Credit for the team of Norm’s 9 Seniors and their NCAA appearance is , at best , half right . Other than that Year , Lavin’s teams of all his best recruits Made the NCAA once . I think the Anti Mullin Group of the well known 4 or 5 nay sayers , ought to focus on what next season can
be , rather than the constant BS about Mullin not coming up through the ranks as a Video Coordinator, Director of Summer Camps , and all the small jobs I guess they think he lacked . BS to that ! I never hear anyone from that Crowd explain how losing Lovett’s guaranteed 15-20 points a game might have contributed to the 11 game losing streak . Nope ! Plus , I would arguably say , with the exception of Harkless , Ponds , Clarke and Simon are better than any 3 players Lavin recruited ! Period . These 3 have more upside than any Lavin Recruit .[/quote]

You are correct, Lavin only made the dance once with his own players. He also had a losing record only once with his own players. Losing records shoudl NOT BE ACCEPTABLE, not playing in the post season in consecutive years should not be acceptable. Ask anyone who was around. I had no problem getting rid of Lavin, but even back then I was not supportive of Mullin being hired. The dumpster fire this program has been over the past three year's was not hard to predict.

Here's an article about coaching changes that summer:

[URL][URL]https://www.cbssports.com...ngs-2015-college-basketball-coaching-changes/[/URL][/URL]

You will note that all of the other majors hired guys with head coaching experience and track records, like any competently run business would do. Of course I am also sure that none of the coaches who took those jobs would have considered St Johns had a proper search been conducted anyway. So maybe I'm just beating my head against a wall. But at least I'm not hiding it in the sand like you are.
 
PS if you think Clarke is better than Sampson you're a fool. I won't get into the Simon vs. D Lo/Sir Dom/Rysheed comps as they're a bit closer. And I like both those players but they're not good enough to lead a BE Conference title contender.
 
[quote="austour" post=279308]PS if you think Clarke is better than Sampson you're a fool. I won't get into the Simon vs. D Lo/Sir Dom/Rysheed comps as they're a bit closer. And I like both those players but they're not good enough to lead a BE Conference title contender.[/quote] I love Clark and Simon but to discard Karr and D'lo was beyond an insane statement and giving Lavin less than 50% credit for the first season. We've been through that with facts about what Norm did the years before it and it's a losing argument
 
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SLYFOXX1968 wrote: Nope ! Plus , I would arguably say , with the exception of Harkless , Ponds , Clarke and Simon are better than any 3 players Lavin recruited ! Period . These 3 have more upside than any Lavin Recruit .

Statements like the above are just incredibly ridiculous. Ponds is super and Simon & Clarke had very solid 1st years with us. To imply though that they somehow have shown more potential than Dlo/Sir Dom, Jakarr & Phil Greene is unnecessary and just plain wrong. Can we please stop with the pointless references/comparisons to Steve Lavin and concentrate on improving the current state of the program, which could clearly use some help?
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=279310][quote="austour" post=279308]PS if you think Clarke is better than Sampson you're a fool. I won't get into the Simon vs. D Lo/Sir Dom/Rysheed comps as they're a bit closer. And I like both those players but they're not good enough to lead a BE Conference title contender.[/quote] I love Clark and Simon but to discard Karr and D'lo was beyond an insane statement and giving Lavin less than 50% credit for the first season. We've been through that with facts about what Norm did the years before it and it's a losing argument[/quote]

Yeah, but every time I respond to him I do just that and forget about 2010/11 anyway. Even starting from the 11/12 team with one returning player (Norm's Fault) and comparing the next 3 years to Mullin's 3 years there's simply no comparison. I understand Mullin is the greatest player in the history of the program and expect him to have his fluffers but still, you got to look at the record eventually. He is so far the worst coach the program has ever had. Hopefully he turns this thing around.
 
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