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[quote="austour" post=279312][quote="mjmaherjr" post=279310][quote="austour" post=279308]PS if you think Clarke is better than Sampson you're a fool. I won't get into the Simon vs. D Lo/Sir Dom/Rysheed comps as they're a bit closer. And I like both those players but they're not good enough to lead a BE Conference title contender.[/quote] I love Clark and Simon but to discard Karr and D'lo was beyond an insane statement and giving Lavin less than 50% credit for the first season. We've been through that with facts about what Norm did the years before it and it's a losing argument[/quote]

Yeah, but every time I respond to him I do just that and forget about 2010/11 anyway. Even starting from the 11/12 team with one returning player (Norm's Fault) and comparing the next 3 years to Mullin's 3 years there's simply no comparison. I understand Mullin is the greatest player in the history of the program and expect him to have his fluffers but still, you got to look at the record eventually. He is so far the worst coach the program has ever had. Hopefully he turns this thing around.[/quote] At this point I'm just hoping we get the Brentwood kid and another big and let's hope for a big year next year and let's hope that's enough to get the ball rolling for the future. I see reasons to be hopeful for that but I also see reasons to not be hopeful. And I'm fine with people who wanted Lavin gone at the end but let's not exaggerate things to help an argument. Everything you have written is pretty much factual and I remember back then you pretty much wanted Lavin gone so it's not like you have an agenda
 
ALL-MET ELITE
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Mikal Bridges/Villanova
Wasn't a AA or top 50 ESPN
Redshirted his 1st year
Started 0 games his 2nd yr
Avg less than 10 pts his 3rd yr
Avg less than 20 pts his 4th yr
Won an NCAA C & will be a lottery pick in June
 
ALL-MET ELITE
@all_metelite
Mikal Bridges/Villanova
Wasn't a AA or top 50 ESPN
Redshirted his 1st year
Started 0 games his 2nd yr
Avg less than 10 pts his 3rd yr
Avg less than 20 pts his 4th yr
Won an NCAA C & will be a lottery pick in June
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279314]ALL-MET ELITE
@all_metelite
Mikal Bridges/Villanova
Wasn't a AA or top 50 ESPN
Redshirted his 1st year
Started 0 games his 2nd yr
Avg less than 10 pts his 3rd yr
Avg less than 20 pts his 4th yr
Won an NCAA C & will be a lottery pick in June[/quote] Now that is being coached up ( plus obviously the kid has great work ethic ) kudos to him
 
He was a consensus top 100 4 star player. So maybe not top 50 but consensus top 100.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=279311]SLYFOXX1968 wrote: Nope ! Plus , I would arguably say , with the exception of Harkless , Ponds , Clarke and Simon are better than any 3 players Lavin recruited ! Period . These 3 have more upside than any Lavin Recruit .

Statements like the above are just incredibly ridiculous. Ponds is super and Simon & Clarke had very solid 1st years with us. To imply though that they somehow have shown more potential than Dlo/Sir Dom, Jakarr & Phil Greene is unnecessary and just plain wrong. Can we please stop with the pointless references/comparisons to Steve Lavin and concentrate on improving the current state of the program, which could clearly use some help?[/quote]

That remark about our former players pissed me off a bit. Forget the off court drama and Lavs players were the most highly recruited players are St. John's in many years. Only Shamorie Ponds was in that class of players coming directly out of high school in the Mullin years. Except for Norvell Pelle, all his recruits actually made it to campus even after sitting. I'm still waiting for recruits out of high school rated as high as Harrison, Pointer, D'Angelo, Phil, Harkless, Amir, Sampson, Obepka and Rysheed Jordan. That's 9 players rated at least 4 star in prep polls. Shamorie and the guard coming out of high school this year are the only 4 star players to date not originally recruited by Steve Lavin's staff like Marcus LoVett and Federico Mussini. We are now heavily transfer reliant with players that never considered St. John's as their destination. That is not a good recipe for long term player retention.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=279322]Freud was 4 star

https://247sports.com/player/richard-freudenberg-85519

Yakwe too but that was a mix of Lavin/Mullin timing[/quote]

Class of '72's list are the consensus top 100 players recruited by Lavin, besides PGIII. Check RSCI if you need confirmation. Sigmund was not one of those and never would have been. Yakwe might have been top 100 in his original class but his late reclassification and commitment really screwed up his chances on this but as you said he, and Lovett who was a consensus top 100 as well, were a mix of Lavin and Mullin. So in his first 4 classes Mullin signed 2.5 consensus top 100's out of HS and got one more as a transfer. Lavin signed 6 in 2011 alone plus one each in 2010 (Dwayne Polee was consensus top 100), 2012 and 2013 (and no I did not count Jakarr twice ;) ) That's 9, 8 of whom made it to campus, and 8 is still a lot more than 2.5. And he also had a top consensus top 100 transfer as well. That's why despite being a mediocre coach Lavin only had 1 losing/non post season team at STJ.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=279315]ALL-MET ELITE
@all_metelite
Mikal Bridges/Villanova
Wasn't a AA or top 50 ESPN
Redshirted his 1st year
Started 0 games his 2nd yr
Avg less than 10 pts his 3rd yr
Avg less than 20 pts his 4th yr
Won an NCAA C & will be a lottery pick in June[/quote]

And he didn't sulk and transfer after his Fresh, Soph and Junior season.
 
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[quote="austour" post=279323][quote="RedStormNC" post=279322]Freud was 4 star

https://247sports.com/player/richard-freudenberg-85519

Yakwe too but that was a mix of Lavin/Mullin timing[/quote]

Class of '72's list are the consensus top 100 players recruited by Lavin, besides PGIII. Check RSCI if you need confirmation. Sigmund was not one of those and never would have been. Yakwe might have been top 100 in his original class but his late reclassification and commitment really screwed up his chances on this but as you said he, and Lovett who was a consensus top 100 as well, were a mix of Lavin and Mullin. So in his first 4 classes Mullin signed 2.5 consensus top 100's out of HS and got one more as a transfer. Lavin signed 6 in 2011 alone plus one each in 2010 (Dwayne Polee was consensus top 100), 2012 and 2013 (and no I did not count Jakarr twice ;) ) That's 9, 8 of whom made it to campus, and 8 is still a lot more than 2.5. And he also had a top consensus top 100 transfer as well. That's why despite being a mediocre coach Lavin only had 1 losing/non post season team at STJ.[/quote]

You and I are basically wasting our time regurgitating "facts" to contest the contempt some folks have for Steve Lavin on this site. Using former Lavin players to crap on in order to make some pro Mullin defense is disingenuous and actually doesn't deserve a response.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=279325][quote="austour" post=279323][quote="RedStormNC" post=279322]Freud was 4 star

https://247sports.com/player/richard-freudenberg-85519

Yakwe too but that was a mix of Lavin/Mullin timing[/quote]

Class of '72's list are the consensus top 100 players recruited by Lavin, besides PGIII. Check RSCI if you need confirmation. Sigmund was not one of those and never would have been. Yakwe might have been top 100 in his original class but his late reclassification and commitment really screwed up his chances on this but as you said he, and Lovett who was a consensus top 100 as well, were a mix of Lavin and Mullin. So in his first 4 classes Mullin signed 2.5 consensus top 100's out of HS and got one more as a transfer. Lavin signed 6 in 2011 alone plus one each in 2010 (Dwayne Polee was consensus top 100), 2012 and 2013 (and no I did not count Jakarr twice ;) ) That's 9, 8 of whom made it to campus, and 8 is still a lot more than 2.5. And he also had a top consensus top 100 transfer as well. That's why despite being a mediocre coach Lavin only had 1 losing/non post season team at STJ.[/quote]

You and I are basically wasting our time regurgitating "facts" to contest the contempt some folks have for Steve Lavin on this site. Using former Lavin players to crap on in order to make some pro Mullin defense is disingenuous and actually doesn't deserve a response.[/quote]

In response to austour, NCJohnnie and Class of '72, per their response to Slyfoxx.... He's the "real" hater. He loathes Lavin. Frankly, I've long noticed his post has been disingenuous, '72, as I've stated such several years ago. It doesn't have anything to do with Lavin as coach of St. John's. I think he's envious of Lavin for some reason or another, and have chosen to make it personal.

What's up with the "anti-Lavin" and "anti-Mullin" BS? Actually, I highly doubt anyone is anti-Mullin on here, as I mentioned previously, other than the two dudes who are pining for Rick Pitino. Most folks on here was either high on Mullin or willing to give him a chance, even if they wasn't high on him.

Several folks can see what's in front of 'em, while others know what's actually going on behind the scenes. To paint people as being anti-Mullin tells me it's him who is being "anti." He's anti-Lavin, as he hates him, so he's trying to paint others with a broad brush by calling 'em anti-Mullin when that's not true at all. I wish he'd stop with the choosing of sides like it's politics, as I can clearly see what he's doing. He's projecting his personality on others. Cut it out, dude. It's rather transparent, IMO.

The majority of the shit Slyfoxx says doesn't either make any 1) sense; 2) contradictory; 3) hypocritical, or 4) even flat out fabrication at other times. He once was knocking Lavin for recruiting Dom Pointer, and questioned why he never recruited Tyler Harris (Providence) several years ago. I responded by attaching 3 or 4 links where Lavin actually did recruit Harris (which, I had already known), and he replied with some outlandish BS, instead of admitting he was wrong.

He's insecure and petty, as can be. This is why I'm gonna continue to swing my proverbial foot up his and another poster or two asses on here when they spout off with their BS (particularly, Slyfoxx). Logic and facts are either countered with obfuscation or illogical rhetoric, or totally ignored altogether.

So, why waste time presenting our objective arguments or gospel when it'll be replied to in the manner I've mentioned above? The gloves are off, and I'm coming out swinging like a teenaged and early-20's Mike Tyson.

Please, spare me with the "feigning the victim" crap that I know will eventually come my way. People like him deserve everything thrown at 'em.
 
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Everyone should take others views and leanings with a grain of salt. The responses are almost like hearing the different versions of the news on CNN and FOX. Here, the Republicans seem to favor Mullin while the Democrats favor Lavin. As an independent I try to keep an open mind to both sides of opinion. Some, wisely, like JerseyShoreJohnny's posts are neutral. He's a very smart fan. Others are really close to the day to day goings on like Sterling, Bob,Happy, and a few others here. I respect their opinions greatly. We are all big fans of the redmen and that is all that matters. Nothing we say will change the facts about the past no matter how much some fans try to embellish it with personal prejudices. Nothing will change the current record regardless of the extenuating circumstances like LoVett and Sid Wilson.
To date, all is forgivable. What occurs this off season will be a big measuring stick for the future of the program. If the staff keeps striking out with that stick fans need to be vocal that mediocrity will not be acceptable. The headline has long faded about the Chris Mullin hire. The two Hall of Famers shtick has not been a factor in recruiting. The one man recruiting strategy has become laughable. Fans want to begin to see some meaningful changes. Being last is not acceptable on a yearly basis. Anyone who disagrees needs to look in the mirror and ask if the disagreeing is more personal than objective. I'm not here counting my karma points or caring about those few guys that instantly like a counter opinion to mine. If I like what someone says I say it and if I don't I say it. The particular poster is irrelevant to me.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=279402]hope Mullin is watching the Nova rebounding[/quote]

More important I hope the players are watching. Rebounding is not just boxing our but heart, desire and hustle too.
 
I hope Mullin and team are watching the spacing in the Villanova offense when extends and spreads the defense.
 
they swarm the paint to rebound. Heck I hope anyone on the staff is watching Its early on the west coast
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=279409]they swarm the paint to rebound. Heck I hope anyone on the staff is watching Its early on the west coast[/quote]
May not have gotten home from the beach in time. Mullin spotted buying new pair of flip flops for himself and Mitch.
 
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