Vaccine

[otis]

...... my granddaughter......  she was able to socialize with her teammates on the Cross Country team and Archbishop Molloy won the Girls Varsity Cross Country Championship this season.
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Panther is being modest.  His granddaughter was not just on the championship Malloy Girls Varsity Cross Country team this recently completed season, she was the one and only freshmen to make the Varsity team.  Hey Sterling, be proud.
 

 

[JohnnyFan]

Why does everyone have to get the vaccine, I always thought that if someone gets a vaccine that they'd be safe, whether another person gets the vaccine or not.
this is the first time that I'm hearing that everyone has to get the vaccine.
that's why I get suspicious.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm comfortable getting it.

Respectfully, you should read about how vaccines work.  The suggestion that we need a high percentage of people to get the shot is not new and should not make you skeptical.

There are several reasons, but I'll give you two:

1.)  Relatively no vaccines are 100% effective.  The measels shot is close (97%), but the flu shot averages about 60%.  That said, if I get a vaccine and I am surrounded only by other people who have had that vaccine, it elevates my protection or reduces my chances of contracting the virus.  Conversely, if I am surround only by people who did not take the vaccine, my protection is limited to the vaccine's effective rate.

2.)  The chief goal is to completely retire Covid19.  We could do that it a very high percentage of people get the vaccine.  However, if we allow it to linger around, it will just contiune to mutate and become an annual concern (like the flu, but more problematic over the initial years).

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are shown to be highly effective with comparatively safe side effect profiles. The companies themselves do not participate in data collection during Phase III trials.  This is not a scam and the lightening quick speed was achieved through harnessing the best minds and unlimited resources.  No safety protocals were skipped or eliminated.  

Just some food for consideration.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Why does everyone have to get the vaccine, I always thought that if someone gets a vaccine that they'd be safe, whether another person gets the vaccine or not.
this is the first time that I'm hearing that everyone has to get the vaccine.
that's why I get suspicious.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm comfortable getting it.

Respectfully, you should read about how vaccines work.  The suggestion that we need a high percentage of people to get the shot is not new and should not make you skeptical.

There are several reasons, but I'll give you two:

1.)  Relatively no vaccines are 100% effective.  The measels shot is close (97%), but the flu shot averages about 60%.  That said, if I get a vaccine and I am surrounded only by other people who have had that vaccine, it elevates my protection or reduces my chances of contracting the virus.  Conversely, if I am surround only by people who did not take the vaccine, my protection is limited to the vaccine's effective rate.

2.)  The chief goal is to completely retire Covid19.  We could do that it a very high percentage of people get the vaccine.  However, if we allow it to linger around, it will just contiune to mutate and become an annual concern (like the flu, but more problematic over the initial years).

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are shown to be highly effective with comparatively safe side effect profiles. The companies themselves do not participate in data collection during Phase III trials.  This is not a scam and the lightening quick speed was achieved through harnessing the best minds and unlimited resources.  No safety protocals were skipped or eliminated.  

Just some food for consideration.




my doctor also said Carnesseca Arena Upper Level sitting will help as an immunity booster so looks like I'll have to start sitting there again for a game or 2 each season to help develop antibodies
 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Also while mot exactly vaccine related but just an FYI as all you guys know people that have been affected but one of my best friends has basically self quarantined since March other than medical stuff because he has prior health stuff. Anyway thxgiving his wife and kids go to his mother in laws for thxgiving he wouldn't go. There were 11 people there. His wife's sister ended up having covid without symptoms at the time and 9 out if the other 10 got covid and he ended up getting it from his wife and ended up getting the same treatment Trump got. Thankfully he's ok now but has lingering fatigue stuff. So be careful and really try to avoid Grouo settings. We self isolated before Xmas and still are till  so Nathalie and I could see our families but now I'm done with that stuff till the spring after New Years 

 

[camz]

Also while mot exactly vaccine related but just an FYI as all you guys know people that have been affected but one of my best friends has basically self quarantined since March other than medical stuff because he has prior health stuff. Anyway thxgiving his wife and kids go to his mother in laws for thxgiving he wouldn't go. There were 11 people there. His wife's sister ended up having covid without symptoms at the time and 9 out if the other 10 got covid and he ended up getting it from his wife and ended up getting the same treatment Trump got. Thankfully he's ok now but has lingering fatigue stuff. So be careful and really try to avoid Grouo settings. We self isolated before Xmas and still are till  so Nathalie and I could see our families but now I'm done with that stuff till the spring after New Years.

I read where some idiot went to work sick and is now linked to 7 deaths.

Gotta make a law where if you're sick, and people die because you don't give a crap, you should be charged with 25 to life.
I'd think would make people not go if sick.
they do tel people to stay home if sick.

 

 

[SJUFAN2]

I read where some idiot went to work sick and is now linked to 7 deaths.

Gotta make a law where if you're sick, and people die because you don't give a crap, you should be charged with 25 to life.
I'd think would make people not go if sick.
they do tel people to stay home if sick.

I don't mean this the wrong way, but where have you been for the last 10 months?   How could you possibly enforce that law especially when its very possible to have this virus and show no symptoms, yet still be passing it on to people more suceptible than you are to its effects?

Just spitballing here but maybe if everyone got vaccinated and wore a mask for a few months then this thing would burn itself out because the population would have herd immunity and there wouldn't be enough viable hosts to allow it to spread.  
 

 

[Knight]

We need to find a vaccine for those that have developed an immunity to common sense.

 

[beast of the east]

I read where some idiot went to work sick and is now linked to 7 deaths.

Gotta make a law where if you're sick, and people die because you don't give a crap, you should be charged with 25 to life.
I'd think would make people not go if sick.
they do tel people to stay home if sick.

 

I don't mean this the wrong way, but where have you been for the last 10 months?   How could you possibly enforce that law especially when its very possible to have this virus and show no symptoms, yet still be passing it on to people more suceptible than you are to its effects?

Just spitballing here but maybe if everyone got vaccinated and wore a mask for a few months then this thing would burn itself out because the population would have herd immunity and there wouldn't be enough viable hosts to allow it to spread.  

 

In terms of eradicating Covid, I fear that will be years or even decades away.   With a highly contagious disease that has spread around the globe, people from countries with low vaccination rates will continually enter the U.S., especially NY, LAX, and Hartsfield airport in ATL (the businest airport in the US I believe).    Of course, that is in no way license not to take the greatest precuations, such as vaccines, wearing masks (and preferably gloves which no one does), and frequent hand washings.   There is even specualtion that the virus can enter through your eyes, so the best thing to do right now is isolate and take the precuations even if they may not be highly effective in preventing the spread.    

Honestly, I like Fauci a lot, as he is a product of NYC and Catholic education in HS and College, but he has shifted gears too often for me to say he is the bible, and nothing he has stated even remotely contains scientific information about the virus stated in layman understandable terms.

We must keep businesses open.   Printing stimulus checks is fine, but our children (and grandchildren) will be paying off the cost of trillion dollar stimulus bills for decades.    If anyone projects that this burden will just fall on corporations and the wealthy, they are sadly mistaken.    On top of this massive, almost unthinkable debt, the thought of entitlement proposals to cancel college student loan debt, provide free tuition at public universities, or provide medicare for all including those here illegally will almost certainly put one more entity out of business - our government.

 

 

[MCNPA]

Why does everyone have to get the vaccine, I always thought that if someone gets a vaccine that they'd be safe, whether another person gets the vaccine or not.
this is the first time that I'm hearing that everyone has to get the vaccine.
that's why I get suspicious.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm comfortable getting it.

I have 3 patients in my ICU currently.  Males in their mid 40's, all with massive hypercoagulable issues, all with pulmonary embolism and deep vein thrombosis from covid.  We are seeing young people get heart attacks and strokes from these clotting issues brought on by covid. Don't just look at the death rate because it doesn't tell the whole story.  

The vaccine is amazing technology. It's safe despite some Rare allergic reactions.  It doesn't penetrate the cell and cause changes dna like covid can.  The vaccine is exponentially safer than playing Russian roulette with the virus.  Trust me as I've already personally pronounced plenty dead from this thing.  Everybody would understand if they were also able to see the fear on a young man's face in their 30's who has been struggling to breathe all day every day for 3 weeks without it getting better, clots in his lungs and legs, fevers and down the line.  

There simply is no comparison as to the safety of the vaccine vs covid.  Covid penetrates cellls and causes problems that we still have no idea how to treat.  

 

[beast of the east]

A repeat of this very useful article of how we got to a vaccine so quickly, but it also covers the basic mechanism of action of the vaccine and why it differs from other types of traditional vaccines that create an immune response (antibodies) to a very low exposure to a pathogen.

[URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-the-coronavirus-vaccines-were-made-so-fast_n_5fd27425c5b68ce1718664e7[/URL]]www.huffpost.com/entry/why-the-coronavir...7425c5b68ce1718664e7[/url]

There are better, more in depth articles on how this vaccine works, but this is a good primer on how we got here so quickly.

 

[Eric]

Good to hear most on here are wanting and waiting for their turn to be vaccinated.  

 

[Eric]

Also while mot exactly vaccine related but just an FYI as all you guys know people that have been affected but one of my best friends has basically self quarantined since March other than medical stuff because he has prior health stuff. Anyway thxgiving his wife and kids go to his mother in laws for thxgiving he wouldn't go. There were 11 people there. His wife's sister ended up having covid without symptoms at the time and 9 out if the other 10 got covid and he ended up getting it from his wife and ended up getting the same treatment Trump got. Thankfully he's ok now but has lingering fatigue stuff. So be careful and really try to avoid Grouo settings. We self isolated before Xmas and still are till  so Nathalie and I could see our families but now I'm done with that stuff till the spring after New Years 



Pretyy crazy story and one I have stressed to a lot of people about that gathering in the home.  You just never know how you will react to it which makes it scary.  

 

 

[Eric]

I have 3 patients in my ICU currently.  Males in their mid 40's, all with massive hypercoagulable issues, all with pulmonary embolism and deep vein thrombosis from covid.  We are seeing young people get heart attacks and strokes from these clotting issues brought on by covid. Don't just look at the death rate because it doesn't tell the whole story.  

The vaccine is amazing technology. It's safe despite some Rare allergic reactions.  It doesn't penetrate the cell and cause changes dna like covid can.  The vaccine is exponentially safer than playing Russian roulette with the virus.  Trust me as I've already personally pronounced plenty dead from this thing.  Everybody would understand if they were also able to see the fear on a young man's face in their 30's who has been struggling to breathe all day every day for 3 weeks without it getting better, clots in his lungs and legs, fevers and down the line.  

There simply is no comparison as to the safety of the vaccine vs covid.  Covid penetrates cellls and causes problems that we still have no idea how to treat.  




I appreciate this post mcnpa.  I too have seen a lot in the hospital and of course those deaths are so terrible.   Rarely do people even discuss the effects on many who get the disease and "recover" with so many ailments.  

 

[camz]

I read where some idiot went to work sick and is now linked to 7 deaths.

Gotta make a law where if you're sick, and people die because you don't give a crap, you should be charged with 25 to life.
I'd think would make people not go if sick.
they do tel people to stay home if sick.

 

I don't mean this the wrong way, but where have you been for the last 10 months?   How could you possibly enforce that law especially when its very possible to have this virus and show no symptoms, yet still be passing it on to people more suceptible than you are to its effects?

Just spitballing here but maybe if everyone got vaccinated and wore a mask for a few months then this thing would burn itself out because the population would have herd immunity and there wouldn't be enough viable hosts to allow it to spread.  

yeah, I already know some people show no symptoms,, thanks for the update.
I did say that this guy was sick so he must of had the symptoms.
Go ahead sjufan, take the vaccine.
 

 

[SJUFAN2]

EliteBaller K" post=410608

yeah, I already know some people show no symptoms,, thanks for the update.
I did say that this guy was sick so he must of had the symptoms.
Go ahead sjufan, take the vaccine.
 

 I think you are missing the point.   Actually two points. 
1) You can be sick and contagious without symptoms.  
2) Taking a vaccine isn't just about you, its also about the people you won't accidentally infect because you are a carrier and haven't bothered to be vaccinated.   

I find it puzzling (to say the least) that someone could be all in favor of having people wear masks to protect other people, even going so far as to suggest people who knowingly endanger others by carelessly/selfishly ignoring the mask mandate should face jail time, and yet think its somehow ok or different to refuse to be vaccinated.

People who don't get vaccinated will be part of the problem, not the solution when it comes to eradicating this virus.  They will be the one's who keep it active in our society by getting it and passing it to others who have also not been vaccinated.  You undertand that, don't you?   


 

 

[camz]

EliteBaller K" post=410608

yeah, I already know some people show no symptoms,, thanks for the update.
I did say that this guy was sick so he must of had the symptoms.
Go ahead sjufan, take the vaccine.
 

 I think you are missing the point.   Actually two points. 
1) You can be sick and contagious without symptoms.  
2) Taking a vaccine isn't just about you, its also about the people you won't accidentally infect because you are a carrier and haven't bothered to be vaccinated.   

I find it puzzling (to say the least) that someone could be all in favor of having people wear masks to protect other people, even going so far as to suggest people who knowingly endanger others by carelessly/selfishly ignoring the mask mandate should face jail time, and yet think its somehow ok or different to refuse to be vaccinated.

People who don't get vaccinated will be part of the problem, not the solution when it comes to eradicating this virus.  They will be the one's who keep it active in our society by getting it and passing it to others who have also not been vaccinated.  You undertand that, don't you?   

Fan, where in any of my posts did I ever say that I'm refusing the vaccine? I believe I said I'm going to wait before taking it.
waiting is different then refusing it.
no one will ever tell me that I have to hurry to take it. My body and will take it when I DECIDE TO.



 

 

[SJUFAN2]

EliteBaller K" post=410620

EliteBaller K" post=410608

yeah, I already know some people show no symptoms,, thanks for the update.
I did say that this guy was sick so he must of had the symptoms.
Go ahead sjufan, take the vaccine.
 

 I think you are missing the point.   Actually two points. 
1) You can be sick and contagious without symptoms.  
2) Taking a vaccine isn't just about you, its also about the people you won't accidentally infect because you are a carrier and haven't bothered to be vaccinated.   

I find it puzzling (to say the least) that someone could be all in favor of having people wear masks to protect other people, even going so far as to suggest people who knowingly endanger others by carelessly/selfishly ignoring the mask mandate should face jail time, and yet think its somehow ok or different to refuse to be vaccinated.

People who don't get vaccinated will be part of the problem, not the solution when it comes to eradicating this virus.  They will be the one's who keep it active in our society by getting it and passing it to others who have also not been vaccinated.  You undertand that, don't you?   

Fan, where in any of my posts did I ever say that I'm refusing the vaccine? I believe I said I'm going to wait before taking it.
waiting is different then refusing it.
no one will ever tell me that I have to hurry to take it. My body and will take it when I DECIDE TO.





 

That's fine.  You are entitled to do that.  

I'm just pointing out that its inconsistent to be worried about the possible spread of the virus by people who are careless with masks (to the point of incarcerating them) when you are waiting for some sort of signal that its ok to take the vaccine.   Will you be self quarantining while you sort that out?   Or are you going to just operate as normal and risk spreading it if you turn out to be one of those who has no symptoms when they have it? 

 

[camz]

EliteBaller K" post=410620

EliteBaller K" post=410608

yeah, I already know some people show no symptoms,, thanks for the update.
I did say that this guy was sick so he must of had the symptoms.
Go ahead sjufan, take the vaccine.
 

 I think you are missing the point.   Actually two points. 
1) You can be sick and contagious without symptoms.  
2) Taking a vaccine isn't just about you, its also about the people you won't accidentally infect because you are a carrier and haven't bothered to be vaccinated.   

I find it puzzling (to say the least) that someone could be all in favor of having people wear masks to protect other people, even going so far as to suggest people who knowingly endanger others by carelessly/selfishly ignoring the mask mandate should face jail time, and yet think its somehow ok or different to refuse to be vaccinated.

People who don't get vaccinated will be part of the problem, not the solution when it comes to eradicating this virus.  They will be the one's who keep it active in our society by getting it and passing it to others who have also not been vaccinated.  You undertand that, don't you?   

Fan, where in any of my posts did I ever say that I'm refusing the vaccine? I believe I said I'm going to wait before taking it.
waiting is different then refusing it.
no one will ever tell me that I have to hurry to take it. My body and will take it when I DECIDE TO.






 

That's fine.  You are entitled to do that.  

I'm just pointing out that its inconsistent to be worried about the possible spread of the virus by people who are careless with masks (to the point of incarcerating them) when you are waiting for some sort of signal that its ok to take the vaccine.   Will you be self quarantining while you sort that out?   Or are you going to just operate as normal and risk spreading it if you turn out to be one of those who has no symptoms when they have it? 

Yeach ill self Quarantine but only if I'm sick.
They Say to take the vaccine, that it's rare you get sick.
So how do I know that I won't get sick?
I'm taking care of myself, before others. Sounds selfish? Then oh well.

Now I'm done talking about this.​​​​
 

 

[JohnnyFan]

EliteBaller K" post=410608

yeah, I already know some people show no symptoms,, thanks for the update.
I did say that this guy was sick so he must of had the symptoms.
Go ahead sjufan, take the vaccine.
 

 I think you are missing the point.   Actually two points. 
1) You can be sick and contagious without symptoms.  
2) Taking a vaccine isn't just about you, its also about the people you won't accidentally infect because you are a carrier and haven't bothered to be vaccinated.   

I find it puzzling (to say the least) that someone could be all in favor of having people wear masks to protect other people, even going so far as to suggest people who knowingly endanger others by carelessly/selfishly ignoring the mask mandate should face jail time, and yet think its somehow ok or different to refuse to be vaccinated.

People who don't get vaccinated will be part of the problem, not the solution when it comes to eradicating this virus.  They will be the one's who keep it active in our society by getting it and passing it to others who have also not been vaccinated.  You undertand that, don't you?   







 

Your second point is our achilies heal.  Not just with the vaccines, but also with masks, travel, and indoor get-togethers.  We can repeat the manta "we're all in this together", but we're really not.  Americans don't want to be inconvenienced and we don't want anyone telling us what to do.  This spoiled mentality has made the pandemic worse than it had to be.  But, hey.....what does science know?

 

[mjmaherjr]

I really appreciate the poiny elite baller is bringing. That being said at the he t 114 game we are grabbing him and holding him down and Ralph will have him in head lock and he's getting that fucking shot in his sss but I'll buy him a Bronx pale ale