Vaccine

The article cited 6 reactions to the vaccine, and did not describe what the reactions were.   Millions of first of two injections have already been administered.

People, including physicians often do not distinguish between adverse reactions to a drug and a true allergic reactions to an agent.  Even hypersensitivity to an agent and an allergy are two different things.  All agents have adverse side effects.

Bottom line, this as all agents. Is risk benefit.   300,000 americans have died, and millions have been infected.    The benefit to the public vs. six severe reported reactions is an insane discussion to have at this point, which will only dissuade individuals from getting the vaccine.    Best advice - if you have a history of hypersensitivity to drugs or other vaccines, perhaps wait until more data is available.  Everyone else, get it.

I'll defer to the most qualified person here to discuss this, CTSTORM, who is a distinguished professor of pharmacology and a phD.

Thankful for front line clinicians like mcnpa and others here
 
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Beast of the East" post=410414 said:
The article cited 6 reactions to the vaccine, and did not describe what the reactions were.   Millions of first of two injections have already been administered.

People, including physicians often do not distinguish between adverse reactions to a drug and a true allergic reactions to an agent.  Even hypersensitivity to an agent and an allergy are two different things.  All agents have adverse side effects.

Bottom line, this as all agents. Is risk benefit.   300,000 americans have died, and millions have been infected.    The benefit to the public vs. six severe reported reactions is an insane discussion to have at this point, which will only dissuade individuals from getting the vaccine.    Best advice - if you have a history of hypersensitivity to drugs or other vaccines, perhaps wait until more data is available.  Everyone else, get it.

I'll defer to the most qualified person here to discuss this, CTSTORM, who is a distinguished professor of pharmacology and a phD.

Thankful for front line clinicians like mcnpa and others here

Thanks for the plug but I know even less about immunologyg than I do about basketball. But you are of course right that everything will produce adverse effects in someone. Let's hope that 2021 brings a return to near normal life.
 
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What's worse an advserse reaction to the vaccine in a couple people or the adverse reaction to most of us after recruiting and game losses ?
 
I have heard today from my buddy who is a doctor of immunology today.  He talked about the two vaccines that are currently available which are "mRNA" Vaccines.  He noted some problems with this type of vaccine as to fragility/short shelf life; eg., storage at extremely low temperatures.  He noted the Moderna vaccine solving this problem for which he had nothing but praise for the scientists who achieved this.  The biggest problem he sees is whether Americans will have enough sense to get vaccinated to achieve "herd immunity", which is estimated to be 75% plus.  He also noted that the new strain that is eminating from England is a more contagiuos variant which has raised the herd immunity to 90% of the population getting the vaccine. (By comparison, the highly contagious measels virus was contained when vaccination rates reached 94%.)  Sadly, he feels that the amount of anti-vax info out there will cause America to not reach sufficient levels of vaccination to combat the virus.
 
Real or imagined, distrust is just a sign of the times we are living in and that is not going to change anytime soon. 
 
Thankful my dad wil be the first of our family to get vaccinated with his first shot Jan 4. This gives me hope my dad can make it back to England for my sons 2nd birthday in tbe spring. We haven't seen his since last March for the 1st birthday party.

As someone stated we have a new variant here in the U.K. that is estimated to be 70% more transmissible. More of the U.K. went into our strictest lockdown.  All of London went into lockdown about a week ago and I expect we will stay in it through Jan.
 
gman" post=410472 said:
Thankful my dad wil be the first of our family to get vaccinated with his first shot Jan 4. This gives me hope my dad can make it back to England for my sons 2nd birthday in tbe spring. We haven't seen his since last March for the 1st birthday party.

As someone stated we have a new variant here in the U.K. that is estimated to be 70% more transmissible. More of the U.K. went into our strictest lockdown.  All of London went into lockdown about a week ago and I expect we will stay in it through Jan.


how did your dad find out ? His doctor called ?
 
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Mike he is a volunteer paramedic so he is getting it as a first responder.
 
gman" post=410474 said:
Mike he is a volunteer paramedic so he is getting it as a first responder.


Great. Hopefully my dad will be getting it soon as he is volunteer fireman plus has ore existing condition plus he's 82. My brother the cop is supposed to be getting it in the ne t week or 2
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Read a statstic today that 1 in 1,000 Americans have now died from the virus. If that does not convince people to take the vaccine, I don't know what will.
 
Tough to comment on this subject without violating Paul's directive which I have done all too often, so I will leave it at my general distrust comment above. 
 
 
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I am looking forward to taking the Vaccine. Being 72 years old with diabetes, two types of cancer that are presently in remission, having had lung surgery for pneumonia and pleuresy, I understand that my chances of surviving the virus are slim. The Pandemic takes a psychological toll also. When I see that the mortality rate has reached 1 out of 1,000 Americans, it scares me.

My wife and I are raising our 14 year old granddaughter who is a freshman in high school. I hope to be here when she is a freshman in college. Our lives have changed dramatically. Family is everything to us. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and other occasions there would be at least 50 of us gathered together, four generations of family. It has been a year since we have been able to get together. I find myself praying that we will all be able to get together sometime in 2021.

Aside from myself, I have to look at how the Pandemic is affecting my granddaughter. She goes to school on a hybrid schedule and the days she is in school physically, she has to leave immediately after. There is very little socialization or chance to interact with her new classmates. The one positive thing is that she was able to socialize with her teammates on the Cross Country team and Archbishop Molloy won the Girls Varsity Cross Country Championship this season.

I feel as if I have lost my freedom. Things that I used to take for granted, I can no longer do. Attending St Johns basketball games being one of them.

So yes, I will be taking the vaccine when it is my turn. My family will take it also. I have spoken to some friends of mine who work in health care and they told me the side effects were minimal.
 
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panther2" post=410503 said:
I am looking forward to taking the Vaccine. Being 72 years old with diabetes, two types of cancer that are presently in remission, having had lung surgery for pneumonia and pleuresy, I understand that my chances of surviving the virus are slim. The Pandemic takes a psychological toll also. When I see that the mortality rate has reached 1 out of 100,000 Americans, it scares me.

My wife and I are raising our 14 year old granddaughter who is a freshman in high school. I hope to be here when she is a freshman in college. Our lives have changed dramatically. Family is everything to us. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and other occasions there would be at least 50 of us gathered together, four generations of family. It has been a year since we have been able to get together. I find myself praying that we will all be able to get together sometime in 2021.

Aside from myself, I have to look at how the Pandemic is affecting my granddaughter. She goes to school on a hybrid schedule and the days she is in school physically, she has to leave immediately after. There is very little socialization or chance to interact with her new classmates. The one positive thing is that she was able to socialize with her teammates on the Cross Country team and Archbishop Molloy won the Girls Varsity Cross Country Championship this season.

I feel as if I have lost my freedom. Things that I used to take for granted, I can no longer do. Attending St Johns basketball games being one of them.

So yes, I will be taking the vaccine when it is my turn. My family will take it also. I have spoken to some friends of mine who work in health catre and they told me the side effects were minimal.


I'll have some outdoor table lobster roll places for us to choose from in april or may :)
 
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panther2" post=410503 said:
I am looking forward to taking the Vaccine. Being 72 years old with diabetes, two types of cancer that are presently in remission, having had lung surgery for pneumonia and pleuresy, I understand that my chances of surviving the virus are slim. The Pandemic takes a psychological toll also. When I see that the mortality rate has reached 1 out of 100,000 Americans, it scares me.

My wife and I are raising our 14 year old granddaughter who is a freshman in high school. I hope to be here when she is a freshman in college. Our lives have changed dramatically. Family is everything to us. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and other occasions there would be at least 50 of us gathered together, four generations of family. It has been a year since we have been able to get together. I find myself praying that we will all be able to get together sometime in 2021.

Aside from myself, I have to look at how the Pandemic is affecting my granddaughter. She goes to school on a hybrid schedule and the days she is in school physically, she has to leave immediately after. There is very little socialization or chance to interact with her new classmates. The one positive thing is that she was able to socialize with her teammates on the Cross Country team and Archbishop Molloy won the Girls Varsity Cross Country Championship this season.

I feel as if I have lost my freedom. Things that I used to take for granted, I can no longer do. Attending St Johns basketball games being one of them.

So yes, I will be taking the vaccine when it is my turn. My family will take it also. I have spoken to some friends of mine who work in health care and they told me the side effects were minimal.
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As always, thanks for sharing, Panther2. 

I, myself, do not have the risk factors that you face.  However, I did want to acknowledge the impact on children that you also mentioned.  My son is an active, outgoing 9 year old who previously loved school.  He was hybrid for most of the fall until his school was forced to go fully remote.  After a tough Spring, he had come back to life under the hybrid model and the youth soccer season also helped a lot.  But after his school closed and the soccer season was abruptly cancelled, I have watched his overall demeanor change.  We, as a family, are very safe in respect to the virus as we wish to maintain access to my parents and my in-laws. They depend on us quite a bit.  When they can get the vaccine, we will be able to branch out a bit more.  However, we need a high percentage of the populations to get the vaccine, so we can all get back to normal.  Nothing comapres to the loss of life, but the social emotional impact (on children especially) is a depressing back story. 
 
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panther2" post=410503 said:
I am looking forward to taking the Vaccine. Being 72 years old with diabetes, two types of cancer that are presently in remission, having had lung surgery for pneumonia and pleuresy, I understand that my chances of surviving the virus are slim. The Pandemic takes a psychological toll also. When I see that the mortality rate has reached 1 out of 100,000 Americans, it scares me.

My wife and I are raising our 14 year old granddaughter who is a freshman in high school. I hope to be here when she is a freshman in college. Our lives have changed dramatically. Family is everything to us. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and other occasions there would be at least 50 of us gathered together, four generations of family. It has been a year since we have been able to get together. I find myself praying that we will all be able to get together sometime in 2021.

Aside from myself, I have to look at how the Pandemic is affecting my granddaughter. She goes to school on a hybrid schedule and the days she is in school physically, she has to leave immediately after. There is very little socialization or chance to interact with her new classmates. The one positive thing is that she was able to socialize with her teammates on the Cross Country team and Archbishop Molloy won the Girls Varsity Cross Country Championship this season.

I feel as if I have lost my freedom. Things that I used to take for granted, I can no longer do. Attending St Johns basketball games being one of them.

So yes, I will be taking the vaccine when it is my turn. My family will take it also. I have spoken to some friends of mine who work in health care and they told me the side effects were minimal.


Panther2, no better reason(s) than your vulnerability and your granddaughters upbringing to vaccinate. May you be around much longer than her freshman year in college and may she experience the joy of normal friendships very, very soon. 
 
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I, too, was a bit skeptical at first to believe that a vaccine that would work could be developed so quickly. But, there are brilliant minds in this country, technology is amazing today and the FDA has dedemed it safe so, yes, I will take it along with all of the other old farts when we are eligible.

My fear is that too many people are mistrusting and will opt out of the shot. If we don't reach herd immunity, all of the time, effort and money involved in developing this vaccine may be for naught.

I sincerely hope that, as more and more people are innoculated and are fine, the masses will come to their senses and get the vaccine. It's our only chance to return to some form of "normalcy" in the near future.
 
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Why does everyone have to get the vaccine, I always thought that if someone gets a vaccine that they'd be safe, whether another person gets the vaccine or not.
this is the first time that I'm hearing that everyone has to get the vaccine.
that's why I get suspicious.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm comfortable getting it.
 
EliteBaller K" post=410538 said:
Why does everyone have to get the vaccine, I always thought that if someone gets a vaccine that they'd be safe, whether another person gets the vaccine or not.
this is the first time that I'm hearing that everyone has to get the vaccine.
that's why I get suspicious.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm comfortable getting it.

Everything I've read on the matter suggests that we, as a society, will still be at risk until we reach what is  called "herd immunity", which is defined as 70% - 75% of the population being innoculated.


 
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MarkRedman" post=410543 said:
EliteBaller K" post=410538 said:
Why does everyone have to get the vaccine, I always thought that if someone gets a vaccine that they'd be safe, whether another person gets the vaccine or not.
this is the first time that I'm hearing that everyone has to get the vaccine.
that's why I get suspicious.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm comfortable getting it.

Everything I've read on the matter suggests that we, as a society, will still be at risk until we reach what is  called "herd immunity", which is defined as 70% - 75% of the population being innoculated.

That's what I heard also. However, with the new strain which started in GB herd immunity may not be achieved until 85%  are innoculated.



 
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