UCONN back to Big East?

[quote="redmen4life" post=353000]This article from 2017 provides more insight into why we're seeing this now... UCONN's money from the Big East dried up in 2017, therefore putting more financial burden on them now....


As Big East Money Dries Up, UConn Must Create Fresh Revenue Streams
[URL]https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-aac-uconn-money-0527-20170526-story.html[/URL][/quote]

Yukon football is a joke and is killing them financially
Since they lose most of the time anyway, they may as well play big $ games like Clemson
If they didn't spend so much on football, I'd bet they'd fold up the tent and call it a day
 
For those who know the complications much better than I do, if we want a 12th team, why not bring back ND? There’s no football issue with them since they’re independent anyway, they fit the BE profile, they’re a great draw, and F the ACC for taking them the first time. I’m not saying we need a 12th team for all the reasons mentioned already, but Notre Dame sounds much better to me than any of the other options that have been mentioned.

And from their standpoint, it frees up their football team to going back to doing what they want anyway, which would include scheduling Clemson or Miami or FSU from time to time, but avoiding the crappy matchups that their abbreviated ACC agreement requires. Not to mention, a 12 team BE likely sounds more appealing with the tournament at MSG vs the 16 team behemoth of the ACC that really only cares about Duke and UNC anyway...and plays their tournament in much less attractive locations.
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=353006]For those who know the complications much better than I do, if we want a 12th team, why not bring back ND? There’s no football issue with them since they’re independent anyway, they fit the BE profile, they’re a great draw, and F the ACC for taking them the first time. I’m not saying we need a 12th team for all the reasons mentioned already, but Notre Dame sounds much better to me than any of the other options that have been mentioned.

And from their standpoint, it frees up their football team to going back to doing what they want anyway, which would include scheduling Clemson or Miami or FSU from time to time, but avoiding the crappy matchups that their abbreviated ACC agreement requires. Not to mention, a 12 team BE likely sounds more appealing with the tournament at MSG vs the 16 team behemoth of the ACC that really only cares about Duke and UNC anyway...and plays their tournament in much less attractive locations.[/quote]

Why would Notre Dame give up ACC money to come back to Big East money? That’s hustling backwards.
 
And maybe that’s it. I won’t pretend to know the numbers, but they’re getting a reduced share from the ACC because they’re not really part of the conference for football. They have their own football revenue. Not to mention, I believe their strength of schedule for football has dropped a bit since the move. With the BE apparently ready to renegotiate its tv deal, perhaps the revenue gap between the ACC and BE is not as big as you may think.

I didn’t get the sense that ND wanted the ACC, but they were concerned with the direction the BE was going when it was letting all these lesser programs in, prior to breaking away from the football schools. Anyway, just a thought.
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=353008]And maybe that’s it. I won’t pretend to know the numbers, but they’re getting a reduced share from the ACC because they’re not really part of the conference for football. They have their own football revenue. Not to mention, I believe their strength of schedule for football has dropped a bit since the move. With the BE apparently ready to renegotiate its tv deal, perhaps the revenue gap between the ACC and BE is not as big as you may think.

I didn’t get the sense that ND wanted the ACC, but they were concerned with the direction the BE was going when it was letting all these lesser programs in, prior to breaking away from the football schools. Anyway, just a thought.[/quote]

Quick estimates are that they make about 20% more than BE schools from the TV contract (over $5mill/year). Significantly more from outside revenue streams like NCAA tourney shares, etc...(almost $3mill/year). The poor comp hasn 't seemed to hurt their NBC contract which runs for 6 more years. They're in a pretty good position.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=353007] Why would Notre Dame give up ACC money to come back to Big East money? That’s hustling backwards.[/quote]
Because Catholics should stick together? :(
 
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Maybe the Big East should hold off on this until the NCAA fulfills its ominous announcement about the schools it is investigating? How does it hurt to wait a few months? If I recall the number was in the 15+ schools range are to be notified in the next few months including 6 that will get Level I notices in the near future. According to Yukon themselves the basis for screwing over Ollie was NCAA infractions. Hypothetically Yukon gets the death penalty for a year. Still a good deal? If Creighton goes down that would be 2 Big East schools. Not a good look.
 
Our home games against UConn, Nova, Hall, Georgetown & Providence all feel like they should be big draws at the Garden. I know it may not be the most important element but if we add UConn and assume the Big 12 challenge sticks around it seems like we may be +2 in annual Garden-worthy games per season. And the more we increase that # of games there the more effective it is as a recruiting tool.
 
for those that enjoy seeing Yukon suffer will enjoy reading the below linked article that explores the bad and badder options which Yukon has with the future of its FBS football program,

It appears that the best of the longterm of the bad options is to eventually move the Yukon football to FCS and play at the level as Butler, Villanova, and Georgetown..... Rah, Rah, Rah !!

[URL]https://www.sportingnews.com/u...ball-big-east-move/1cj97rwofwimg1c3bloehkxkq1[/URL]
 
[quote="MainMan" post=352919][quote="Section3" post=352889]
The BE made UCONN, not vice versa.
Also made Pitt.[/quote]

Jim Calhoun made UConn.
And in doing so he kept the BE relevant in the 90s when the conference slid into mediocrity.[/quote]
BE made UCONN...Calhoun leveraged it but no mistaking it. Without BE, UCONN would have continued to be irrelevant
 
[quote="redken" post=352920]Can't believe so many of us sound like we should be expecting the current UConn program to roll all over us once they're in the conference. Hurley may have an easier time recruiting 2 to 3 top players from the area than he's had with the AAC, but that doesn't mean our current staff won't be able to match him or do better. Where did all the optimism about our program suddenly go? Bottom line: This is not Jim Calhoun's UConn team; it's a team that has struggled since his departure and whose future success -- let alone dominance --is not guaranteed.[/quote]too much anxiety about UCONN and Hurley. He may be good coach but his success is greatly exaggerated by SJ fans.
 
[quote="Moose" post=352946][quote="SJUFAN2" post=352944][quote="MainMan" post=352865][quote="Adam" post=352864]Our 10 team Big East proved we can have the #1 attended conference tournament at MSG, win 2 national titles, send 7 teams to the Dance, set up conference rivalries with the B1G/Big XII, etc... all in a very short time period WITHOUT UConn. If UConn bolts (doubtful since their football will tank even further), then we go back to present day where we're already elite.

We will earn more money with UConn's addition, through a new TV deal, our annual MSG game, and even stuff like more Tournament credits. Also, they will bring a lot more respect to the conference.

Anybody who dislikes this can't complain about how Nova is the only team to advance to the Final Four in the new Big East. We just added a team that won the National Championship during year 1 of the new Big East. Can't do any better than that.[/quote]

C’mon dude. We’ve been a one team league.

Take Nova away and we’re a step above mid-major.

First decade of original BE there was success across the board: St. John’s, Gtown, Nova, Syracuse, Providence and Seton Hall all made the FF.

Haven’t come anywhere
close to that parity.[/quote]

Precisely.

Two corner stone programs is a must . 3 or 4 puts you in the discussion as the top hoops conference in the nation. We aren't even close to that right now.

This is a "big picture" issue. Its not about how many games St Johns will win or lose over the next 5 years.

Look at it this way...the ACC is dominated by Duke and NC every year. Do you think the other schools in that conference would be happy if they left?[/quote]

So you think Uconn will be a cornerstone program? Or you just saying its an 11th team and 'you never know'. Because if its the later why not add a 12th team and increase the odds a little more.[/quote]
Agree, not a cornerstone
 
[quote="austour" post=353009][quote="Jnaw17" post=353008]And maybe that’s it. I won’t pretend to know the numbers, but they’re getting a reduced share from the ACC because they’re not really part of the conference for football. They have their own football revenue. Not to mention, I believe their strength of schedule for football has dropped a bit since the move. With the BE apparently ready to renegotiate its tv deal, perhaps the revenue gap between the ACC and BE is not as big as you may think.

I didn’t get the sense that ND wanted the ACC, but they were concerned with the direction the BE was going when it was letting all these lesser programs in, prior to breaking away from the football schools. Anyway, just a thought.[/quote]

Quick estimates are that they make about 20% more than BE schools from the TV contract (over $5mill/year). Significantly more from outside revenue streams like NCAA tourney shares, etc...(almost $3mill/year). The poor comp hasn 't seemed to hurt their NBC contract which runs for 6 more years. They're in a pretty good position.[/quote]

Thanks for the numbers. Except for this past season, it doesn’t look like the ACC’s NCAA tournament share per team (since they’re carrying 15 teams now) was much different than the BE, and trailed us slightly a few years. So I’m not sure that’s a differentiating factor. And I agree with you on the NBC contract, although that’s going to be strong regardless of which conference they’re in. So, the ACC TV contract appears to be where the gap lies. If the BE can redo its TV contract, as it’s apparently planning to do, and can close that gap, would ND consider coming back? I do think ND would prefer to be independent in football again.
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=353019][/quote]Thanks for the numbers. Except for this past season, it doesn’t look like the ACC’s NCAA tournament share per team (since they’re carrying 15 teams now) was much different than the BE, and trailed us slightly a few years. So I’m not sure that’s a differentiating factor. And I agree with you on the NBC contract, although that’s going to be strong regardless of which conference they’re in. So, the ACC TV contract appears to be where the gap lies. If the BE can redo its TV contract, as it’s apparently planning to do, and can close that gap, would ND consider coming back? I do think ND would prefer to be independent in football again.[/quote]
Again? But Notre Dame is independent in football. (Or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ... or maybe having a senior moment?)
 
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[quote="Section3" post=353016][quote="MainMan" post=352919][quote="Section3" post=352889]
The BE made UCONN, not vice versa.
Also made Pitt.[/quote]

Jim Calhoun made UConn.
And in doing so he kept the BE relevant in the 90s when the conference slid into mediocrity.[/quote]
BE made UCONN...Calhoun leveraged it but no mistaking it. Without BE, UCONN would have continued to be irrelevant[/quote]

The BE made everyone in that vein, so what's your point? There is no way SJU, Syracuse, Georgetown could have maintained themselves without joining a conference.

Bottom line is as Rick Pitino has repeatedly said the 3 greatest modern coaching jobs in terms of taking programs with very little history and almost no recent success to the top are: 1)Jerry Tarkanian at UNLV, 2)John Calipari at UMASS and 3) Jim Calhoun at UCONN.
 
[quote="redken" post=353022][quote="Jnaw17" post=353019][/quote]Thanks for the numbers. Except for this past season, it doesn’t look like the ACC’s NCAA tournament share per team (since they’re carrying 15 teams now) was much different than the BE, and trailed us slightly a few years. So I’m not sure that’s a differentiating factor. And I agree with you on the NBC contract, although that’s going to be strong regardless of which conference they’re in. So, the ACC TV contract appears to be where the gap lies. If the BE can redo its TV contract, as it’s apparently planning to do, and can close that gap, would ND consider coming back? I do think ND would prefer to be independent in football again.[/quote]
Again? But Notre Dame is independent in football. (Or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ... or maybe having a senior moment?)[/quote]

Lol. Poorly worded on my part. Yes, they are independent in football, as you said, although they’re required to play 5 ACC games per year. So, they’re not free to schedule whomever they want, as they were before joining the ACC. And strength of schedule almost kept them out of the playoff last year, so not sure some of these weaker ACC games are helping them.
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=353024][quote="redken" post=353022][quote="Jnaw17" post=353019][/quote]Thanks for the numbers. Except for this past season, it doesn’t look like the ACC’s NCAA tournament share per team (since they’re carrying 15 teams now) was much different than the BE, and trailed us slightly a few years. So I’m not sure that’s a differentiating factor. And I agree with you on the NBC contract, although that’s going to be strong regardless of which conference they’re in. So, the ACC TV contract appears to be where the gap lies. If the BE can redo its TV contract, as it’s apparently planning to do, and can close that gap, would ND consider coming back? I do think ND would prefer to be independent in football again.[/quote]
Again? But Notre Dame is independent in football. (Or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ... or maybe having a senior moment?)[/quote]

Lol. Poorly worded on my part. Yes, they are independent in football, as you said, although they’re required to play 5 ACC games per year. So, they’re not free to schedule whomever they want, as they were before joining the ACC. And strength of schedule almost kept them out of the playoff last year, so not sure some of these weaker ACC games are helping them.[/quote]

Had a feeling that was the case ... and relieved it wasn't senior moment. Maybe the NCAA should come up with a special designation just for ND: semi-independent.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=353023][quote="Section3" post=353016][quote="MainMan" post=352919][quote="Section3" post=352889]
The BE made UCONN, not vice versa.
Also made Pitt.[/quote]

Jim Calhoun made UConn.
And in doing so he kept the BE relevant in the 90s when the conference slid into mediocrity.[/quote]
BE made UCONN...Calhoun leveraged it but no mistaking it. Without BE, UCONN would have continued to be irrelevant[/quote]

The BE made everyone in that vein, so what's your point? There is no way SJU, Syracuse, Georgetown could have maintained themselves without joining a conference.

Bottom line is as Rick Pitino has repeatedly said the 3 greatest modern coaching jobs in terms of taking programs with very little history and almost no recent success to the top are: 1)Jerry Tarkanian at UNLV, 2)John Calipari at UMASS and 3) Jim Calhoun at UCONN.[/quote]
Those first two should have asterisks next to their name.
 
[quote="redken" post=353028][quote="fordham96" post=353023][quote="Section3" post=353016][quote="MainMan" post=352919][quote="Section3" post=352889]
The BE made UCONN, not vice versa.
Also made Pitt.[/quote]

Jim Calhoun made UConn.
And in doing so he kept the BE relevant in the 90s when the conference slid into mediocrity.[/quote]
BE made UCONN...Calhoun leveraged it but no mistaking it. Without BE, UCONN would have continued to be irrelevant[/quote]

The BE made everyone in that vein, so what's your point? There is no way SJU, Syracuse, Georgetown could have maintained themselves without joining a conference.

Bottom line is as Rick Pitino has repeatedly said the 3 greatest modern coaching jobs in terms of taking programs with very little history and almost no recent success to the top are: 1)Jerry Tarkanian at UNLV, 2)John Calipari at UMASS and 3) Jim Calhoun at UCONN.[/quote]
Those first two should have asterisks next to their name.[/quote]

As should the third. And if I am correct UConn was put on probation while Calhoun was Coach. Also the NCAA legislated certain behaviour which Calhoun was engaged in to make it illegal going forward. Great coach absolutely but used every trick and more to his advantage.
 
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