UCONN back to Big East?

[quote="Jnaw17" post=353019][quote="austour" post=353009][quote="Jnaw17" post=353008]And maybe that’s it. I won’t pretend to know the numbers, but they’re getting a reduced share from the ACC because they’re not really part of the conference for football. They have their own football revenue. Not to mention, I believe their strength of schedule for football has dropped a bit since the move. With the BE apparently ready to renegotiate its tv deal, perhaps the revenue gap between the ACC and BE is not as big as you may think.



I didn’t get the sense that ND wanted the ACC, but they were concerned with the direction the BE was going when it was letting all these lesser programs in, prior to breaking away from the football schools. Anyway, just a thought.[/quote]

Quick estimates are that they make about 20% more than BE schools from the TV contract (over $5mill/year). Significantly more from outside revenue streams like NCAA tourney shares, etc...(almost $3mill/year). The poor comp hasn 't seemed to hurt their NBC contract which runs for 6 more years. They're in a pretty good position.[/quote]

Thanks for the numbers. Except for this past season, it doesn’t look like the ACC’s NCAA tournament share per team (since they’re carrying 15 teams now) was much different than the BE, and trailed us slightly a few years. So I’m not sure that’s a differentiating factor. And I agree with you on the NBC contract, although that’s going to be strong regardless of which conference they’re in. So, the ACC TV contract appears to be where the gap lies. If the BE can redo its TV contract, as it’s apparently planning to do, and can close that gap, would ND consider coming back? I do think ND would prefer to be independent in football again.[/quote]

BE has done very well with NCAA tourney units recently mostly based on Nova's 2x championships, you're right on that. In the last 11 tourneys there have been 4 BE wins, 6 ACC wins and KY.

Re TV Monday the ACC network launches in July I think. Wonder how that affects basketball TV revenue for them.
 
I love this move. Adding a team with a national brand like UConn will do wonders for the Big East. One thing no one is talking about is the Big East potentially setting themselves up to become one of the biggest NCAA powers in the coming decades.

Right now football is king in terms of revenue for the "Power 5" conferences, and dwarfs the amount of money basketball can make. But I think in the coming decades football will decline due to massive lawsuits, and safety concerns (CTE). There are already many lawsuits being brought against the NCAA and schools which will only become worse over the years. I think progressive schools such as Duke, and Vandy, for example, will eventually drop football, and basketball will slowly become king of college sports.

Again this will be many many years down the line, but once basketball becomes the cash-cow of NCAA sports the Big East will be set up to be one of the top conferences once again with national brands like UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, and maybe even St. John's leading the way. A lot of you guys will probably dismiss this idea, but I think as more and more research is done on CTE, and the brain injuries occurring due to playing football, our PC culture will eventually move away from football, and basketball will become the number 1 revenue college sport.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=353081][quote="Adam" post=353079]

Duke and Syracuse never would have played us at CA. [/quote]

The only problem with saying never is that Syracuse did regularly play us at CA, as did many nationally ranked teams who came to NY (Louisville and Darrell Griffith come to mind). Yes, it's a big attraction for those schools to play at the Garden, especially when they recruit NYC, but historically elite teams did come to CA.[/quote]

So you're going back more than 40 years to make your argument? When the teams you just mentioned like Syracuse, Louisville and St. John's were completely different than they are today?

In the 21st century, Duke and Syracuse would never agree to H&Hs at CA. That's just a fact and you know it.

If anything, you should be the biggest MSG fan on this board, because most of Mullin's best moments were at MSG (and in some cases never would have happened without MSG).

Mullin's best games (we were underdogs in all of these- and still would have been at CA):
Year 1: Vs Syracuse (H&H)
Year 2: @ Syracuse (H&H) - only happened because of the year 1 MSG game
Year 3: Vs Duke (H&H)
Year 4: Vs Nova- this is the only game of the 4 that we could have played at CA. Thankfully we didn't do that, as this was the best Johnnies game I've ever experienced.

Not to make this about Mullin as you could also probably make a similar case for Lavin. He had some huge Garden wins against teams like Pitt.

In your next post you said that you've been embarrassed by opposing fan bases showing up and beating us at MSG (something that didn't happen when UConn last visited us in 2013). To that, I'll just say that I much rather take the chance and be nationally relevant (with a huge, huge upside if we win), than remain irrelevant as we've been for nearly all of the 21st century. Only thing more embarrassing than losing in high-profile games is not playing in high-profile games.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=353091][quote="Beast of the East" post=353081][quote="Adam" post=353079]

Duke and Syracuse never would have played us at CA. [/quote]

The only problem with saying never is that Syracuse did regularly play us at CA, as did many nationally ranked teams who came to NY (Louisville and Darrell Griffith come to mind). Yes, it's a big attraction for those schools to play at the Garden, especially when they recruit NYC, but historically elite teams did come to CA.[/quote]

So you're going back more than 40 years to make your argument? When the teams you just mentioned like Syracuse, Louisville and St. John's were completely different than they are today?

In the 21st century, Duke and Syracuse would never agree to H&Hs at CA. That's just a fact and you know it.

If anything, you should be the biggest MSG fan on this board, because most of Mullin's best moments were at MSG (and in some cases never would have happened without MSG).

Mullin's best games (we were underdogs in all of these- and still would have been at CA):
Year 1: Vs Syracuse (H&H)
Year 2: @ Syracuse (H&H) - only happened because of the year 1 MSG game
Year 3: Vs Duke (H&H)
Year 4: Vs Nova- this is the only game of the 4 that we could have played at CA. Thankfully we didn't do that, as this was the best Johnnies game I've ever experienced.

Not to make this about Mullin as you could also probably make a similar case for Lavin. He had some huge Garden wins against teams like Pitt.

In your next post you said that you've been embarrassed by opposing fan bases showing up and beating us at MSG (something that didn't happen when UConn last visited us in 2013). To that, I'll just say that I much rather take the chance and be nationally relevant (with a huge, huge upside if we win), than remain irrelevant as we've been for nearly all of the 21st century. Only thing more embarrassing than losing in high-profile games is not playing in high-profile games.[/quote]

NEVER is a pretty inclusive word, don't you think? Nice try at taking a swipe based on how long ago. I'd agree that now that basketball is a big money sport, nationally prominent teams wouldn't want to play in a 6,000 seat arena.

Just because a nationally ranked UCONN is in the conference does not mean that St. John's becomes more relevant. As far as I can see, we have a long ways to go to be a consistently middle of the pack team.

Your argument about relevancy is weak based on who we play or where we play or home games. When opponents regularly schedule us in the largest arena in town rather than in on campus venues, then we are relevant.

A powerful UCONN (if they can roll it back all the way to 2014, and they have invested in an expensive coach to do so), makes it much harder for us to get those coveted sweeps in home and home series that propel you towards the top of the division.

As I said, its a good business move by the Big East, but if anything, hurts our recruiting in the NYC area, and also will make it more difficult in the long run to be in the top half of the division, where NCAA bids are awarded. Yea, to be the best you want to play the best, but our program has not been there for an extremely long time with any consistency. Who is a better bet to make 3 NCAA tourneys in the next 5 years - St. John's, or Iona? Sure we are better off to be in the Big East, but a strong UCONN team hurts our chances at a bid presently, not helps.
 
[quote="Adam" post=353091][quote="Beast of the East" post=353081][quote="Adam" post=353079]

Duke and Syracuse never would have played us at CA. [/quote]

The only problem with saying never is that Syracuse did regularly play us at CA, as did many nationally ranked teams who came to NY (Louisville and Darrell Griffith come to mind). Yes, it's a big attraction for those schools to play at the Garden, especially when they recruit NYC, but historically elite teams did come to CA.[/quote]

So you're going back more than 40 years to make your argument? When the teams you just mentioned like Syracuse, Louisville and St. John's were completely different than they are today?

In the 21st century, Duke and Syracuse would never agree to H&Hs at CA. That's just a fact and you know it.

If anything, you should be the biggest MSG fan on this board, because most of Mullin's best moments were at MSG (and in some cases never would have happened without MSG).

Mullin's best games (we were underdogs in all of these- and still would have been at CA):
Year 1: Vs Syracuse (H&H)
Year 2: @ Syracuse (H&H) - only happened because of the year 1 MSG game
Year 3: Vs Duke (H&H)
Year 4: Vs Nova- this is the only game of the 4 that we could have played at CA. Thankfully we didn't do that, as this was the best Johnnies game I've ever experienced.

Not to make this about Mullin as you could also probably make a similar case for Lavin. He had some huge Garden wins against teams like Pitt.

In your next post you said that you've been embarrassed by opposing fan bases showing up and beating us at MSG (something that didn't happen when UConn last visited us in 2013). To that, I'll just say that I much rather take the chance and be nationally relevant (with a huge, huge upside if we win), than remain irrelevant as we've been for nearly all of the 21st century. Only thing more embarrassing than losing in high-profile games is not playing in high-profile games.[/quote]

I agree, Adam. You've gotta play in high profile games in order to win high profile games. And I do understand Beast of The East's point. I've also gone to games at MSG where our fans were badly outnumbered and it is embarrassing in the moment but nobody talks about how embarrassing it was if we win. And if we do enough winning those numbers will flip.

I love the bandbox feel of Carnasecca (although now that I live on the West Coast I haven't been to a game there in about 5 years). I think that can be a really tough place for other teams to play when it's full and loud and hot and uncomfortable. The first Marquette game last year (after the Seton Hall debacle) was lovely. We were running them out of the building, the crowd was going crazy, Markus Howard was clearly shook and somehow looked even smaller than usual and it was obvious coming out of halftime that we were going to win that game. I think a lot of that had to do with the environment. That being said beating Nova at a sold out Garden this past season or Duke there the season before elevates how we're perceived more than any win on campus could. And I think it's a big part of how we'll get better recruits to view us as an option. Sitting court side at Madison Square Garden and watching the Johnnies beat an elite program in front of 20,000 will sell our program to a Top 50 recruit more than anything Mike Anderson can tell them standing in an on campus facility.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=353094][quote="Adam" post=353091][quote="Beast of the East" post=353081][quote="Adam" post=353079]

Duke and Syracuse never would have played us at CA. [/quote]

The only problem with saying never is that Syracuse did regularly play us at CA, as did many nationally ranked teams who came to NY (Louisville and Darrell Griffith come to mind). Yes, it's a big attraction for those schools to play at the Garden, especially when they recruit NYC, but historically elite teams did come to CA.[/quote]

So you're going back more than 40 years to make your argument? When the teams you just mentioned like Syracuse, Louisville and St. John's were completely different than they are today?

In the 21st century, Duke and Syracuse would never agree to H&Hs at CA. That's just a fact and you know it.

If anything, you should be the biggest MSG fan on this board, because most of Mullin's best moments were at MSG (and in some cases never would have happened without MSG).

Mullin's best games (we were underdogs in all of these- and still would have been at CA):
Year 1: Vs Syracuse (H&H)
Year 2: @ Syracuse (H&H) - only happened because of the year 1 MSG game
Year 3: Vs Duke (H&H)
Year 4: Vs Nova- this is the only game of the 4 that we could have played at CA. Thankfully we didn't do that, as this was the best Johnnies game I've ever experienced.

Not to make this about Mullin as you could also probably make a similar case for Lavin. He had some huge Garden wins against teams like Pitt.

In your next post you said that you've been embarrassed by opposing fan bases showing up and beating us at MSG (something that didn't happen when UConn last visited us in 2013). To that, I'll just say that I much rather take the chance and be nationally relevant (with a huge, huge upside if we win), than remain irrelevant as we've been for nearly all of the 21st century. Only thing more embarrassing than losing in high-profile games is not playing in high-profile games.[/quote]

NEVER is a pretty inclusive word, don't you think? Nice try at taking a swipe based on how long ago. I'd agree that now that basketball is a big money sport, nationally prominent teams wouldn't want to play in a 6,000 seat arena.

Just because a nationally ranked UCONN is in the conference does not mean that St. John's becomes more relevant. As far as I can see, we have a long ways to go to be a consistently middle of the pack team.

Your argument about relevancy is weak based on who we play or where we play or home games. When opponents regularly schedule us in the largest arena in town rather than in on campus venues, then we are relevant.

A powerful UCONN (if they can roll it back all the way to 2014, and they have invested in an expensive coach to do so), makes it much harder for us to get those coveted sweeps in home and home series that propel you towards the top of the division.

As I said, its a good business move by the Big East, but if anything, hurts our recruiting in the NYC area, and also will make it more difficult in the long run to be in the top half of the division, where NCAA bids are awarded. Yea, to be the best you want to play the best, but our program has not been there for an extremely long time with any consistency. Who is a better bet to make 3 NCAA tourneys in the next 5 years - St. John's, or Iona? Sure we are better off to be in the Big East, but a strong UCONN team hurts our chances at a bid presently, not helps.[/quote]

Rather than addressing the valid points I've made you're shifting towards petty definitions. By "never" I meant never again. Elite OOC teams like Syracuse and Duke would only play us this century at MSG. That's a fact and the success we've had in those series should not be dismissed. I don't care what happened 40+ years ago because it is not relevant to the present day argument I was making. You know that.

"Take a swipe at how long ago"...? No, that's ridiculous and your age (which I'm unsure of) never crossed my mind, I was simply stating a fact because the landscape has changed dramatically since the 1970's. No need to be defensive.

Anyways, that's just the first two sentences of your post and I don't have time to address the rest since we are now straying from the point I was trying to make.

To your point, the one downside to UConn is they might take a recruit or two away from us, but that has already happened over the past few years and it doesn't matter which conference they are in. Seton Hall has taken recruits from us, but they have been critical to the success of our league over the past 5 years. We just need to suck it up and do a better job on the court. I am confident Anderson will do that and recruit well no matter which conference UConn is in. I'll just conclude that I love playing at MSG and I'm excited to play UConn there. I think a lot more people will agree with me when we revisit our TV contract. That extra money would have helped in this past coaching search.
 
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At Best and even that is questionable and relative, there is a short term advantage for the Big East as a whole in adding Yukon. That would be in the form of an upgraded media contract. Attendance is already on the rise and not an issue for the conference. Even this advantage would be met with adding ANY other team. That is what it takes for the contract to be renegotiated. People criticizing others as being stuck in the past but then talking about Yukon as a "national program" are completely misguided. Yukon was for a period of time the best men's basketball team in the country. So was University of San Francisco. So was Bradley... There are a few National basketball programs and it is partially based upon recent winning/tradition but also based upon alumni and historic branding. Kansas, UNC, OH St., Mich, Duke, Kentucky, Mich St. are national programs. I know OH St is not a legitimate power in the same league as a Duke but they are a national program with maybe the largest fan base in the country. Even schools like Indiana are more of a national program than Yukon. Georgetown has a bigger national following than Yukon and if they ever get their act together again you'll see that more clearly. Notre Dame with basketball always in a back seat position is more of a national program than Yukon. Yukon has very little fan base outside of the northeast and without Calhoun that has diminished not only nationally but within the northeast and even in CT.

This move is about adding the women's team and while it certainly adds prestige to the conference I don't think it actually benefits the other teams in terms of recruiting and definitely hurts in the W/L because there is no women's team in the BE that can compete with Yukon and maybe one or two wins in the next 5 years for the entire conference vs Yukon is realistic. Being completely shutout is also realistic.

This is not a good move for St. John's in any way shape or form. Any short term financial benefit should also be weighed against the overall affect. At best it is marginally beneficial to the conference as a whole in the short term but with a little non-linear thinking there are a LOT better options for a long term, consistently healthy big east. And screw VA's personal prestige moves and ego and the short-sited BE presidents who are too stupid to learn from history. This is a sucker move.
 
I think the conference would have been better off with ND, as their 11th team, instead of UConn. ND has a long history with the ten existing Big East schools, shares the profile of private/Catholic, would be a good road draw at all visiting arenas, would guarantee BE tournament sellouts, and has fans who would blend in more easily with the fans from the other schools. Also, football would be a non-issue, since ND is very successful going as an independent. Whether it would be advantageous for them to leave the ACC is not known.
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=353099]At Best and even that is questionable and relative, there is a short term advantage for the Big East as a whole in adding Yukon. That would be in the form of an upgraded media contract. Attendance is already on the rise and not an issue for the conference. Even this advantage would be met with adding ANY other team. That is what it takes for the contract to be renegotiated. People criticizing others as being stuck in the past but then talking about Yukon as a "national program" are completely misguided. Yukon was for a period of time the best men's basketball team in the country. So was University of San Francisco. So was Bradley... There are a few National basketball programs and it is partially based upon recent winning/tradition but also based upon alumni and historic branding. Kansas, UNC, OH St., Mich, Duke, Kentucky, Mich St. are national programs. I know OH St is not a legitimate power in the same league as a Duke but they are a national program with maybe the largest fan base in the country. Even schools like Indiana are more of a national program than Yukon. Georgetown has a bigger national following than Yukon and if they ever get their act together again you'll see that more clearly. Notre Dame with basketball always in a back seat position is more of a national program than Yukon. Yukon has very little fan base outside of the northeast and without Calhoun that has diminished not only nationally but within the northeast and even in CT.

This move is about adding the women's team and while it certainly adds prestige to the conference I don't think it actually benefits the other teams in terms of recruiting and definitely hurts in the W/L because there is no women's team in the BE that can compete with Yukon and maybe one or two wins in the next 5 years for the entire conference vs Yukon is realistic. Being completely shutout is also realistic.

This is not a good move for St. John's in any way shape or form. Any short term financial benefit should also be weighed against the overall affect. At best it is marginally beneficial to the conference as a whole in the short term but with a little non-linear thinking there are a LOT better options for a long term, consistently healthy big east. And screw VA's personal prestige moves and ego and the short-sited BE presidents who are too stupid to learn from history. This is a sucker move.[/quote]

To be fair Yukon has won 4 of the last 21 National Championships. In that same period only UNC (3) Duke (2) and Nova (2) have won more than one, and it's only been 5 years since their last. So equating them to a team that won two titles on the back of one player 50+ years ago is unfair. Certainly as a Northeastern state school where state schools are not the powers they are in other parts of the country, they lack the national prominence of the schools you mentioned but they still have a higher profile than every other team in the BE except maybe Nova. Adding St Louis would not have the same effect on the TV contract. Just saying.

I know your utter disdain for the program, and yes the luster has left UConn a little in the last few years, but that just needed to be said. Yukon's path back to relevance and power will be aided by their affiliation with the BE and yes that will very likely come at STJ's expense. I agree with you there.
 
I have no issue with packed games at MSG that includes a significant amount of visiting fans. The excitement of the noise going back and forth is unique in college basketball to MSG games and if SJU is holding its own on the court they get plenty of support.

Perhaps the UCONN fans could be roped off somewhere so none of use ever have to come in contact with them? If that can be arranged then it’s all good.
 
[quote="Enright" post=353066]That O'Leary column should show Ackerman that the Conn fan base still holds out hope that the ACC or some other major football conference is going to come calling. I hope she comes up with some strict, costly penalties in the event Conn pulls out.[/quote]

THAT'S exactly what I got out of this article. And that's why I don't trust UCONN.
 
[quote="austour" post=353102]
To be fair Yukon has won 4 of the last 21 National Championships. In that same period only UNC (3) Duke (2) and Nova (2) have won more than one, and it's only been 5 years since their last. So equating them to a team that won two titles on the back of one player 50+ years ago is unfair. Certainly as a Northeastern state school where state schools are not the powers they are in other parts of the country, they lack the national prominence of the schools you mentioned but they still have a higher profile than every other team in the BE except maybe Nova. Adding St Louis would not have the same effect on the TV contract. Just saying.

I know your utter disdain for the program, and yes the luster has left UConn a little in the last few years, but that just needed to be said. Yukon's path back to relevance and power will be aided by their affiliation with the BE and yes that will very likely come at STJ's expense. I agree with you there.[/quote]

Disagree with you about the TV benefit. Nobody watches college basketball specifically for Yukon outside the northeast. My point was not that USF is the same as Yukon, just that their time has past and they are not what they were when the won the last one which again was part of the Calhoun legacy even though Ollie was HC for that. From there it has been decline and irrelevance even in the AAC. So it IS the past not the present to talk about their championships so you can't be criticizing older fans who have a real memory for "the past" and simultaneously be talking about Yukon as a "national program" They are not and never were. They had some front runner fans for a time but that is all gone other than their core, loyal fan base. There is NOTHING to indicate that they are anything but a shell of what they were under Calhoun and DH is no Calhoun by any stretch. It's not even certain that he's an Ollie.
 
I wonder if Fox is working on a 90 minute “Requiem for the AAC” special.
 
I think this will be a huge negative for SJU Basketball. What's the upside?
 
[quote="Knight" post=353107]I think this will be a huge negative for SJU Basketball. What's the upside?[/quote]

If you look up far enough you'll see the dental work of the big east presidents through their throats...
 
Something that nobody can deny is that we're getting a rival back who everyone hates. For some that may be a bad thing, but personally I think this kind of a rivalry is great for sports. Yankees vs Red Sox. UNC vs Duke. Those are the kind of games that get people excited. We badly need that again since we are no longer playing Duke or Syracuse. Having UConn in conference will make the series even more significant.

Villanova is awesome and in my opinion the most important team in the Big East, however they are a very likable team. When we beat them the past couple years I was thrilled to win but not necessarily for them to lose. For teams like UConn and Syracuse, a large part of me badly wants to see them go down.

The Big East has really been missing a villain. The old version had plenty of teams to hate with Syracuse, UConn, Louisville, a much better Georgetown, etc. Not saying I'd like to go back to that time where we couldn't stand half the league, but having a team or two to hate makes sports a lot more Interesting. This thread alone is proof of that.
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=353105][quote="austour" post=353102]
To be fair Yukon has won 4 of the last 21 National Championships. In that same period only UNC (3) Duke (2) and Nova (2) have won more than one, and it's only been 5 years since their last. So equating them to a team that won two titles on the back of one player 50+ years ago is unfair. Certainly as a Northeastern state school where state schools are not the powers they are in other parts of the country, they lack the national prominence of the schools you mentioned but they still have a higher profile than every other team in the BE except maybe Nova. Adding St Louis would not have the same effect on the TV contract. Just saying.

I know your utter disdain for the program, and yes the luster has left UConn a little in the last few years, but that just needed to be said. Yukon's path back to relevance and power will be aided by their affiliation with the BE and yes that will very likely come at STJ's expense. I agree with you there.[/quote]

Disagree with you about the TV benefit. Nobody watches college basketball specifically for Yukon outside the northeast. My point was not that USF is the same as Yukon, just that their time has past and they are not what they were when the won the last one which again was part of the Calhoun legacy even though Ollie was HC for that. From there it has been decline and irrelevance even in the AAC. So it IS the past not the present to talk about their championships so you can't be criticizing older fans who have a real memory for "the past" and simultaneously be talking about Yukon as a "national program" They are not and never were. They had some front runner fans for a time but that is all gone other than their core, loyal fan base. There is NOTHING to indicate that they are anything but a shell of what they were under Calhoun and DH is no Calhoun by any stretch. It's not even certain that he's an Ollie.[/quote]

Are you older than me? Good. ;) However I will accept the criticism that I consider anything that happened before Magic vs. Larry, or thereabouts, ancient history with no relevance to this era of college basketball.

PS, I didn't call Uconn a 'national program' but they are certainly far more nationally recognized than anyone in the BE, barring Nova and Gtown maybe. You're writing them off like they're Guy Lewis' Houston or Ray Meyer's Depaul. I disagree with that opinion.
 
I don’t really buy either argument, pro or con. As Paul stated this is about re-negotiating the TV contract, nothing more, nothing less. There are other teams that could have been invited, all with positives and negatives. Yukon has about as much name recognition as any possible invitee other than Gonzaga and logistically they make much better sense, both in terms of getting the expansion done and geographically. This is about TV ($), plain and simple. Yukon is not Yukon anymore, Hurley is not Calhoun, and this is not your Dad’s Big East. If SJU is afraid to compete, then downgrade. It’s funny, posters want us to get back to a national presence but are afraid of Yukon? I guess if we ever do get back and have to face the big boys in the NCAA, we can just forfeit, because after all, we can’t compete with state schools. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways.
 
[quote="austour" post=353110]
PS, I didn't call Uconn a 'national program' but they are certainly far more nationally recognized than anyone in the BE, barring Nova and Gtown maybe. You're writing them off like they're Guy Lewis' Houston or Ray Meyer's Depaul. I disagree with that opinion.[/quote]

I didn't say you did. You jumped into my response to a couple of other posts that did. I may have been secretly hoping that you'd give me some pointers on logic but that is besides the point. Houston looked pretty good this year. I'm disputing that they are a "national program." They aren't. It is debatable that they ever were despite a good run. But the point being that there is no massive jolt being received by Yukon entering Big East men's basketball. It is a massive benefit to them and clear downside to St John's and other schools if not the entire conference. Pretty much NOTHING to the big east that couldn't be gotten many other ways without the baggage. The fact that no other conference wanted them when they were relevant and now we (the brain trust) want them when they aren't is pathetic and should send up all kinds of warning flags to anyone paying attention.
 
Phi Slamma Jamma and Elvin Hayes with Don Chaney at least suggest some hoops tradition that occasionally bubbles up.
 
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