Woah! Easy!!! that is an award not to be given out lightly here...
Transfer Portal
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Just the fact that you are saying Hatten “saved his job” after an elite 8 year 1, Big East title year 2, and NCAA berth will almost an entirely new team year 4 is crazy!!!! Our fans are insane. We had the worst facilities of any high major. He was locking up recruits a freaking station wagon and still land top 25 players!Imagine all the people . . .
His last year he was 15-13/7-9 with 3 top 100 recruits and Hatten going into the BET. As I've stated often Hatten carrying the team on his back to the NIT title saved his job for 9 months since 2 years before that he had a losing record even with Curtis Johnson.They year in between, while medicore did at least generate a bid. And all these records include the vacated wins. Then he lost Fairfield and Hofstra before getting fired at 2-4. Throw in the attitude towards the job and university leadership once MJ shunned him and it was time to go.
His rosters were a mess once Fran's guys left, despite that "awesome" Cook/Shaw/Cuffe/Diakite class.
I will give you that his defensive coaching was above par and he wasn't set a very high bar so in that vein he could be looked back upon favorably by some. Of course at the time I think most of us wanted more. We got less, mostly due to Pitt and the toxicity of the program after that.
You can’t miss on a Darius Miles and have Cook and Barkley go pro early or you’re done here. That is so insane. We got everything we deserved. 6 years of Norm Roberts because our fans hated Jarvis.
Or maybe title it " Uncle Phil " to cause less tension
RedmanMike
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I’m not sure if it’s fair to say that Hatten saved Jarvis’ job, but it is fair to say that Hatten’s greatness masked the slow deterioration of the program in the latter Jarvis years.
Blocked by Obekpa
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I came here for posts about the transfer portal and all I’m seeing are comments about Mike Jarvis, Posh, and Metta Worldpeace’s choice of meals. What gives?
I don't recall a star player being so God-awful in a game, so out of it, as Artest was in the first half vs. Ohio State. It is definitely off-topic, but it was incredible. He played like he was either really out of it, or terrified in the moment - airballs, fumbled passes, tentative movements. he did recover in 2nd half, hence the close game.
Any encouraging news on the portal this A.M.?
Nice save, Beast. Lol.
I applaud your analysis since I know it is well intentioned . The piece I think you miss is that you are asking him to transform and reprogram 6 different players . Players that do not fit Rick’s system to begin with .
I understand many posters developed attachment to these players , especially those here 2-3 years . But , it’s a bit beyond hope that that Team would have displaced Marquette , Creighton , Xavier , PC to qualify for a Tournament .
Well, These Universities are all about mental health... don't see how they prevent any of these waivers.
I have no "intentions" one way or the other, and no attachment to any of the departed players. Just simply stating an opinion. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter much since we'll never know what Rick could or couldn't have accomplished with last season's group
Sly, you can't have it both ways. Four more Big East wins would have had us at 21-10 and 11-9 in the Big East and we would have been squarely on the bubble and quite likely on the right side of the bubble as the 6th Big East team in, which by the way is exactly where we were on the Big East coaches preseason poll. Nova & Hall were both 10-10 and with subpar OOC records which is why neither got in as 6th team.
If Pitino is the coach most of us think he is and CMA as bad as many here feel he was (and I came to the conclusion later than many he didn't have it any more), Monte's point that Pitino would have had last year's team at least on the bubble is completely reasonable.
Larry Wright
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On top of that from what people are saying you can’t judge the incoming players by either their rankings or where they previously played. So according to this board we have no way of telling how good the players are until they play here.
Unless one thinks that Anderson assembled a groups of misfit toys (hand straight up here) and that the sum of the parts was never going to work. Which doesn't mean they can't now have individual success stories. I think Pitino is the coach I think he is but also think one reason is he recognizes how to put together a proper roster. It's fun, and maybe reasonable, to think Pitino could have just fixed some of these guys, and we will never know. But I'm in the no way no how camp. And it looks like Pitino was too.
No I'm saying Hatten "saved his job" after a losing season, a mediocre season, and another mediocre season where they barely made the NIT. Would they have made it if they didn't own it? Maybe, but if they didn't they would have ended up 16-13. If they had gone 14-15, 20-12, 16-13 and given his fractured relationship with everyone at the school he would have been fired, maybe even if he only won a game or two there. So yes Hatten "saved his job" by carrying the team to the NIT title. That is also made apparent by the quick hook he got at the beginning of the next season.
The talent he was attracting was nothing near the talent he inherited (which included Barkley by the way, a Fran recruit). His record the last three years was equal to Lavin and Mullin. And this was at a time when we expected more out of the program then we did in the 20 years past, before RP was hired. Re the first two years, If Fran was sane he would have done the same with his kids the first two years and probably kept the recruiting momentum going far better than Mike and Deuce. Miles was never playing college ball. SO the one thing you mention that I will give you is Cook leaving early, but that's one thing. So even if you are willing to ignore him being a toxic human being it was time to go. I get it, those first two years of Jarvis were great. After that we got the real thing. Jarvis' tenure trended down dramatically starting at the end of the third season. Not a trend they should have clung to.
I'm pretty sure if there was a portal back then Jarvis would have also experienced an outward migration of epic proportions.
If you think so , good . We will never know since it’s all hypothetical . Only 4 more wins , even with the Cupcake OOC wins, would have got us to the bubble?
Where would the 4 wins come from ?
So playing the what if scenario , Pitino would have been the Coach of the team last year at this time . Which means , only Soriano , Traore and Keita would have been holdovers . Pitino would have offered Posh and Storr a chance to stay . Likely with reduced playing time . The rest would have been released like happened this year . So it’s a moot point .
Obviously Rick didn’t like the CMA roster . Let’s play another scenario , you think Rick’s Iona team could have beaten our team last year ? I think it’s 50/50 they could have . Soriano would have had a big game but , UCONN won because Sanogo and Clingan went wild . I think Posh and Wusu would have had a lot of trouble with Clayton and Jenkins .
Anyway , all of this is just a game of what if . Let’s look forward to next season .
Rocket
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Frankly, I think it is time to move on from all the hypothetical talk about "what if Pitino was the coach of last year's team". It's a total waste of time and proves nothing other than trying to further diminish CMA while overstating the individual talents of players that could not get it together as a team.
A truly gifted and talented player makes other less talented players around them better players. They feed off his talent. They learn from his talent. They gain the invaluable experience of playing against and with a high level athlete.
None of the players that left made anyone around them better and more often than not, they took a shot too late on the clock after keeping the ball to themselves longer than they should have because they were in the habit of playing hero ball rather than team ball.