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I agree another rebuild.    I’m getting old lol said:
If CMA leaves you can kiss the players goodbye and have another "rebuilding" process for which some of us are getting too old to go through again.  As to a replacement--maybe it is time to get someone with good recruiting skills in the NY area; say Van Macon who was responsible for Champ and Posh/Dylan.  He could be supported by shoes who has HC experience and consider moving Zendon to an AC position and might help us retain the young men on the team.
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So he leaves and next year it’s a rebuild vs what exactly? He stays and we’re a sweet 16 team?

The fact that this rumor hasn’t been shot down already already calls his character into question along with all the fluff that’s peddled out there “he’s a good guy who has never had a losing season etc.” 

If he were such a great guy and adaptable coach then 80%+ of the team wouldn’t have left last year. You can’t fit a square peg in a round hole, let’s hope CMA does us a favor here.
 
Paultzman post=463791 said:
Hopely our new President is as focused on winning as advertised and has already spoken to Cragg to address the rumor. Should not let this fester for many reasons including roster stability and recruiting. We’ll see soon enough.

One aside, if Mike does opt to leave, let’s not assume it was because of social media and blog negativity about his tenure to date. Some posters have referenced coaches like Cooley and Willard having tough first three or four seasons and assume they got plenty of flak, but stayed the course. I would hope Mike is built the same way.
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The difference between Cooley, Willard, and Anderson are their ages (Cooley is 52, Willard is 46, and Anderson is 62).  Cooley and Willard had time to make adjustments to what they were or were not doing.  Anderson has been at this longer than Cooley and WIllard--and like I've stated before--Anderson has a history of winning games with his system.  

Anderson obviously has a grasp of what he's doing as you don't coach as long as he has to not have a grip.  The thing is I feel it's now an antiquated system to make as your calling card.  Unless we're running out a vast or modest amount of elite or high-level players then I don't see this system consistently working in our favor.  Unfortunately, I think we got a solid coach on the downturn of his career.  It sucks as I really, really like Anderson.

Throughout the last decade, Anderson has only been to 3 NCAA Tournaments (2-3 record).  Granted, his record has been better than Cooley's and Willard's in that span, it still shows a descension as Anderson had made the NCAA Tournament six out of eight years between his time at UAB and Missouri (7-6 record in the NCAA Tournament).  His age, descending NCAA Tournament invites, and outdated system doesn't give me a whole lot of hope going forward.  I think we'll always compete and play hard as the dickens as that's what he gets outta his teams.  But I'm finding it tough for us to make the "leap."  I'll also wonder will it be long-term, consistent, or merely a flash in the pan when we do make "leap."  

I hope the powers that be are wise enough this time if Anderson actually bolts for Tulsa.  
 
I want Anderson to return. I feel like he can get us to the NCAA tournament. As far as rebuilds I feel like if our players return and we replace Coburn and Smith with a decent guard, we are on a positive trajectory. If a bunch of guys leave it's a rebuild anyway. Otherwise we might as well go the Pitino route if he is interested because he could get us competitive quickly. 
 
MJDinkins post=463869 said:
Paultzman post=463791 said:
Hopely our new President is as focused on winning as advertised and has already spoken to Cragg to address the rumor. Should not let this fester for many reasons including roster stability and recruiting. We’ll see soon enough.

One aside, if Mike does opt to leave, let’s not assume it was because of social media and blog negativity about his tenure to date. Some posters have referenced coaches like Cooley and Willard having tough first three or four seasons and assume they got plenty of flak, but stayed the course. I would hope Mike is built the same way.
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The difference between Cooley, Willard, and Anderson are their ages (Cooley is 52, Willard is 46, and Anderson is 62).  Cooley and Willard had time to make adjustments to what they were or were not doing.  Anderson has been at this longer than Cooley and WIllard--and like I've stated before--Anderson has a history of winning games with his system.  

Anderson obviously has a grasp of what he's doing as you don't coach as long as he has to not have a grip.  The thing is I feel it's now an antiquated system to make as your calling card.  Unless we're running out a vast or modest amount of elite or high-level players then I don't see this system consistently working in our favor.  Unfortunately, I think we got a solid coach on the downturn of his career.  It sucks as I really, really like Anderson.

Throughout the last decade, Anderson has only been to 3 NCAA Tournaments (2-3 record).  Granted, his record has been better than Cooley's and Willard's in that span, it still shows a descension as Anderson had made the NCAA Tournament six out of eight years between his time at UAB and Missouri (7-6 record in the NCAA Tournament).  His age, descending NCAA Tournament invites, and outdated system doesn't give me a whole lot of hope going forward.  I think we'll always compete and play hard as the dickens as that's what he gets outta his teams.  But I'm finding it tough for us to make the "leap."  I'll also wonder will it be long-term, consistent, or merely a flash in the pan when we do make "leap."  

I hope the powers that be are wise enough this time if Anderson actually bolts for Tulsa.  
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Your last sentence says it all. If CMA does leave, I hope Shanley and Cragg make the right hire. As someone on the Seton Hall fan website pointed out, if he does leave, his replacement will be our fourth head coach in 10 years. Doesn't say much about our hiring skills and it's not a good look for our program in terms of stability and continuity. Of course if Pitino were to come here, which I seriously doubt, than none of that matters. It's always something. 
 
We were lucky to pull Anderson out of the hat last time, do what makes anyone think we’ll be able to do better now?
 
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Making Plays post=463863 said:
JohnnyFan post=463799 said:
I don't think CMA pays much mind to Twitter, but I will say that the SJUBB hashtag on Twitter is an embarrassment that could sway a recruit.  Every team has unreasonable Twitter trolls, but #SJUBB is particularly loaded with bufoons and burner accounts. 
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I'm glad you brought this up, you are 100% correct.  I follow a couple NBA teams and follow the Razorbacks as well, and nobody else really has a universal hashtag that the majority of the fan base follows that's primarily negative towards their own team.  It would be one thing if it was just a few random fans being negative on it, that's expected, but well known media people such as Jeff Goodman and Zach B use it, so a lot of recruits and recruits parents that want to see St. John's news on twitter run into a lot of that crap.

I would say probably 90% of the stuff under that hashtag is either immature trolling or just negativity.  Paultz is like one of the few people I see that uses it correctly to showcase potential recruits and use it for positive news and updates. One of the more popular guys that uses it Frankingeneral I had to block the guy because all he does is use that hashtag all day long encouraging people to not go to games and pressure the AD to fire CMA.  He was using it telling people to bet against Johnnies in certain games, and Julian actually called him out on it, you don't really see that type of interaction between players and fans everyday.

Using Arkansas as an example, there's like 10 different hashtags you can follow , the one's that are the most popular are like #WPS #Neveryield #OneRazorback and they are used for all the programs just just basketball and it's primarily positive minus a few trolls that nobody really pays attention to.   If I was St.John's administration I'd really try to come up with another hashtag to follow and market the heck out of it, social media presence and perception is really important to kids these days. Let the trolls have #sjubb, because it's just toxic.
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good post. I wonder if that’s the same guy I blocked on FaceBook because he said he would encourage Posh and Wheeler not to return. That’s not a real fan. 
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I don't know, but that guy is very toxic.  He regularly gets into arguments with Aaron Wheeler's uncle on twitter.  Anyone that's not talking about firing CMA he makes an enemy of and attacks them with personal insults and he does not stop posting.  I'm actually surprised nobody has confronted him in person yet with all the trash he talks, he regularly tells people to come to his section if they got a problem with him.  
 
Making Plays post=463873 said:
Tonyinfairfield post=463864 said:
Making Plays post=463863 said:
JohnnyFan post=463799 said:
I don't think CMA pays much mind to Twitter, but I will say that the SJUBB hashtag on Twitter is an embarrassment that could sway a recruit.  Every team has unreasonable Twitter trolls, but #SJUBB is particularly loaded with bufoons and burner accounts. 
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I'm glad you brought this up, you are 100% correct.  I follow a couple NBA teams and follow the Razorbacks as well, and nobody else really has a universal hashtag that the majority of the fan base follows that's primarily negative towards their own team.  It would be one thing if it was just a few random fans being negative on it, that's expected, but well known media people such as Jeff Goodman and Zach B use it, so a lot of recruits and recruits parents that want to see St. John's news on twitter run into a lot of that crap.

I would say probably 90% of the stuff under that hashtag is either immature trolling or just negativity.  Paultz is like one of the few people I see that uses it correctly to showcase potential recruits and use it for positive news and updates. One of the more popular guys that uses it Frankingeneral I had to block the guy because all he does is use that hashtag all day long encouraging people to not go to games and pressure the AD to fire CMA.  He was using it telling people to bet against Johnnies in certain games, and Julian actually called him out on it, you don't really see that type of interaction between players and fans everyday.

Using Arkansas as an example, there's like 10 different hashtags you can follow , the one's that are the most popular are like #WPS #Neveryield #OneRazorback and they are used for all the programs just just basketball and it's primarily positive minus a few trolls that nobody really pays attention to.   If I was St.John's administration I'd really try to come up with another hashtag to follow and market the heck out of it, social media presence and perception is really important to kids these days. Let the trolls have #sjubb, because it's just toxic.
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good post. I wonder if that’s the same guy I blocked on FaceBook because he said he would encourage Posh and Wheeler not to return. That’s not a real fan. 
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I don't know, but that guy is very toxic.  He regularly gets into arguments with Aaron Wheeler's uncle on twitter.  Anyone that's not talking about firing CMA he makes an enemy of and attacks them with personal insults and he does not stop posting.  I'm actually surprised nobody has confronted him in person yet with all the trash he talks, he regularly tells people to come to his section if they got a problem with him.  
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He is a jackass
 
MJDinkins post=463869 said:
Paultzman post=463791 said:
Hopely our new President is as focused on winning as advertised and has already spoken to Cragg to address the rumor. Should not let this fester for many reasons including roster stability and recruiting. We’ll see soon enough.

One aside, if Mike does opt to leave, let’s not assume it was because of social media and blog negativity about his tenure to date. Some posters have referenced coaches like Cooley and Willard having tough first three or four seasons and assume they got plenty of flak, but stayed the course. I would hope Mike is built the same way.
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The difference between Cooley, Willard, and Anderson are their ages (Cooley is 52, Willard is 46, and Anderson is 62).  Cooley and Willard had time to make adjustments to what they were or were not doing.  Anderson has been at this longer than Cooley and WIllard--and like I've stated before--Anderson has a history of winning games with his system.  

Anderson obviously has a grasp of what he's doing as you don't coach as long as he has to not have a grip.  The thing is I feel it's now an antiquated system to make as your calling card.  Unless we're running out a vast or modest amount of elite or high-level players then I don't see this system consistently working in our favor.  Unfortunately, I think we got a solid coach on the downturn of his career.  It sucks as I really, really like Anderson.

Throughout the last decade, Anderson has only been to 3 NCAA Tournaments (2-3 record).  Granted, his record has been better than Cooley's and Willard's in that span, it still shows a descension as Anderson had made the NCAA Tournament six out of eight years between his time at UAB and Missouri (7-6 record in the NCAA Tournament).  His age, descending NCAA Tournament invites, and outdated system doesn't give me a whole lot of hope going forward.  I think we'll always compete and play hard as the dickens as that's what he gets outta his teams.  But I'm finding it tough for us to make the "leap."  I'll also wonder will it be long-term, consistent, or merely a flash in the pan when we do make "leap."  

I hope the powers that be are wise enough this time if Anderson actually bolts for Tulsa.  
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Great post Dink 
 
Tonyinfairfield post=463871 said:
MJDinkins post=463869 said:
Paultzman post=463791 said:
Hopely our new President is as focused on winning as advertised and has already spoken to Cragg to address the rumor. Should not let this fester for many reasons including roster stability and recruiting. We’ll see soon enough.

One aside, if Mike does opt to leave, let’s not assume it was because of social media and blog negativity about his tenure to date. Some posters have referenced coaches like Cooley and Willard having tough first three or four seasons and assume they got plenty of flak, but stayed the course. I would hope Mike is built the same way.
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The difference between Cooley, Willard, and Anderson are their ages (Cooley is 52, Willard is 46, and Anderson is 62).  Cooley and Willard had time to make adjustments to what they were or were not doing.  Anderson has been at this longer than Cooley and WIllard--and like I've stated before--Anderson has a history of winning games with his system.  

Anderson obviously has a grasp of what he's doing as you don't coach as long as he has to not have a grip.  The thing is I feel it's now an antiquated system to make as your calling card.  Unless we're running out a vast or modest amount of elite or high-level players then I don't see this system consistently working in our favor.  Unfortunately, I think we got a solid coach on the downturn of his career.  It sucks as I really, really like Anderson.

Throughout the last decade, Anderson has only been to 3 NCAA Tournaments (2-3 record).  Granted, his record has been better than Cooley's and Willard's in that span, it still shows a descension as Anderson had made the NCAA Tournament six out of eight years between his time at UAB and Missouri (7-6 record in the NCAA Tournament).  His age, descending NCAA Tournament invites, and outdated system doesn't give me a whole lot of hope going forward.  I think we'll always compete and play hard as the dickens as that's what he gets outta his teams.  But I'm finding it tough for us to make the "leap."  I'll also wonder will it be long-term, consistent, or merely a flash in the pan when we do make "leap."  

I hope the powers that be are wise enough this time if Anderson actually bolts for Tulsa.  
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Your last sentence says it all. If CMA does leave, I hope Shanley and Cragg make the right hire. As someone on the Seton Hall fan website pointed out, if he does leave, his replacement will be our fourth head coach in 10 years. Doesn't say much about our hiring skills and it's not a good look for our program in terms of stability and continuity. Of course if Pitino were to come here, which I seriously doubt, than none of that matters. It's always something. 

regardless of what he says publicly, I can’t see pitino not wanting the sju job over literally any other.  Money means nothing to him. It is a dream scenario from his point of view to resurrect his image in the last chapter of his professional life and my god can you imagine this city if he brought sju into the top 10?  Achieving that is one of the remaining Mt. Everest’s in NYC sports, a few pegs down from Jets SB. Edit - I seem to have misread the prior
post.  Likely won’t happen due to a pass on  SJU ‘s end.  Got it. 

 
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Anderson mentioned here on as "still involved"...

Anderson, who remains a candidate, might be too expensive, considering his 2 mil or so salary at St. John's. But the 62-year-old Anderson isn't tearing it up up at St. John's - three winning seasons but only a 50-41 record there, including 17-15 this season.Anderson might take less to come back to a much better place to live and work. And to his alma mater.

https://tulsa.rivals.com/news/tulsa-searches-for-new-coach-after-haith-resigns
 
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Jermane Attoil post=463913 said:
If Anderson were to leave, what would most of you think of Tom Crean as a replacement? 
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When you lose a coach, you don't usually purposely try to find a worse one.
 
Jermane Attoil post=463913 said:
If Anderson were to leave, what would most of you think of Tom Crean as a replacement? 
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Think we need to stay away from coaches who were fired from their last gig.
In Crean's case, his last 2 gigs. 
 
L J S A post=463919 said:
Jermane Attoil post=463913 said:
If Anderson were to leave, what would most of you think of Tom Crean as a replacement? 
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When you lose a coach, you don't usually purposely try to find a worse one.
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Jarvis to Norm 
Lavin to Mullin

We are pretty good at it
 
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