The Tulsa rumors

[QueensBall]

So at about the same exact time. Matt Norlander says he’s not going to Tulsa.-  “Source—St. John’s coach Mike Anderson is no longer a candidate for the Tulsa opening. Anderson’s buyout is in the $2.5 million range, Tulsa isn’t flush with cash, interest not mutual.
Anderson’s been connected to the job because he’s a Tulsa alum, got his start in coaching there” 

While the coaching changes Twitter handle says he’s definitely going. - “Mike Anderson to Tulsa is going to happen. It probably would have happened anyway, but an unhappy wife means an unhappy life and Mrs. Anderson apparently hates New York City.”

Norlander putting his name and credibility behind it would hope means more. 

Yeah I definitely trust Norlander. Things change quickly but I value his word over anonymous accounts. Anyone who reads his CourtReport or listens to CBS Eye on College Basketball knows that he’s always measured and careful about putting info out. He’s not a guy who chases clicks or rushes to be first on things. 

 

[redfazed]

Well, my source said Anderson and his wife (particularly the latter) wanted to return to the south. Did not specifically mention Tulsa — although when the Tulsa rumor came out, I assumed that was the case. Is it another school? Is he staying here? Clarification at this point would certainly be helpful. I am happy to be on the wrong side of this rumor.

 

[stjohnnie75]

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1503527332950151170

I have no idea who this dude is or if he would hear anything from anybody that would actually know something. I hate being teased like this though.

I just don’t see St. John’s hiring a guy that banged a woman (not his wife) on a restaurant table. I guess we shall see


 

You give the school too much credit. They did, after all, bring in a three time convicted felon (Rapper), one of which was for domestic violence, to perform at the team's opening night festivities. And they were most aware of this. It seems like the school will selectively forgive, or overlook such indiscretions unless a particular individual's feathers are ruffled. Hopefully they can find it in their hearts to forgive Mr. Pitino if it has a tremendous positive impact on the basketball program and university as a whole.

You really think a one time performance is the same as a full time employee making $2+ Million per year?

 

[Amaseinyourface]

So at about the same exact time. Matt Norlander says he’s not going to Tulsa.-  “Source—St. John’s coach Mike Anderson is no longer a candidate for the Tulsa opening. Anderson’s buyout is in the $2.5 million range, Tulsa isn’t flush with cash, interest not mutual.
Anderson’s been connected to the job because he’s a Tulsa alum, got his start in coaching there” 

While the coaching changes Twitter handle says he’s definitely going. - “Mike Anderson to Tulsa is going to happen. It probably would have happened anyway, but an unhappy wife means an unhappy life and Mrs. Anderson apparently hates New York City.”

Norlander putting his name and credibility behind it would hope means more. 

Yeah I definitely trust Norlander. Things change quickly but I value his word over anonymous accounts. Anyone who reads his CourtReport or listens to CBS Eye on College Basketball knows that he’s always measured and careful about putting info out. He’s not a guy who chases clicks or rushes to be first on things. 

Agreed. He’s good. Just not as funny as he thinks he is!

 

[QueensBall]

So at about the same exact time. Matt Norlander says he’s not going to Tulsa.-  “Source—St. John’s coach Mike Anderson is no longer a candidate for the Tulsa opening. Anderson’s buyout is in the $2.5 million range, Tulsa isn’t flush with cash, interest not mutual.
Anderson’s been connected to the job because he’s a Tulsa alum, got his start in coaching there” 

While the coaching changes Twitter handle says he’s definitely going. - “Mike Anderson to Tulsa is going to happen. It probably would have happened anyway, but an unhappy wife means an unhappy life and Mrs. Anderson apparently hates New York City.”

Norlander putting his name and credibility behind it would hope means more. 

Yeah I definitely trust Norlander. Things change quickly but I value his word over anonymous accounts. Anyone who reads his CourtReport or listens to CBS Eye on College Basketball knows that he’s always measured and careful about putting info out. He’s not a guy who chases clicks or rushes to be first on things. 

Agreed. He’s good. Just not as funny as he thinks he is!

Disagree big time. His HBO comedy hour rivals anything Eddie Murphy or Seinfeld ever put out. Norlander is a comedic legend although quite raunchy. Just filthy material. 

 

[Johnny Rapper]

If in fact he is flirting with other programs and/or even negotiating with them he loses all credibility as a leader of our basketball program. I was willing to go along with another year for him to see where it goes (I only asked that he be evaluated as all our  past coaches were) but the damage he is doing to this and further recruiting classes by keeping everything all up in the air is not worthy of him continuing as the head coach and hope Cragg has big enough onions to put an end to this and dump him. And don’t think opposing coaches won’t use this against the program saying that Anderson has one foot out the door if he does return. 

 

[IDRAFT]

Cragg has been here four years. Who is calling for his head?

You are fanning a smoldering board, right after a tough season ending. Your post was implicit in calling for his head, and it was completely unecessary.   Just look at this.  You know you did it.  Don't act dumb.

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Please. I hate to have to respond to this since I already covered it some in the other thread, but I've just seen it. I haven't been impressed with Cragg, but I did not call for his head - period end of story. And if even one person had followed up by asking me if I wanted him replaced at this time I would have answered no. Nobody did.

Why after 176 pages about CMA, its off limits to discuss Cragg I don't know. As for the overall tone of this board, yeah, I'm the problem. Jeez, Cragg is really beloved here.

 

[Johnny Rapper]

I would hope that Cragg/St Johns had enough sense that they included something in Anderson’s contract that stated….”should he be inquiring into other jobs etc. he forfeits any buy out money” Obviously I’m not a lawyer and wouldn’t know how to express this but you all get the drift. The damage being done at this time by his unknown dealings is far greater then we may know. 

 

[lawmanfan]

I would hope that Cragg/St Johns had enough sense that they included something in Anderson’s contract that stated….”should he be inquiring into other jobs etc. he forfeits any buy out money” Obviously I’m not a lawyer and wouldn’t know how to express this but you all get the drift. The damage being done at this time by his unknown dealings is far greater then we may know. 
 

Your affection for the SJU program is about as straightforward as Enamraj Liotta. 

 

[lawmanfan]

Bottom line is:

Mike Anderson : Tulsa
Billy Donovan : St John's

It was never real, just a creation of a combination of (a) some folks connecting the dots of Anderson's Tulsa history to that job opening; and (b) some other folks who don't want Anderson here coming up with (to them) a plausible scenario to achieve their desired goal.

My opinion remains that stability and professionalism are good and important things for our program to have.  They obviously have to be accompanied by on-court progress but you can't keep changing coaches every 4-5 years and expect to build any kind of lasting success.  You have to start somewhere and that's where Anderson, Cragg, and Fr. Shanley are.  They haven't been here for the last 20 years of (general) ineptitude, and they deserve a full and fair opportunity to build something here. 

 

[Johnny Rapper]

I would hope that Cragg/St Johns had enough sense that they included something in Anderson’s contract that stated….”should he be inquiring into other jobs etc. he forfeits any buy out money” Obviously I’m not a lawyer and wouldn’t know how to express this but you all get the drift. The damage being done at this time by his unknown dealings is far greater then we may know. 

 

Your affection for the SJU program is about as straightforward as Enamraj Liotta. 

Actually my affection is legit. Unlike many, I choose to support the school and program over any one particular coach. I guess it’s nice to have the status if a moderator, you get to rip into others without repercussions . I’m sure if I did the same I would be bounced. 

 

[lawmanfan]

And now locking this thread since it is no longer relevant - see the "Message from Coach Anderson" thread instead from here on out.

 

[panther2]

If in fact he is flirting with other programs and/or even negotiating with them he loses all credibility as a leader of our basketball program. I was willing to go along with another year for him to see where it goes (I only asked that he be evaluated as all our  past coaches were) but the damage he is doing to this and further recruiting classes by keeping everything all up in the air is not worthy of him continuing as the head coach and hope Cragg has big enough onions to put an end to this and dump him. And don’t think opposing coaches won’t use this against the program saying that Anderson has one foot out the door if he does return. 
 

Wow, you just don't give up.

How about this, "Your delusional need to use anything, fact or fiction, to put down Coach Anderson has caused you to lose all CREDIBILITY". You are hating on Coach Anderson based on "ifs" and RUMORS, which shows that when it comes to him, you are not objective at all. To continually post half truths and rumors to tear a person down, shows a lack of integrity.

Personally, I will continue to support  Coach Anderson and St Johns, the same as I have been doing for over 60 years.

 

[SJU61982]

Bottom line is:

Mike Anderson : Tulsa
Billy Donovan : St John's

It was never real, just a creation of a combination of (a) some folks connecting the dots of Anderson's Tulsa history to that job opening; and (b) some other folks who don't want Anderson here coming up with (to them) a plausible scenario to achieve their desired goal.

My opinion remains that stability and professionalism are good and important things for our program to have.  They obviously have to be accompanied by on-court progress but you can't keep changing coaches every 4-5 years and expect to build any kind of lasting success.  You have to start somewhere and that's where Anderson, Cragg, and Fr. Shanley are.  They haven't been here for the last 20 years of (general) ineptitude, and they deserve a full and fair opportunity to build something here. 

But, stability and professionalism at what price?  That's what we got out of Norm for 6 years, and it set the program back, because he never came close to bringing the program back to prominence.

Obviously, Anderson is miles better than Norm, but can we really see it getting much better, especially if he sticks to his basic philosophies, especially re: player rotation?  Specifically, the obsession he has with defense needs to be cut back significantly.  Yes, it's important, but you have to score points, too.  Two of our losses this year were against Pitt and Seton Hall, both at MSG.  In both games, while we were struggling to score, Coburn came off the bench and hit a 3-pointer, was back on the bench 2 minutes later, and did not return (he may have been in at the end of Pitt, I don't really recall).  To say nothing of Stanley and Smith not being on the court at the end of the Creighton game (they had combined for 27 points).  Yet, Mathis is allowed to shoot 1-14 against Villanova, and pretty much take us out of that game single-handedly, until we made a near-miracle comeback. Wusu also played way too much Presumably, their D game them much longer ropes, but what good is that, if we can't score on the other end of it?

At his age, I can't see Anderson changing.  The only older coach (in this town anyway), that I can recall changing his ways (and having success with it) was Tom Coughlin, and he really just toned down the rhetoric. My issues with Anderson are more philosophical in nature (not the full-court style, I actually like that, though we could use a shot blocker in the back of it), and my personal belief that offense just doesn't "come" out of good defense.  I can see this being a problem with me for the rest of his stay here, however long that is.

Hope he brings us a National Championship (even a Final Four would probably make him a lifer with me), but I'm not confidant of even getting to the second weekend consistently.