The Tulsa rumors

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QueensBall post=464314 said:
I don’t understand how anyone in the world can possibly believe that either firing Anderson OR having him leave for Tulsa makes St Johns a MORE desirable job than it was when he was hired and we were fortunate to land him given some of the other options.

I find this board to be a place where (mostly) reasonable fans can have an informed, respectful debate but on other forms of social media there is a lack of intelligence and self-awareness regarding the program that just blows my mind. Clamoring for a well respected coach (regardless of if you personally respect him this is how he’s perceived in the coaching community) to be fired for underperforming for the first time just one season after we all praise him for winning Big East COY and OVERperforming makes this fanbase seem schizophrenic at best. Cragg & Anderson haven’t been waiting for this program to right the ship for 20+ years like the fans have. Certain portions of this fanbase should stop unloading all the frustration for those years into this one season of dissapointment. Cragg and Coach have been here for 3 and people are calling for their heads and wishing they’d leave. Careful what you wish for.

I generally agree with this level-headed sentiment, and I like CMA, but frankly it is very difficult to imagine anything other than continued mediocrity at best for at least the next season or two under status quo, and perhaps much worse.  And then what?  I gradually took off my rose-colored glasses this season and became realistic about the relative lack of national success CMA has had over the past 20 years, and am not convinced his past results are not the ceiling for him at SJU in an absolute best case scenario.  Folks are desperate to make a real leap towards national relevance and have been waiting since 2000 to see it.  Hard to blame at least one significant faction on here for wanting to bring in Rick, I've actually gotten there myself. 


 
 
The only coach that St. John’s should be focused on getting should Anderson leave ,should be Pitino.Pitino knows how to win with what he has at hand.Pitino and St.John have  desires to be relevant in the big stage of bb.Leave Pitino’s  past personal history be judged by God.I have never ever met a perfect human being.Pitino’s bb record speaks for itself.4 and 5 star players would love to play for him.
 
stjohnnie75 post=464297 said:
Mug Costanza post=464286 said:
https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1503527332950151170

I have no idea who this dude is or if he would hear anything from anybody that would actually know something. I hate being teased like this though.

I just don’t see St. John’s hiring a guy that banged a woman (not his wife) on a restaurant table. I guess we shall see

 
You give the school too much credit. They did, after all, bring in a three time convicted felon (Rapper), one of which was for domestic violence, to perform at the team's opening night festivities. And they were most aware of this. It seems like the school will selectively forgive, or overlook such indiscretions unless a particular individual's feathers are ruffled. Hopefully they can find it in their hearts to forgive Mr. Pitino if it has a tremendous positive impact on the basketball program and university as a whole.
 
I know who Jason Scheer is.  He is a Arizona insider.  I don't know who his source is on that tweet but I also know he would not just make it up or get it off a blog somehwere.
 
P Simmons post=464317 said:
QueensBall, you make a lot of good points. But you are overlooking the personal / lifestyle factors of the people involved here. CMA also has a spouse. Remember, he came here on exceptionally short notice, having just been fired from Arkansas. NYC is not everyone's cup of tea.

 
I hear you and I have no idea what Anderson will do, won’t do and even what is real and what isn’t re the rumors. My post more had to do with how members of this fanbase publicly slander the people who came to help fix the disfunction that they’ve suddenly decided Anderson and Cragg should be blamed for. 
 
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Am I crazy in thinking that for what could be a big-time program, our "fanbase" on these boards and twitter has an outsized influence, relative to other programs in similar conferences, on the the program (hiring / firing / turnover of players)? 

It just seems that there are so few fans online, that garbage twitter "suggestions" and a few posts on fan boards can rise to the top because they are outlandish?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere...but it feels like it's perhaps more effective in damaging here, because we have a smaller online presence?  There are probably only a hundred or so regular posters...which isn't a lot.  So a couple of nuts can have an outsized influence.

 
 
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I've become a big James Jones fan in the last three years, sorry three days. 
Do you think he'd still consider us?
 
SJ_NYC post=464330 said:
Am I crazy in thinking that for what could be a big-time program, our "fanbase" on these boards and twitter has an outsized influence, relative to other programs in similar conferences, on the the program (hiring / firing / turnover of players)? 

It just seems that there are so few fans online, that garbage twitter "suggestions" and a few posts on fan boards can to the top because they are outlandish?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere...but it feels like it's perhaps more effective in damaging here, because we have a smaller online presence?  There are probably only a hundred or so regular posters...which isn't a lot.  So a couple of nuts can have an outsized influence.


 

It certainly wouldn't hurt at all if more people took to Twitter to offset the idiots.  I am pretty sure that is what some of the folks who are related to some of our players and recruits are doing by making themselves more visible and going out of their way to post positive things about the staff and program.  I give them a lot of credit for that - and it shows you that high character folks like CMA attract high character kids with high character families.  It's a shame that they have to deal with the trolls online but that's life today.

I wonder if those idiots could be persuaded to go impersonate Seton Hall or UConn or Georgetown fans and get their jollies out that way.  It would be a win/win - they could continue to escape their apparently miserable lives by sh&t posting while doing something constructive to help our program at the same time.

Too bad those ideas never work in real life...
 
Queens all and P. Simmons, you have both done a great job of encapsulating the problem.

The program will be better off for the sake of stability having a solid coach like Anderson in place. And it is not a good look for the university to be searching for another head coach.

But there are times when you get that call from home, you must answer. And when you are entering year four with a little extra pressure, then it may be the final push. It isn’t anything that SJU could do to change it. Leaving for home may have always a consideration for Cragg when Anderson was hired. 

Whatever happens, happens. I have nothing bad to say about anyone in this. I will wish Anderson and his family the best. He is a true gentleman.

Family first. Life is too short. If you have the opportunity to do  what you love to do, while being around loved ones as you do it, then go for it. Lord knows I would take it. We all need to keep that in mind. 

We are…
 
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NCJohnnie post=464318 said:
QueensBall wrote:
I don’t understand how anyone in the world can possibly believe that either firing Anderson OR having him leave for Tulsa makes St Johns a MORE desirable job than it was when he was hired and we were fortunate to land him given some of the other options.

I find this board to be a place where (mostly) reasonable fans can have an informed, respectful debate but on other forms of social media there is a lack of intelligence and self-awareness regarding the program that just blows my mind. Clamoring for a well respected coach (regardless of if you personally respect him this is how he’s perceived in the coaching community) to be fired for underperforming for the first time just one season after we all praise him for winning Big East COY and OVERperforming makes this fanbase seem schizophrenic at best. Cragg & Anderson haven’t been waiting for this program to right the ship for 20+ years like the fans have. Certain portions of this fanbase should stop unloading all the frustration for those years into this one season of dissapointment. Cragg and Coach have been here for 3 and people are calling for their heads and wishing they’d leave. Careful what you wish for.

+1000
Cragg has been here four years. Who is calling for his head?
 
Damn man. 
I come here for ridiculous takes. 
And kranmars goes and gives me a lesson on life. 
I wasn't ready for that. 

 
 
So at about the same exact time. Matt Norlander says he’s not going to Tulsa.-  “Source—St. John’s coach Mike Anderson is no longer a candidate for the Tulsa opening. Anderson’s buyout is in the $2.5 million range, Tulsa isn’t flush with cash, interest not mutual.
Anderson’s been connected to the job because he’s a Tulsa alum, got his start in coaching there” 

While the coaching changes Twitter handle says he’s definitely going. - “Mike Anderson to Tulsa is going to happen. It probably would have happened anyway, but an unhappy wife means an unhappy life and Mrs. Anderson apparently hates New York City.”

Norlander putting his name and credibility behind it would hope means more. 
 
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IDRAFT post=464339 said:
Cragg has been here four years. Who is calling for his head?
You are fanning a smoldering board, right after a tough season ending. Your post was implicit in calling for his head, and it was completely unecessary.   Just look at this.  You know you did it.  Don't act dumb.

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Amaseinyourface post=464346 said:
So at about the same exact time. Matt Norlander says he’s not going to Tulsa. While the coaching changes Twitter handle says he’s definitely going. 

Norlander putting his name and credibility behind it would hope means more. 
Agree, coaching changes handle is very erratic while Norlander seems grounded and informed for most part
 
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SJ_NYC post=464347 said:
IDRAFT post=464339 said:
Cragg has been here four years. Who is calling for his head?
You are fanning a smoldering board, right after a tough season ending. Your post was implicit in calling for his head, and it was completely unecessary.   Just look at this.  You know you did it.  Don't act dumb.

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Think youre unreasonably drawing conclusions and deciding what his intent was. IDraft has always been extremely reasonable and open for any type of discussion. He posed questions that were typed out, and if you want to look at them as snappy or negative you could. Or you could read them as genuine questions.
 
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MainMan post=464331 said:
I've become a big James Jones fan in the last three years, sorry three days. 
Do you think he'd still consider us?

I am good friends with his brother and have heard he is looking for opportunity to coach “big time” program, so yes I think he would be interested. 
 
 
MainMan post=464342 said:
Damn man. 
I come here for ridiculous takes. 
And kranmars goes and gives me a lesson on life. 
I wasn't ready for that. 


 

Some like to collect stamps, I enjoy giving life lessons as a hobby.
 
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