Tariq Owens
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NCJohnnie wrote: Two popular redmen.com myths:
1. Tariq left St. John's so he could shoot more threes - neither he nor his Dad ever said this; in fact from everything I've read he left because he wanted to be better coached and be in an atmosphere where he could improve;
2. He is same Tariq at Texas Tech (e.g. similar ppg and rebounds per game) - this is complete nonsense, forget about his stats if you have watched their games he is playing great man to man defense something he was not known for at SJU. He has profited so much from Beard's coaching. Great decision and hope he plays a great game tomorrow.
So they're myths because it's "everything you've read" ??
1. Tariq and Renard felt he should be in the PF role. Wanted to be more involved in the pick and roll offense and felt Tariq could flourish hitting the midrange. This was all spoke about this with staff. Mullin tried hard to keep him. Tariq is 23 years old it was either trust the way things were or try to make your mark elsewhere for a shot at a professional career.
2. Texas Tech was his choice after Maryland did not offer him a ship. They had lost most of their frontline. Tariq had a relationship with a staff member from his AAU days.
3. Tariq has impacted the games just like he did here. This is NO surprise. The kid has great length and plays with great effort. At TT he isn't tasked with defending the strongest or biggest player on the court the whole game. He wasnt a full time starter the entire season. He's hooping and he deserves credit for excelling in his role. Good for him. He leaves it all out there.
4. His relationship with Ponds is good. The only thing that the Ponds FAMILY took exception was when Renard was sneak dissing Shamorie on twitter. Tariq and Shamorie are friends. Ponds isn't held at a different standard. It's a crock of nonsense. He is the best player SJU has had in years and like most he has defencies.
Thanks, Linx for straightening me out. I edited my original post to remove the references to other St. John's players as part of that was my reading between the lines in one or two articles and it may have been an inaccurate assumption on my part.
NCJohnnie wrote: Two popular redmen.com myths:
1. Tariq left St. John's so he could shoot more threes - neither he nor his Dad ever said this; in fact from everything I've read he left because he wanted to be better coached and be in an atmosphere where he could improve;
2. He is same Tariq at Texas Tech (e.g. similar ppg and rebounds per game) - this is complete nonsense, forget about his stats if you have watched their games he is playing great man to man defense something he was not known for at SJU. He has profited so much from Beard's coaching. Great decision and hope he plays a great game tomorrow.
So they're myths because it's "everything you've read" ??
1. Tariq and Renard felt he should be in the PF role. Wanted to be more involved in the pick and roll offense and felt Tariq could flourish hitting the midrange. This was all spoke about this with staff. Mullin tried hard to keep him. Tariq is 23 years old it was either trust the way things were or try to make your mark elsewhere for a shot at a professional career.
2. Texas Tech was his choice after Maryland did not offer him a ship. They had lost most of their frontline. Tariq had a relationship with a staff member from his AAU days.
3. Tariq has impacted the games just like he did here. This is NO surprise. The kid has great length and plays with great effort. At TT he isn't tasked with defending the strongest or biggest player on the court the whole game. He wasnt a full time starter the entire season. He's hooping and he deserves credit for excelling in his role. Good for him. He leaves it all out there.
4. His relationship with Ponds is good. The only thing that the Ponds FAMILY took exception was when Renard was sneak dissing Shamorie on twitter. Tariq and Shamorie are friends. Ponds isn't held at a different standard. It's a crock of nonsense. He is the best player SJU has had in years and like most he has defencies.
Thanks, Linx for straightening me out. I edited my original post to remove the references to other St. John's players as part of that was my reading between the lines in one or two articles and it may have been an inaccurate assumption on my part.
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linx wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote: Two popular redmen.com myths:
1. Tariq left St. John's so he could shoot more threes - neither he nor his Dad ever said this; in fact from everything I've read he left because he wanted to be better coached and be in an atmosphere where he could improve;
2. He is same Tariq at Texas Tech (e.g. similar ppg and rebounds per game) - this is complete nonsense, forget about his stats if you have watched their games he is playing great man to man defense something he was not known for at SJU. He has profited so much from Beard's coaching. Great decision and hope he plays a great game tomorrow.
So they're myths because it's "everything you've read" ??
1. Tariq and Renard felt he should be in the PF role. Wanted to be more involved in the pick and roll offense and felt Tariq could flourish hitting the midrange. This was all spoke about this with staff. Mullin tried hard to keep him. Tariq is 23 years old it was either trust the way things were or try to make your mark elsewhere for a shot at a professional career.
2. Texas Tech was his choice after Maryland did not offer him a ship. They had lost most of their frontline. Tariq had a relationship with a staff member from his AAU days.
3. Tariq has impacted the games just like he did here. This is NO surprise. The kid has great length and plays with great effort. At TT he isn't tasked with defending the strongest or biggest player on the court the whole game. He wasnt a full time starter the entire season. He's hooping and he deserves credit for excelling in his role. Good for him. He leaves it all out there.
4. His relationship with Ponds is good. The only thing that the Ponds FAMILY took exception was when Renard was sneak dissing Shamorie on twitter. Tariq and Shamorie are friends. Ponds isn't held at a different standard. It's a crock of nonsense. He is the best player SJU has had in years and like most he has defencies.
Thanks, Linx for straightening me out. I edited my original post to remove the references to other St. John's players as part of that was reading between the lines in one or two articles and it may have been an inaccurate assumption on my part.
NCJohnnie wrote: Two popular redmen.com myths:
1. Tariq left St. John's so he could shoot more threes - neither he nor his Dad ever said this; in fact from everything I've read he left because he wanted to be better coached and be in an atmosphere where he could improve;
2. He is same Tariq at Texas Tech (e.g. similar ppg and rebounds per game) - this is complete nonsense, forget about his stats if you have watched their games he is playing great man to man defense something he was not known for at SJU. He has profited so much from Beard's coaching. Great decision and hope he plays a great game tomorrow.
So they're myths because it's "everything you've read" ??
1. Tariq and Renard felt he should be in the PF role. Wanted to be more involved in the pick and roll offense and felt Tariq could flourish hitting the midrange. This was all spoke about this with staff. Mullin tried hard to keep him. Tariq is 23 years old it was either trust the way things were or try to make your mark elsewhere for a shot at a professional career.
2. Texas Tech was his choice after Maryland did not offer him a ship. They had lost most of their frontline. Tariq had a relationship with a staff member from his AAU days.
3. Tariq has impacted the games just like he did here. This is NO surprise. The kid has great length and plays with great effort. At TT he isn't tasked with defending the strongest or biggest player on the court the whole game. He wasnt a full time starter the entire season. He's hooping and he deserves credit for excelling in his role. Good for him. He leaves it all out there.
4. His relationship with Ponds is good. The only thing that the Ponds FAMILY took exception was when Renard was sneak dissing Shamorie on twitter. Tariq and Shamorie are friends. Ponds isn't held at a different standard. It's a crock of nonsense. He is the best player SJU has had in years and like most he has defencies.
Thanks, Linx for straightening me out. I edited my original post to remove the references to other St. John's players as part of that was reading between the lines in one or two articles and it may have been an inaccurate assumption on my part.
beast of the east
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[quote="linx" post=337831][quote="NCJohnnie" post=337809]Two popular redmen.com
1. Tariq left St. John's so he could shoot more threes - neither he nor his Dad ever said this; in fact from everything I've read he left because he wanted to be better coached and be in an atmosphere where he could improve (his pointed comments about how he loved ex-teammates Simon & Clark do not mention Shamorie and the Owens family clearly felt not everyone was held to same standard which seems to have been the case) ;
2. He is same Tariq at Texas Tech (e.g. similar ppg and rebounds per game) - this is complete nonsense, forget about his stats if you have watched their games he is playing great man to man defense something he was not known for at SJU. He has profited so much from Beard's coaching. Great decision and hope he plays a great game tomorrow.[/quote]
So they're myths because it's "everything you've read" ??
1. Tariq and Renard felt he should be in the PF role. Wanted to be more involved in the pick and roll offense and felt Tariq could flourish hitting the midrange. This was all spoke about this with staff. Mullin tried hard to keep him. Tariq is 23 years old it was either trust the way things were or try to make your mark elsewhere for a shot at a professional career.
2. Texas Tech was his choice after Maryland did not offer him a ship. They had lost most of their frontline. Tariq had a relationship with a staff member from his AAU days.
3. Tariq has impacted the games just like he did here. This is NO surprise. The kid has great length and plays with great effort. At TT he isn't tasked with defending the strongest or biggest player on the court the whole game. He wasnt a full time starter the entire season. He's hooping and he deserves credit for excelling in his role. Good for him. He leaves it all out there.
4. His relationship with Ponds is good. The only thing that the Ponds FAMILY took exception was when Renard was sneak dissing Shamorie on twitter. Tariq and Shamorie are friends. Ponds isn't held at a different standard. It's a crock of nonsense. He is the best player SJU has had in years and like most he has defencies.[/quote]
They are myths because Renard started chirping publicly via his Twitter account late year after the game were Tariq score 13 or 14 points in a loss that Tariq needed to get more shots. I believe the next game he went scoreless. Renard clearly has managed Tariq's decisions since he was a teenager, and he also made some comments akin to being the 4th or 5th option on offense was not the best way for Tariq to get to the next level (NBA). That's not myth, it's real.
Tariq had absolutely no post moves, and could not score guarded in the pain since he couldn't put the ball on the floor, nor play with his back to the basket. The best he could do on a pick and roll is a wide open layup or slam.
In TT's offense, he mostly sets picks at the top of the key, and rarely is the focus on a roll, if at all. For a guy his size he hardly gets to the line.
1. Tariq left St. John's so he could shoot more threes - neither he nor his Dad ever said this; in fact from everything I've read he left because he wanted to be better coached and be in an atmosphere where he could improve (his pointed comments about how he loved ex-teammates Simon & Clark do not mention Shamorie and the Owens family clearly felt not everyone was held to same standard which seems to have been the case) ;
2. He is same Tariq at Texas Tech (e.g. similar ppg and rebounds per game) - this is complete nonsense, forget about his stats if you have watched their games he is playing great man to man defense something he was not known for at SJU. He has profited so much from Beard's coaching. Great decision and hope he plays a great game tomorrow.[/quote]
So they're myths because it's "everything you've read" ??
1. Tariq and Renard felt he should be in the PF role. Wanted to be more involved in the pick and roll offense and felt Tariq could flourish hitting the midrange. This was all spoke about this with staff. Mullin tried hard to keep him. Tariq is 23 years old it was either trust the way things were or try to make your mark elsewhere for a shot at a professional career.
2. Texas Tech was his choice after Maryland did not offer him a ship. They had lost most of their frontline. Tariq had a relationship with a staff member from his AAU days.
3. Tariq has impacted the games just like he did here. This is NO surprise. The kid has great length and plays with great effort. At TT he isn't tasked with defending the strongest or biggest player on the court the whole game. He wasnt a full time starter the entire season. He's hooping and he deserves credit for excelling in his role. Good for him. He leaves it all out there.
4. His relationship with Ponds is good. The only thing that the Ponds FAMILY took exception was when Renard was sneak dissing Shamorie on twitter. Tariq and Shamorie are friends. Ponds isn't held at a different standard. It's a crock of nonsense. He is the best player SJU has had in years and like most he has defencies.[/quote]
They are myths because Renard started chirping publicly via his Twitter account late year after the game were Tariq score 13 or 14 points in a loss that Tariq needed to get more shots. I believe the next game he went scoreless. Renard clearly has managed Tariq's decisions since he was a teenager, and he also made some comments akin to being the 4th or 5th option on offense was not the best way for Tariq to get to the next level (NBA). That's not myth, it's real.
Tariq had absolutely no post moves, and could not score guarded in the pain since he couldn't put the ball on the floor, nor play with his back to the basket. The best he could do on a pick and roll is a wide open layup or slam.
In TT's offense, he mostly sets picks at the top of the key, and rarely is the focus on a roll, if at all. For a guy his size he hardly gets to the line.
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I think the key is that Texas Tech doesn’t use Tariq to defend the other teams center as his best skills are shot blocking and hustle. This way he doesn’t foul out. Regardless of what you think of Tariq he is an extremely effective college player and if his ankle holds up he may be the difference in tonight’s game between two very similar teams.
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beast of the east
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[quote="Andrew" post=337935]I think the key is that Texas Tech doesn’t use Tariq to defend the other teams center as his best skills are shot blocking and hustle. This way he doesn’t foul out. Regardless of what you think of Tariq he is an extremely effective college player and if his ankle holds up he may be the difference in tonight’s game between two very similar teams.[/quote]
He is definitely being used well, which is why they are playing for all the marbles.
He is definitely being used well, which is why they are playing for all the marbles.
JackofVirginia
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Congratulations Tariq, you obviously made the right decision. If you stayed with us I'm sure you would have made a difference. Your role hasn't changed with Tech but your coach has. Lucky you.
I love that this has all worked out for Tariq and it is great that he can finish his college career with this unbelievable tournament run. Owens has alway worked hard, had a positive attitude and it is always rewarding for me as fan to see a really good guy get some well deserved glory.
I think seeing him as a signifcant starter on a team playing for the national championship is a positive indicator for our program's talent level. Owens was a terrific player, when he was here, when judged within the context of the things he did well. When judged within the context of things he struggled with, he was often criticized. The bottom line is that at Texas Tech he is being used in a way that lets his strengths shine and leads to winning high level team basketball.
I believe you could say the same thing about all five of our starters on this year's team. Ponds, Simon, Clark, Heron and Figueroa when put on the right team, in the right situation, all have the potential to be significant contributors on a final four type team. The talent level is there.
That said, I believe talent level is only a portion of what makes a great team. It is a complex blend of chemistry, style of play, execution, coaching and using your talent appropriately that makes it all come together. Hardly anyone will argue that as individuals Zion Williamson and R.J. Barrett have a level of talent that exceeds any pair of players in the final four.
Additionally, if you went back in time to 2014-2015 and tried to recruit a transfer off the Air Force Academy Falcons roster and you were looking at a Freshman guard who averaged 6.9 points per game you might have been ridiculed that he was not a D1 talent. Yet four years later Matt Mooney is starring in the final four and with another big game tonight might wind up being the MOP of the final four. It makes me realize that in the right place and the right time and with some luck, glory is attainable for more than just the chosen few.
I think seeing him as a signifcant starter on a team playing for the national championship is a positive indicator for our program's talent level. Owens was a terrific player, when he was here, when judged within the context of the things he did well. When judged within the context of things he struggled with, he was often criticized. The bottom line is that at Texas Tech he is being used in a way that lets his strengths shine and leads to winning high level team basketball.
I believe you could say the same thing about all five of our starters on this year's team. Ponds, Simon, Clark, Heron and Figueroa when put on the right team, in the right situation, all have the potential to be significant contributors on a final four type team. The talent level is there.
That said, I believe talent level is only a portion of what makes a great team. It is a complex blend of chemistry, style of play, execution, coaching and using your talent appropriately that makes it all come together. Hardly anyone will argue that as individuals Zion Williamson and R.J. Barrett have a level of talent that exceeds any pair of players in the final four.
Additionally, if you went back in time to 2014-2015 and tried to recruit a transfer off the Air Force Academy Falcons roster and you were looking at a Freshman guard who averaged 6.9 points per game you might have been ridiculed that he was not a D1 talent. Yet four years later Matt Mooney is starring in the final four and with another big game tonight might wind up being the MOP of the final four. It makes me realize that in the right place and the right time and with some luck, glory is attainable for more than just the chosen few.
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This is the Owens I’m use to seeing:
3pt, 5 rebounds and 4 fouls
Looks a step slow due to ankle injury
3pt, 5 rebounds and 4 fouls
Looks a step slow due to ankle injury
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=338224]This is the Owens I’m use to seeing:
3pt, 5 rebounds and 4 fouls
Looks a step slow due to ankle injury[/quote]
Kid had severe high ankle sprain, got treatment every 2 hours including throughout the last two overnights and wouldn't be playing if it wasn't the title game. Was in walking boot right up to game time. Also playing against top team in country. Deserves kudos not criticism.
3pt, 5 rebounds and 4 fouls
Looks a step slow due to ankle injury[/quote]
Kid had severe high ankle sprain, got treatment every 2 hours including throughout the last two overnights and wouldn't be playing if it wasn't the title game. Was in walking boot right up to game time. Also playing against top team in country. Deserves kudos not criticism.
[quote="bamafan" post=338229][quote="stjohnnie75" post=338224]This is the Owens I’m use to seeing:
3pt, 5 rebounds and 4 fouls
Looks a step slow due to ankle injury[/quote]
Kid had severe high ankle sprain, got treatment every 2 hours including throughout the last two overnights and wouldn't be playing if it wasn't the title game. Was in walking boot right up to game time. Also playing against top team in country. Deserves kudos not criticism.[/quote]
Didn’t mean it as criticism and also noted injury. Just meant that we have seen games like this before from him.
3pt, 5 rebounds and 4 fouls
Looks a step slow due to ankle injury[/quote]
Kid had severe high ankle sprain, got treatment every 2 hours including throughout the last two overnights and wouldn't be playing if it wasn't the title game. Was in walking boot right up to game time. Also playing against top team in country. Deserves kudos not criticism.[/quote]
Didn’t mean it as criticism and also noted injury. Just meant that we have seen games like this before from him.
Sneaky bounce signs one year contract with the Phoenix Suns. Looks like Paul and I had that one and even sooner than I expected. Not sure if anyone else was on board with Tariq Owens being an NBA player some day. Did this without being drafted nor participating in summer league due to ankle injury suffered at the end of his college season.
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ErickTheRed
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Lesser Hakim Warrick
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=354580]It's an Exhibit 10 contract (basically a G-League contract with a training camp invite.). That said, he will play in front of decision makers during the Suns' camp.[/quote]
Thanks. Read on twitter he signed one year contract. No details were provided so I guess in this day of crazy contracts I shouldn't have assumed it was for the big club. Good luck to the young man in any case.
Thanks. Read on twitter he signed one year contract. No details were provided so I guess in this day of crazy contracts I shouldn't have assumed it was for the big club. Good luck to the young man in any case.
PharmDJohnnie11
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Gotta give his father, Renard, credit here. Many on here laughed when he was touting his son as an NBA player, but he's already exceeded expectations, and making it to training camp with a team is an awesome accomplishment. I know a lot of guys on here had a problem with Renard, but it's really refreshing to see a father do everything in his power to put his son in the best position to succeed.
JohnnyFever
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Happy for Tariq and I've hung out at several games with Renard...he really is a great guy. Big difference between 1 year contract though and basically a G league invite and training camp right? Hope he does well but if my money's on it I think he ends up overseas. Needs more muscle and a better shot. The NBA is full of 6'11 guys who can shoot lights out. Not sure if his shot is consistent enough. That being said, I wish him and Renard well and hope he sticks. If Slick had the passion and dedication Tariq has, he would've been picked top 20 overall and probably made a team IMO.