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indyredmen97
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I would've gladly taken a 5 place dip in SOS for the priviledge of watching Cuse lose. I loved it more than Putin's face when the Russian hockey team was bounced. I only lament that it was BC, but that's of little consequence. My irrational hatred of that program in upnowhere NY has more to do with the real devil, espn, and their blatant contract infringement once the old BE rejected their Tv contract offer. Since Bristol is the home of Cuse broadcasting grads, none of it matters. Since no one (including the "Catholic 7") can (*@% with Disney, none of it gets litigated
When Miami was with us they were winners or contenders for the championship every year in football and their basketball team was in the top 5-7 in the BE. They disappeared in the ACC. Va Tech was a classy football program that was regularly in the top ten with BC every year and both always went to a major bowl. Their bball teams were feared. Notre Dame football contended for a national championship a year before it fled to the ACC and it's BBall team was regularly top 20. Pitt was a continuous champion in basketball and a sure shot for the NCAA's regularly. The football team was all class and was feared. Syracuse was the face of the BE bball and was always a contender in the NCAA's. Their football team was soft but it became softer against lesser competition this year.
The dynamics of fan support and recruitment was the one thing that didn't have a say at the table when the college presidents picked up the extra few pieces of silver in the ACC deal. What the result was is that the ACC basketball league that was second in the nation to the BE is now 5th or 6th depending on the polls. They are still ranked where they were in football with the additions from the big east. no change.
Our former partners and colleagues have purchased mediocrity and confused the fans and their identity. It may pay off in years but Miami, BC, and VaTech indicate that the road is not smooth.
The new BE has it's issues but it has a fan base that understands the game and has increased it's loyalty. The new teams and fans are thrilled to compete in Macy's Window for the first time and recruiting in basketball will take a massive positive step after the tourney.
We have a lot to look forward to. I am not so sure that's true with the latest defectors. If a kid is good and wants to play football, he isn't going to the northern ACC . If he is good enough and wants to play bball he is not going to set his goal with a 3 place team, at best, or a second tier team in in a football league that is far out of town..
We in NY have a lot to look forward to w/the BE.
The dynamics of fan support and recruitment was the one thing that didn't have a say at the table when the college presidents picked up the extra few pieces of silver in the ACC deal. What the result was is that the ACC basketball league that was second in the nation to the BE is now 5th or 6th depending on the polls. They are still ranked where they were in football with the additions from the big east. no change.
Our former partners and colleagues have purchased mediocrity and confused the fans and their identity. It may pay off in years but Miami, BC, and VaTech indicate that the road is not smooth.
The new BE has it's issues but it has a fan base that understands the game and has increased it's loyalty. The new teams and fans are thrilled to compete in Macy's Window for the first time and recruiting in basketball will take a massive positive step after the tourney.
We have a lot to look forward to. I am not so sure that's true with the latest defectors. If a kid is good and wants to play football, he isn't going to the northern ACC . If he is good enough and wants to play bball he is not going to set his goal with a 3 place team, at best, or a second tier team in in a football league that is far out of town..
We in NY have a lot to look forward to w/the BE.
beast of the east
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Frank,
I LOVE the new Big East, and I think the 7 schools that broke away and founded it did a great job of proactively forging a future instead of waiting around for the ultimate collapse of the conference as schools like UCONN pondered their best deal. Two of the three schools they added have done very well in league, and the third (Butler) has played 6 overtime games - not bad for a bottom of conference team.
Having said that, no matter how many ways you slice the value of a successful sports program to the identity and branding of a school, it all comes down to $$ and the impact on the quality of student the school attracts. After all, universities are businesses with a bottom line. There are no government bailouts for failing schools like Dowling, or Adelphi some years back. They have to generate revenue to support operations.
As much as Boston College's marquis sports have tumbled in winning percentage and acclaim, being part of the ACC has rewarded them handsomely financially. Syracuse as part of the ACC will make far more money than as part of the Big East. All of the football schools are now part of an ACC superconference that the Big East could not satisfy the viability problem. Having been on BC's campus twice this year, there is ample evidence of the school's hefty endowment, with a pristine, elegant campus and an insatiable supply of top notch applicants that are willing to plunk down full boat tuition. Speaking to students there athletics is an important part of their college experience. Surprisingly enough a couple of student tour guides mentioned hockey as well as basketball and football.
So, while as fans, we can make an argument of how successful former Big East schools will be in the ACC on the field or hardwoods, there is no question that the immediate $$ are there, and I would think that being part of the ACC will not have deleterious effects on the schools who bolter. It's just a jolt to those of us who look at W's and L's as defining the quality and value of a sports program.
beast of the east
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Paul,
You bring up a great topic, which in a bar would be a six beer discussion (for me that would mean 6 hours, for MJMAHER I'm guessing maybe an hour or so). Loyalty in business partnerships usually begins and ends with how profitable the relationship will be. Schools in a conference are in relationship or partnership, but they are also competitors. Providence, BC, St. John's, Villanova, and Georgetown, Seton Hall, for example and to varying degrees, were competing for the same athletes to fill rosters, and many of the same students to fill classrooms. There was no partnership objective to assist each other in those endeavors, except that the sports conferences make money and serve the purpose of the member institutions. BC had no problem bolting, nor did all of the football schools, when the Big Tem and ACC offered memberships. Do I want business partners like that? Absolutely not, but it's a fact of life. Whereas in most families, husbands and wives usually don't bolt for a better deal elsewhere, even there It happens with a growing frequency. Maybe we are just a culture that only values partnerships to the extent that it is the best deal out there at the moment for satisfying self-interests.
beast of the east
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Just my opinion but I think that in terms of the ability to attract students, east of the Mississippi, the most competitive CATHOLIC schools academically, in this order are:
1) Notre Dame
2) Georgetown
3) Boston College (some would argue that Villanova is slightly better academically based on bus. school and other professional schools rankings, but its tougher to get in to BC)
4) Villanova
5) Holy Cross
5) Fordham (not so clear since they are stronger academically than Providence as a University - Providence is just a college)
6) Providence
7) Scranton
8 ) Loyola MD
BC is so successful now in attracting top students, that it hardly matters if they are in ACC, Big Ten, Big East or anything else. I visited twice this year, and the open houses were overflow both times. Our impression looking at the kids in attendance is that every single one of them has superior qualifications and would go there in a second.
On this, and your prior post, we agree Beast ! It runs counter to our sentimentality, but there are more than plausible reasons why BC did what they did. Do I have to like them for it? No. But certainly they made more money in the ACC, and there school is potentially better off for it.
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Pray4change
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Not b s Jim. It's called a charge.. And you lose..
Great find by CBS sports. Go past the video to see a missed non-call earlier in the possession:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...boeheim-goes-nuts-gets-tossed-in-final-minute
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...boeheim-goes-nuts-gets-tossed-in-final-minute
Coaster1955
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In the post game press conference he indirectly dissed the ACC a couple of times. Like questioning why Maryland was off today. He said "they'd never do that in the other league." And in another instance, he said (something like) "they don't like it down here when I say that" He certanly didn't endear himself to the ACC fathers. And with respect to his act on the court, he said "that's how they'll remember the old coach down here." All of which says to me he's done with the ACC. He fulfilled the request to give it one year to validate the transition of the move from BE to ACC, but I think he's done.
BEAST
per your ranking of Catholic Universities in a previous post:
1. ND thinks they better than Georgetown.
2. Based on personal experience, Holy Cross a big notch above Villanova, not the other way around.
3.We may be leaving out some of the smaller, less known schools with no sports legacy?? I’m not sure.
per your ranking of Catholic Universities in a previous post:
1. ND thinks they better than Georgetown.
2. Based on personal experience, Holy Cross a big notch above Villanova, not the other way around.
3.We may be leaving out some of the smaller, less known schools with no sports legacy?? I’m not sure.
Welcome to the ACC, Jimmy Boy. You were top honcho in the Big East, but now you'll always play second, or even third fiddle, to Coach Ratface as long as he is at Puke.
Not the first time. Duke is richly rewarded, period. Remember the Singleton NCAA game against Duke. Terrible call
that I remember Syracuse shill Ed Coleman saying was not bad. I wonder how that shill thinks about yesterday's call.
Welcome to the south Boeheim. Syracuse fans and administrator are happy with his outburst because of his passion but I
remember when the Johnnie's were robbed against Syracuse and Frachilla did a similar meltdown and got killed for it.
Just different winning and thinking patterns.