Syracuse Game Thread

6 1/2. We fans are pessimistic but oddsmakers will see our recent success, combined with Cuse's loss to Nova, their close victories of late and their depleted lineup as a reason to keep it close. And they will be right.
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Lol, if the Cuse was only favored by 6 1/2 I would have to put a lot on the Orange and even more on the money line which would be about -250. They certainly can keep it close and could even pull an upset but the percentages are that Syracuse wins by double digits. If the line was set at 6 1/2 and the Cuse covered, Vegas might go bankrupt from all the people that would have laid the points. Anywhere from 11 to 14 is a fair spread.
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Per Marillac on Johnny Jungle, the spread is 6 1/2. This blind squirrel may have found his nuts today.
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That's gotta be a typo.
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Vegas line is 16.
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The line is too high in my opinion but that scares me because Vegas does not give away free money. When everyone thinks a line is too high very often the favorite finds a way to cover. I'm not too surprised about the line since some ratings like KenPom have this game as a 17 point differential. I am biased but I believe SJU is vastly underrated right now. KenPom actually has the Redmen losing their last 6 out of the last 7 right now according to his statistical predictions. I actually sent him an email because I don't think his stats are picking up the true value of this team.
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Luckily for us the games are not played on a computer.
 
6 1/2. We fans are pessimistic but oddsmakers will see our recent success, combined with Cuse's loss to Nova, their close victories of late and their depleted lineup as a reason to keep it close. And they will be right.
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Lol, if the Cuse was only favored by 6 1/2 I would have to put a lot on the Orange and even more on the money line which would be about -250. They certainly can keep it close and could even pull an upset but the percentages are that Syracuse wins by double digits. If the line was set at 6 1/2 and the Cuse covered, Vegas might go bankrupt from all the people that would have laid the points. Anywhere from 11 to 14 is a fair spread.
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Per Marillac on Johnny Jungle, the spread is 6 1/2. This blind squirrel may have found his nuts today.
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That's gotta be a typo.
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Vegas line is 16.
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The line is too high in my opinion but that scares me because Vegas does not give away free money. When everyone thinks a line is too high very often the favorite finds a way to cover. I'm not too surprised about the line since some ratings like KenPom have this game as a 17 point differential. I am biased but I believe SJU is vastly underrated right now. KenPom actually has the Redmen losing their last 6 out of the last 7 right now according to his statistical predictions. I actually sent him an email because I don't think his stats are picking up the true value of this team.
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Luckily for us the games are not played on a computer.
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I am not so sure about that, the Madden video game was pretty good at predicting the Super Bowl outcome, lol. I am certainly hoping the computer is wrong because Louisville is going to be almost a 20 point favorite.
 
Zags again on Sampson's NBA readiness and Cuse game;

“@AdamZagoria: Sampson, Johnnies Eyeing NCAA Tournament Bid http://wp.me/p2cwux-n3F #sjtbb”
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At least the NBA scouts agree on one thing about Karr:
"As to criticisms that Sampson can’t shoot and doesn’t have a position, the scout said, “His position is he’s a small forward."
 
Two observations regarding KenPom:

1. St.John's record is now 15 wins and 8 losses and 7 & 4 in conference. Ken Pom only identifies the USF game as a StJ's win yet goes on to predicts a regular season record for StJ's of 17& 13 overall and 9 & 9 in conference. If in fact we only win 1 more regular season game then StJ's final record would be 16 not the predicted 17 regular season wins. I interpret the additional win predicted by KenPom as a prediction that StJ's will score an upset one of the the remaining games.

2. IKenPom is not infallible. KenPom predicted that St.J's would lose Notre Dame, Cincinnati, and Yukon which St.J's won.
 
Two observations regarding KenPom:

1. St.John's record is now 15 wins and 8 losses and 7 & 4 in conference. Ken Pom only identifies the USF game as a StJ's win yet goes on to predicts a regular season record for StJ's of 17& 13 overall and 9 & 9 in conference. If in fact we only win 1 more regular season game then StJ's final record would be 16 not the predicted 17 regular season wins. I interpret the additional win predicted by KenPom as a prediction that StJ's will score an upset one of the the remaining games.

2. IKenPom is not infallible. KenPom predicted that St.J's would lose Notre Dame, Cincinnati, and Yukon which St.J's won.
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Thank you for saying he is infallible. I prefer to say he's a crock of you know what. Predicting games by a computer doesn't work IMO.
 
Basketball is very hard to predict game to game by computer, much more volativity than football, but analysis of stats and trends that a computer can give you will ususally even out by the end of the season so predictive records will usually be pretty accurate.
 
Basketball is very hard to predict game to game by computer, much more volativity than football, but analysis of stats and trends that a computer can give you will ususally even out by the end of the season so predictive records will usually be pretty accurate.
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Does Pom's records usually even out?
 
Basketball is very hard to predict game to game by computer, much more volativity than football, but analysis of stats and trends that a computer can give you will ususally even out by the end of the season so predictive records will usually be pretty accurate.
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I don't agree with that at all. The computers can't even do a decent job of ranking teams in the RPI for what they've accomplished already (Belmont at 18 with their best win against a Stanford team that's barely above .500 in the PAC 12?). Their is no better predictive ability of basketball outcomes with a computer than an above average fan could produce with his/her own eyes.
 
More or less. I mean like you said. Nothing's definite in hoops. Upsets happen all the time. I mean 12 top 25 teams have lost already this week and it looks like New Mexico might go down tonight. Of course KenPoms computers adjust as the season goes on to trends but usually they're pretty good if you look at them from mid January on at being accurate.
 
Basketball is very hard to predict game to game by computer, much more volativity than football, but analysis of stats and trends that a computer can give you will ususally even out by the end of the season so predictive records will usually be pretty accurate.
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I don't agree with that at all. The computers can't even do a decent job of ranking teams in the RPI for what they've accomplished already (Belmont at 18 with their best win against a Stanford team that's barely above .500 in the PAC 12?). Their is no better predictive ability of basketball outcomes with a computer than an above average fan could produce with his/her own eyes.
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FWIW the system we're talking about has Belmont at 42.

FWIW there are very few above average fans, but many delusional enough to believe they are like myself.
 
Back on topic - still no official word on the results of Southerland's hearing from Friday afternoon. I doubt he plays tomorrow, it would have leaked by now.
 
if the Johnnie's want to go to the tournament and prove to the Big East and the world they
have to win tomorrow.
 
14 point dogs... That's a lot of respect for a thin Syracuse team I would've thought 11 or 12 was appropriate.
 
If we lose vs. Cuse and L'Ville, we need to take Pitt and Marquette games. If we can't get either of those 4 we stand no chance.
 
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