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[quote="redmannorth" post=283148][quote="Chicago Days" post=283143][quote="sjc88" post=283139]Nowhere else can fans turn a positive piece on an incoming college basketball player and turn it into a thread about the coach. Don't we have enough of those threads?[/quote]
C’mon man, we’re NY fans!
You make a good point sjc88, and most of us are surprised and excited to have gotten LJF. And looking forward to the 2018-19 season.
No doubt about that.
But we’re anxious and frustrated and concerned about what is looking like a ‘no-show-for-no reason’ by our HC at signature high-PR April HS recruiting events—featuring our top targets for the critical 2019 class.[/quote]
No problem so take your comments about our no show head coach to the Mullin thread or the April Events thread , but why does the same crap have to be repeated in each and every thread ?
We got it, we need a big and Mullin is not as present as he should be.
It is absolutely nauseating to have the same garbage pollute every thread.
Last weekend we got 3 very good commitments. I choose to be happy with the recent surprise commitments and look forward to a better product on the floor this season.[/quote]
Hey redmannorth, I hear you and am as excited as you about the upcoming season.
But we’re rabid and frustrated fans of St. John’s hoops and gripes spill over.
It’s human nature. It’s not diabolical and doesn’t have to be mean-spirited.
But I too will reserve my gripes about our ‘mystery big’, a new AC, and our coach’s lapses to specific threads.
(I’m pro-Mullin btw.)
You’re right. Thanks.
C’mon man, we’re NY fans!
You make a good point sjc88, and most of us are surprised and excited to have gotten LJF. And looking forward to the 2018-19 season.
No doubt about that.
But we’re anxious and frustrated and concerned about what is looking like a ‘no-show-for-no reason’ by our HC at signature high-PR April HS recruiting events—featuring our top targets for the critical 2019 class.[/quote]
No problem so take your comments about our no show head coach to the Mullin thread or the April Events thread , but why does the same crap have to be repeated in each and every thread ?
We got it, we need a big and Mullin is not as present as he should be.
It is absolutely nauseating to have the same garbage pollute every thread.
Last weekend we got 3 very good commitments. I choose to be happy with the recent surprise commitments and look forward to a better product on the floor this season.[/quote]
Hey redmannorth, I hear you and am as excited as you about the upcoming season.
But we’re rabid and frustrated fans of St. John’s hoops and gripes spill over.
It’s human nature. It’s not diabolical and doesn’t have to be mean-spirited.
But I too will reserve my gripes about our ‘mystery big’, a new AC, and our coach’s lapses to specific threads.
(I’m pro-Mullin btw.)
You’re right. Thanks.
I can iust imagine the excitement after these huge recruiting games when the kids come home and tell their parents “ mom and Dad you won’t belueve who watched me play today from the stands from St. John’s “ parents say excitedly “ basketball hall of famers Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond 2 of the best players to ever live ? “ the kids tell their parents “ no Luca “. Parents proceed to go to store and buy a big ass dead fish and come home and take a St. John’s letter and pin it to the fish and say “ son if 2 of the best players ever can’t take time out of their day to see you and send some dude named Luca then St. John’s and Luca sleep with the fish and they are off your list “
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=283190]I can iust imagine the excitement after these huge recruiting games when the kids come home and tell their parents “ mom and Dad you won’t belueve who watched me play today from the stands from St. John’s “ parents say excitedly “ basketball hall of famers Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond 2 of the best players to ever live ? “ the kids tell their parents “ no Luca “. Parents proceed to go to store and buy a big ass dead fish and come home and take a St. John’s letter and pin it to the fish and say “ son if 2 of the best players ever can’t take time out of their day to see you and send some dude named Luca then St. John’s and Luca sleep with the fish and they are off your list “[/quote]
Exactly. Chris was supposed to make-up for his lack of coaching experience by using his celebrity and by applying the legendary gym-rat work ethic. If those mitigating qualities are not being applied, then we are not getting enough from the HC position.
Exactly. Chris was supposed to make-up for his lack of coaching experience by using his celebrity and by applying the legendary gym-rat work ethic. If those mitigating qualities are not being applied, then we are not getting enough from the HC position.
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[quote="L J S A" post=283187][quote="Room112" post=283162]Contribute something.[/quote]
He's unfortunately contributing what seems to be the truth.
No-showing these events is mind-boggling.[/quote]
I don't disagree! I'm just as alarmed as everyone else. That's not my point unfortunately.
He's unfortunately contributing what seems to be the truth.
No-showing these events is mind-boggling.[/quote]
I don't disagree! I'm just as alarmed as everyone else. That's not my point unfortunately.
[quote="sjc88" post=283139]Nowhere else can fans turn a positive piece on an incoming college basketball player and turn it into a thread about the coach. Don't we have enough of those threads?[/quote]
You have not seen anything yet. Just wait until Gaffney, Kofi, Whitney, and Aidan commit here. This place will become a monumental crap show at that point.
You have not seen anything yet. Just wait until Gaffney, Kofi, Whitney, and Aidan commit here. This place will become a monumental crap show at that point.
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=283064]It is mind boggling to read the comments of the nay sayers and Anti Mullin Crew that give so little credit to Mullin and the Staff for getting a diamond in the Rough player like Figueroa but, bemoan the over abused view that we have no Big Man . Next year we have Keita at 6’8” and 240 pounds to pair with Clark , Simon, Figueroa, and potential BE Player of the Year and National Player of the Year , Shamorie Ponds ! Shamorie , Justin, Marvin and Figueroa could average individually from the mid teens to the Mid 20’s in Scoring . And , Keita , who has been dismissed by many Amateurs , was a highly recruited Player by Martin at SCarolina. He could easily contribute more than Owens in the Paint . Also , Dixon , a known quality at SG or PG , is certain to play major minutes as is Trimble as a designated 3 shooter . The Off Whining and Moaning is a worn out tune and those singing it , need a hiatus . Most Posters know who that group consist of .[/quote]
You're speaking in all very positive "what if" scenarios and assuming a lot goes right including the fact that Ponds is even back after saying he's 60/40 leaning towards leaving St. John's days ago. Fans have every right to be frustrated and I'm still shocked many don't realize this. We have not been mediocre guys...we have been DePaul with a few shocking OOC wins for 3 straight seasons. That's what we are right now and until that drastically changes, you can expect unrest from fans which will be totally warranted. Apologies in advance not trying to derail the thread, but the original post I'm replying to was off topic as well.
You're speaking in all very positive "what if" scenarios and assuming a lot goes right including the fact that Ponds is even back after saying he's 60/40 leaning towards leaving St. John's days ago. Fans have every right to be frustrated and I'm still shocked many don't realize this. We have not been mediocre guys...we have been DePaul with a few shocking OOC wins for 3 straight seasons. That's what we are right now and until that drastically changes, you can expect unrest from fans which will be totally warranted. Apologies in advance not trying to derail the thread, but the original post I'm replying to was off topic as well.
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=283159]Needs to be made at the top.
In game coaching-St. Jean.
Game preparation-st. Jean.
Recruiting-Matt A,
Fat dumb and happy-Chris and Mitch.
Shame on Bobby for letting these donors run Lavin out of town and hiring their hero/idol.
Talk about not at all looking forward to the coming season.
Mahoney and Jarvis never looked so good.[/quote]
TLDR.
Seems like a repeat.
In game coaching-St. Jean.
Game preparation-st. Jean.
Recruiting-Matt A,
Fat dumb and happy-Chris and Mitch.
Shame on Bobby for letting these donors run Lavin out of town and hiring their hero/idol.
Talk about not at all looking forward to the coming season.
Mahoney and Jarvis never looked so good.[/quote]
TLDR.
Seems like a repeat.
For whatever reason Tom in Salem has a personal dislike for Chris. It probably goes back to his spats with Maven over the years. His anti-Mullin posts just show what a small minded person he is. He comes off sounding like he is rooting for Chris to fail so that he can be proven right. Actually most of you sound that way.
L J S A
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[quote="AlBovino" post=283226]For whatever reason Tom in Salem has a personal dislike for Chris. It probably goes back to his spats with Maven over the years. His anti-Mullin posts just show what a small minded person he is. He comes off sounding like he is rooting for Chris to fail so that he can be proven right. Actually most of you sound that way.[/quote]
Maybe he dislikes him because it seems like he's getting paid $2 million a year to not do his job? He's been a poster forever, but can you recall any anti-Mullin posts going back years? Because if there was a personal dislike, it would have shown itself years ago -- like me calling Mark Jackson an asshole every time his name is mentioned, for instance. That's an example of personal dislike.
Maybe he dislikes him because it seems like he's getting paid $2 million a year to not do his job? He's been a poster forever, but can you recall any anti-Mullin posts going back years? Because if there was a personal dislike, it would have shown itself years ago -- like me calling Mark Jackson an asshole every time his name is mentioned, for instance. That's an example of personal dislike.
[quote="L J S A" post=283227][quote="AlBovino" post=283226]For whatever reason Tom in Salem has a personal dislike for Chris. It probably goes back to his spats with Maven over the years. His anti-Mullin posts just show what a small minded person he is. He comes off sounding like he is rooting for Chris to fail so that he can be proven right. Actually most of you sound that way.[/quote]
Maybe he dislikes him because it seems like he's getting paid $2 million a year to not do his job? He's been a poster forever, but can you recall any anti-Mullin posts going back years? Because if there was a personal dislike, it would have shown itself years ago -- like me calling Mark Jackson an asshole every time his name is mentioned, for instance. That's an example of personal dislike.[/quote] Great Point. I dont think for a second TIS is Anti Mullin. I think he just believes strongly in what he sees and he mentioned it on a more personal post a week or so ago about him making a bad hire or 2 in his business and how he learned from those mistakes and the warning signs he saw etc so I just think TIS is looking at this from his business point of view and it's something he obviously had feelings about from a personal work level
You are definitely Anti Jackson though. lol
Maybe he dislikes him because it seems like he's getting paid $2 million a year to not do his job? He's been a poster forever, but can you recall any anti-Mullin posts going back years? Because if there was a personal dislike, it would have shown itself years ago -- like me calling Mark Jackson an asshole every time his name is mentioned, for instance. That's an example of personal dislike.[/quote] Great Point. I dont think for a second TIS is Anti Mullin. I think he just believes strongly in what he sees and he mentioned it on a more personal post a week or so ago about him making a bad hire or 2 in his business and how he learned from those mistakes and the warning signs he saw etc so I just think TIS is looking at this from his business point of view and it's something he obviously had feelings about from a personal work level
You are definitely Anti Jackson though. lol
[quote="AlBovino" post=283230]Nobody on this board has insight into whether Mullin is doing his job or not. It is just negative conjecture by a bunch of lousy fans.[/quote]
Disagree Al. I’m ‘pro Mullin’ as are many others, but we have legitimate concerns about staff structure and recruiting strategy and seeming lapses in recruiting execution.
As 72 and others have said, St. John’s is not dealing from strength.
We’re a program trying to claw our way back to respectability and relevancy.
I and many others applauded Chris’s hiring because he’s a Redmen Legend and because of his love for St. John’s and his mythical rep as a gym-rat and a NYC kid who made himself into a HOF-er.
We knew he’d undergo massive OJT-struggles as a HC but felt certain he’d be in the trenches to get top NYC-Area HS talent.
We have yet to see that.
The Staff is short-handed due to the MR mystery and other ‘mysteries’ abound (new AC: who, where, when?).
That’s it in a nutshell.
Disagree Al. I’m ‘pro Mullin’ as are many others, but we have legitimate concerns about staff structure and recruiting strategy and seeming lapses in recruiting execution.
As 72 and others have said, St. John’s is not dealing from strength.
We’re a program trying to claw our way back to respectability and relevancy.
I and many others applauded Chris’s hiring because he’s a Redmen Legend and because of his love for St. John’s and his mythical rep as a gym-rat and a NYC kid who made himself into a HOF-er.
We knew he’d undergo massive OJT-struggles as a HC but felt certain he’d be in the trenches to get top NYC-Area HS talent.
We have yet to see that.
The Staff is short-handed due to the MR mystery and other ‘mysteries’ abound (new AC: who, where, when?).
That’s it in a nutshell.
showing up to off season tournaments to recruit and build relationships w/ programs, coaches, and players is part of the HC job... and what winning programs do. That's why guys like Izzo, Wright, Calipari show up. They likely don't have and send made up positions like "management analysts" in their place or mysteriously allow other AC"s to remain on staff who don't recruit.
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AlBovino wrote: Nobody on this board has insight into whether Mullin is doing his job or not. It is just negative conjecture by a bunch of lousy fans.
Al, the idea that posters who say anything critical of the staff are "lousy fans" doesn't make sense to me. That is what fans do, express their feelings towards their team and staff, which will be sometimes negative and sometimes positive. Many of us who are questioning how hard the staff is working on the recruiting front based on what we read are major Mullin supporters and want desperately to see him succeed. That doesn't mean we can't question staff's actions at times whether in terms of in game strategy, appearance of recruiting efforts etc.
The only time I question objectivity is where posters never have anything bad (or conversely anything good) to say about a coach (whether Mullin, Lavin, Norm etc.); nobody is right or wrong all the time.
Al, the idea that posters who say anything critical of the staff are "lousy fans" doesn't make sense to me. That is what fans do, express their feelings towards their team and staff, which will be sometimes negative and sometimes positive. Many of us who are questioning how hard the staff is working on the recruiting front based on what we read are major Mullin supporters and want desperately to see him succeed. That doesn't mean we can't question staff's actions at times whether in terms of in game strategy, appearance of recruiting efforts etc.
The only time I question objectivity is where posters never have anything bad (or conversely anything good) to say about a coach (whether Mullin, Lavin, Norm etc.); nobody is right or wrong all the time.
[quote="AlBovino" post=283230]Nobody on this board has insight into whether Mullin is doing his job or not. It is just negative conjecture by a bunch of lousy fans.[/quote]
If you think no one has any insight into the program, then I have a bridge to sell you in Alaska. There's always, at least, one person who has insight to what is going on within a football or basketball program at any given school.
We understand what is being said doesn't fit your agenda, so you feel the need to throw barbs and insults. It's (your anger and insults) misplaced. Only if you knew.
If you think no one has any insight into the program, then I have a bridge to sell you in Alaska. There's always, at least, one person who has insight to what is going on within a football or basketball program at any given school.
We understand what is being said doesn't fit your agenda, so you feel the need to throw barbs and insults. It's (your anger and insults) misplaced. Only if you knew.
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I respect all the previous hand full of posts
I think behind them all - extremes one way or the other aside - is care for the program and a thirst for a successful SJU program - on that most of us agree.
If we keep inching along with improved recruiting and Ws, I’m satisfied with that because I don’t see a better alternative to Chris Mullin & staff as presently constituted.
We have risen from the minor league April 2015 depths, are a better team now and I do hope 2018-19
is Chris Mullin’s best -
And yes I prefer to focus on the positive while not ignoring the frustrating aspects AND in that light this new JC All American kid seems like a gem!
All the best
I think behind them all - extremes one way or the other aside - is care for the program and a thirst for a successful SJU program - on that most of us agree.
If we keep inching along with improved recruiting and Ws, I’m satisfied with that because I don’t see a better alternative to Chris Mullin & staff as presently constituted.
We have risen from the minor league April 2015 depths, are a better team now and I do hope 2018-19
is Chris Mullin’s best -
And yes I prefer to focus on the positive while not ignoring the frustrating aspects AND in that light this new JC All American kid seems like a gem!
All the best
"Only if I knew what? Who has such insight of all the posters repeating ad nauseam their negativity towards this coaching staff. As for my agenda it is simple. Allow the coaching staff the leeway to do their job and then judge their success on the court. Last season is over. Chris and company should be judged based on next year's performance, not on guesses by people who have no idea what is going on.
[quote="AlBovino" post=283238]"Only if I knew what? Who has such insight of all the posters repeating ad nauseam their negativity towards this coaching staff. As for my agenda it is simple. Allow the coaching staff the leeway to do their job and then judge their success on the court. Last season is over. Chris and company should be judged based on next year's performance, not on guesses by people who have no idea what is going on.[/quote]
"Only if you knew" what was actually transpiring. I can tell you that I don't go around spouting off without my ducks lined up in a row.
They aren't working hard. Simple as that. If you think it's conjecture, then that's your right. But, I can also tell you that you're wrong. If you don't wanna hear it, then that's fine. But, don't attempt to silence folks who know better.
Is it negativity or reality? You say the former, while it strongly seems to be the latter. My suggestion is you either ignore it or continue to receive rebuttal from people who actually know the deal.
"Only if you knew" what was actually transpiring. I can tell you that I don't go around spouting off without my ducks lined up in a row.
They aren't working hard. Simple as that. If you think it's conjecture, then that's your right. But, I can also tell you that you're wrong. If you don't wanna hear it, then that's fine. But, don't attempt to silence folks who know better.
Is it negativity or reality? You say the former, while it strongly seems to be the latter. My suggestion is you either ignore it or continue to receive rebuttal from people who actually know the deal.
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