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[quote="Paultzman" post=282462]Fwiw hearing this has gone from “considering a change” to “done deal” Just sharing something from reliable guy, but await, like all of you, something definitive at some point.[/quote] That’s good to hear. Waiting for you to remove the question mark from your avi
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=282463][quote="Paultzman" post=282462]Fwiw hearing this has gone from “considering a change” to “done deal” Just sharing something from reliable guy, but await, like all of you, something definitive at some point.[/quote] That’s good to hear. Waiting for you to remove the question mark from your avi [/quote]
Great news Paultz. Thanks!
[/quote]Great news Paultz. Thanks!
[quote="we are sju" post=282457][quote="Chicago Days" post=282456][quote="we are sju" post=282454][quote="Mike Zaun" post=282450][quote="we are sju" post=282448]This place is funny. People still are mad at Fran for doing half of what Rice did but now for reasons that totally escape me Rice is being thought of as some kind of cure all so all is forgiven and forgotten. Look I don't care if they hire him but they won't. Just think it is pretty funny that people are getting all worked up because school won't hire someone no one is hiring.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
When UConn or some other rival picks him up, just remember the fans who begged for him to come. He is a good recruiter and his players love him. He also happens to be in NJ which is one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country right now. It makes too much sense. People do stupid things, you have to give them a chance to live it down. Obviously if the players are not afraid of him and speak highly of him he has changed for the better. He didn't kill anyone, he threw basketballs at players and cursed them out. Stupid, yes but unforgivable? Far from it.[/quote]
Not my point. My point is if he is such a no brainer then how come no one has hired him? Listen if it guaranteed we would make the tourney I would be ok with Son of Sam, Mike Jarvis, Mike Rice or Hillary Clinton being hired. Realistically St John's is not going to sign up for the first stop on the Mike Rice redemption tour. They are just not. And since no one else has hired him you can't kill the school for it. Some of you just get your head stuck on something that honestly isn't even that important and just wont let it go.
If you want to obsess on something obsess about Ponds coming back because that is what everyone SHOULD be worrying about![/quote]
Seems to me, it's irrefutable that we need a solid AC with college hoops experience who is a good recruiter and ideally adept at developing big guys.
Whether that's Rice or not, I don't know, but I do know we need 'him'.[/quote]
Def another recruiter BUT by all accounts Matt does not play well with others so how will that work out?[/quote]
Just curious as to "all accounts", who are the people saying that Matt does not play well with others.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
When UConn or some other rival picks him up, just remember the fans who begged for him to come. He is a good recruiter and his players love him. He also happens to be in NJ which is one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country right now. It makes too much sense. People do stupid things, you have to give them a chance to live it down. Obviously if the players are not afraid of him and speak highly of him he has changed for the better. He didn't kill anyone, he threw basketballs at players and cursed them out. Stupid, yes but unforgivable? Far from it.[/quote]
Not my point. My point is if he is such a no brainer then how come no one has hired him? Listen if it guaranteed we would make the tourney I would be ok with Son of Sam, Mike Jarvis, Mike Rice or Hillary Clinton being hired. Realistically St John's is not going to sign up for the first stop on the Mike Rice redemption tour. They are just not. And since no one else has hired him you can't kill the school for it. Some of you just get your head stuck on something that honestly isn't even that important and just wont let it go.
If you want to obsess on something obsess about Ponds coming back because that is what everyone SHOULD be worrying about![/quote]
Seems to me, it's irrefutable that we need a solid AC with college hoops experience who is a good recruiter and ideally adept at developing big guys.
Whether that's Rice or not, I don't know, but I do know we need 'him'.[/quote]
Def another recruiter BUT by all accounts Matt does not play well with others so how will that work out?[/quote]
Just curious as to "all accounts", who are the people saying that Matt does not play well with others.
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=282450][quote="we are sju" post=282448]This place is funny. People still are mad at Fran for doing half of what Rice did but now for reasons that totally escape me Rice is being thought of as some kind of cure all so all is forgiven and forgotten. Look I don't care if they hire him but they won't. Just think it is pretty funny that people are getting all worked up because school won't hire someone no one is hiring.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
When UConn or some other rival picks him up, just remember the fans who begged for him to come. He is a good recruiter and his players love him. He also happens to be in NJ which is one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country right now. It makes too much sense. People do stupid things, you have to give them a chance to live it down. Obviously if the players are not afraid of him and speak highly of him he has changed for the better. He didn't kill anyone, he threw basketballs at players and cursed them out. Stupid, yes but unforgivable? Far from it.[/quote]
Seriously doubt Danny Hurley will add him to his staff.
As far as I'm concerned, Rice is on his best behavior because he was a lunatic who destroyed his career by being a violent madman to his players. Just about any one of them would have kicked his ass all over the gym if they didn't know that he was holding their futures in his hands. Any coach, at any level, who would do that to kids deserves never to be around them again.
There is a lunatic who coached at St. John the Baptist HS in West Islip, Ted Oberg. I was around him for 2 seasons. He is certifiably crazy, and when he would snap would bellow at refs till he got tossed, and at 6'7 or so was a bully and an imposing figure. He also poached girls from public schools and eventually won some state federation titles. He knows basketball for certain, but as long as he is coaching is a powder keg. He eventually got fired for an incident where he stormed onto the court after receiving a technical and made contact with a referee. The school had enough and he was fired. When he is calm, he is normal,
With Rice it wasn't that he lost his temper once, and that was it. He had a pattern of doing this, not in public like the crazy Oberg, but in the confines of private practices. So he knew enough to control himself in games. Now trying to rebuild his rep, he controls himself in the lower pressure AAU circuit.
You want a qualified assistant, advocate for one. Rice should not be the guy. There are others to choose from, and if he is on the scrap heap it's his own doing.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
When UConn or some other rival picks him up, just remember the fans who begged for him to come. He is a good recruiter and his players love him. He also happens to be in NJ which is one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country right now. It makes too much sense. People do stupid things, you have to give them a chance to live it down. Obviously if the players are not afraid of him and speak highly of him he has changed for the better. He didn't kill anyone, he threw basketballs at players and cursed them out. Stupid, yes but unforgivable? Far from it.[/quote]
Seriously doubt Danny Hurley will add him to his staff.
As far as I'm concerned, Rice is on his best behavior because he was a lunatic who destroyed his career by being a violent madman to his players. Just about any one of them would have kicked his ass all over the gym if they didn't know that he was holding their futures in his hands. Any coach, at any level, who would do that to kids deserves never to be around them again.
There is a lunatic who coached at St. John the Baptist HS in West Islip, Ted Oberg. I was around him for 2 seasons. He is certifiably crazy, and when he would snap would bellow at refs till he got tossed, and at 6'7 or so was a bully and an imposing figure. He also poached girls from public schools and eventually won some state federation titles. He knows basketball for certain, but as long as he is coaching is a powder keg. He eventually got fired for an incident where he stormed onto the court after receiving a technical and made contact with a referee. The school had enough and he was fired. When he is calm, he is normal,
With Rice it wasn't that he lost his temper once, and that was it. He had a pattern of doing this, not in public like the crazy Oberg, but in the confines of private practices. So he knew enough to control himself in games. Now trying to rebuild his rep, he controls himself in the lower pressure AAU circuit.
You want a qualified assistant, advocate for one. Rice should not be the guy. There are others to choose from, and if he is on the scrap heap it's his own doing.
[quote="we are sju" post=282453][quote="SJU85" post=282451][quote="Mike Zaun" post=282441]Let's hope if we get a staff change it isn't the secretary to the intern of the assistant to the assistant coach. Still have no clue why we can't bring Rice on board. We'd instantly be in play for the two 5 star recruits as well and he seems to build great relationships in the hotbed of NJ hoops. Can't compare him to the Tiny situation because he's a solid coach in his own right and he wouldn't be here just to get a major recruit.[/quote]
Possible reasons why Mike Rice might not wind up at St. John's in no particular order:
1. The Head Coach, who usually is the one who picks his staff, doesn't want to make changes to it and will roll with what he has.
2. The Head Coach, might want to make changes to his staff and will, but those changes won't include Rice as the Head Coach doesn't want to bring him on board for his own reasons.
3.The Head Coach would like to make changes to his staff but the St. John's Administration will not let him bring in Rice because of Rice's history at RU.
4. Rice would like to get back into college coaching, but not here.
While I said in no particular order, I believe No. 4 is the least likely reason.
[quote="we are sju" post=282448]This place is funny. People still are mad at Fran for doing half of what Rice did but now for reasons that totally escape me Rice is being thought of as some kind of cure all so all is forgiven and forgotten. Look I don't care if they hire him but they won't. Just think it is pretty funny that people are getting all worked up because school won't hire someone no one is hiring.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
Fran, good recruiter, yes.
Good coach, not so much.[/quote]
And what exactly makes Rice a good coach? His Rutgers stint?[/quote]
I never said he was a good coach nor am I an advocate for or against him.
Possible reasons why Mike Rice might not wind up at St. John's in no particular order:
1. The Head Coach, who usually is the one who picks his staff, doesn't want to make changes to it and will roll with what he has.
2. The Head Coach, might want to make changes to his staff and will, but those changes won't include Rice as the Head Coach doesn't want to bring him on board for his own reasons.
3.The Head Coach would like to make changes to his staff but the St. John's Administration will not let him bring in Rice because of Rice's history at RU.
4. Rice would like to get back into college coaching, but not here.
While I said in no particular order, I believe No. 4 is the least likely reason.
[quote="we are sju" post=282448]This place is funny. People still are mad at Fran for doing half of what Rice did but now for reasons that totally escape me Rice is being thought of as some kind of cure all so all is forgiven and forgotten. Look I don't care if they hire him but they won't. Just think it is pretty funny that people are getting all worked up because school won't hire someone no one is hiring.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
Fran, good recruiter, yes.
Good coach, not so much.[/quote]
And what exactly makes Rice a good coach? His Rutgers stint?[/quote]
I never said he was a good coach nor am I an advocate for or against him.
[quote="gman" post=282458][quote="we are sju" post=282448]This place is funny. People still are mad at Fran for doing half of what Rice did but now for reasons that totally escape me Rice is being thought of as some kind of cure all so all is forgiven and forgotten. Look I don't care if they hire him but they won't. Just think it is pretty funny that people are getting all worked up because school won't hire someone no one is hiring.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
It’s probably because Fran did it here as opposed to another school. And secondly because when Fran went to NEw Mexico there was rumours that he was a lunatic there as well as opposed to Rice who had to sit out and learn from his mistake.[/quote]
When we hired Fran from Manhattan, there were people in the administration at Manhattan who were not unhappy that he was leaving. As good of a job as he did there, he had worn out his welcome with some. Some of the behavior he exhibited here had surface there first. Of course things were a little different then., it was at Manhattan, they were winning, the internet and sites like this one weren’t as widespread as they are now, everyone didn’t have a cellphone let alone one that took pictures and records.
Fran has found his niche and I think he does a great job on tv.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
It’s probably because Fran did it here as opposed to another school. And secondly because when Fran went to NEw Mexico there was rumours that he was a lunatic there as well as opposed to Rice who had to sit out and learn from his mistake.[/quote]
When we hired Fran from Manhattan, there were people in the administration at Manhattan who were not unhappy that he was leaving. As good of a job as he did there, he had worn out his welcome with some. Some of the behavior he exhibited here had surface there first. Of course things were a little different then., it was at Manhattan, they were winning, the internet and sites like this one weren’t as widespread as they are now, everyone didn’t have a cellphone let alone one that took pictures and records.
Fran has found his niche and I think he does a great job on tv.
[quote="gman" post=282458][quote="we are sju" post=282448]This place is funny. People still are mad at Fran for doing half of what Rice did but now for reasons that totally escape me Rice is being thought of as some kind of cure all so all is forgiven and forgotten. Look I don't care if they hire him but they won't. Just think it is pretty funny that people are getting all worked up because school won't hire someone no one is hiring.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
It’s probably because Fran did it here as opposed to another school. And secondly because when Fran went to NEw Mexico there was rumours that he was a lunatic there as well as opposed to Rice who had to sit out and learn from his mistake.[/quote]
The reason why so many fans still hold a grudge against Fran has little or nothing to do with his over-the-top behavior. It has to do with his describing St. John's as his dream job, and then two years after getting it he was entertaining feelers to go elsewhere. The revelation of his behavior only added to the already existing bad feelings.
Hey hire Fran he was a good coach and good recruiter. In fact put me down for that![/quote]
It’s probably because Fran did it here as opposed to another school. And secondly because when Fran went to NEw Mexico there was rumours that he was a lunatic there as well as opposed to Rice who had to sit out and learn from his mistake.[/quote]
The reason why so many fans still hold a grudge against Fran has little or nothing to do with his over-the-top behavior. It has to do with his describing St. John's as his dream job, and then two years after getting it he was entertaining feelers to go elsewhere. The revelation of his behavior only added to the already existing bad feelings.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=282462]Fwiw hearing this has gone from “considering a change” to “done deal” Just sharing something from reliable guy, but await, like all of you, something definitive at some point.[/quote]. Suddenly so definitive. So the Rice thing is out. Do we know that ?
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There is no way Mark Jackson is taking a college assistant job after serving as HC of the Warriors and now in the #1 color analyst's chair. That's a huge step down.
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=282483]There is no way Mark Jackson is taking a college assistant job after serving as HC of the Warriors and now in the #1 color analyst's chair. That's a huge step down.[/quote]
Jackson gave a TV interview when the job here was open, in what turned out to be the Lavin hiring.
He didn't outright say it, but you kind of got the impression that he had no interest in coaching college, and that the number 1 reason for that was the recruiting. If he's not willing to do that as a head coach, no way would he be willing to do so as an assistant.
Jackson gave a TV interview when the job here was open, in what turned out to be the Lavin hiring.
He didn't outright say it, but you kind of got the impression that he had no interest in coaching college, and that the number 1 reason for that was the recruiting. If he's not willing to do that as a head coach, no way would he be willing to do so as an assistant.
Agree this impending AC hire is very unlikely to be Mark Jackson.
At this point, I’m anxious to find out ‘who’ exactly he is (!), wondering when it’ll be announced, and praying/hoping and expecting he’s a solid addition to the Staff.
The right hire should balance and ‘right-size’ the Staff and be an asset to our recruiting and player-development effort and strategy.
Oh let the man bring him on!
At this point, I’m anxious to find out ‘who’ exactly he is (!), wondering when it’ll be announced, and praying/hoping and expecting he’s a solid addition to the Staff.
The right hire should balance and ‘right-size’ the Staff and be an asset to our recruiting and player-development effort and strategy.
Oh let the man bring him on!
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If it turned out to be Mark Jackson, I would turn out to be an ex-fan of the program. Jackson is an obnoxious jerk.
I'm not sure Rice could have delivered his players here anyway, so when viewed through that lens, there are plenty of other candidates for the job. Hell, there are probably small-conference head coaches who would jump at the chance for the gig if we keep paying what we've been paying.
I'm not sure Rice could have delivered his players here anyway, so when viewed through that lens, there are plenty of other candidates for the job. Hell, there are probably small-conference head coaches who would jump at the chance for the gig if we keep paying what we've been paying.
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And as far as the back and forth about Fran, he would have gotten recruiting humming to the point where his coaching acumen would have been less important. If you asked Fran about it right now, he would tell you that Marbury would have been here if he had gotten the gig a couple years earlier.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=282462]Fwiw hearing this has gone from “considering a change” to “done deal” Just sharing something from reliable guy, but await, like all of you, something definitive at some point.[/quote]
That news definitely increased your Karma!
That news definitely increased your Karma!
[quote="L J S A" post=282494]If it turned out to be Mark Jackson, I would turn out to be an ex-fan of the program. Jackson is an obnoxious jerk.
I'm not sure Rice could have delivered his players here anyway, so when viewed through that lens, there are plenty of other candidates for the job. Hell, there are probably small-conference head coaches who would jump at the chance for the gig if we keep paying what we've been paying.[/quote]
It won’t be since the guy recently extended his current deal, but I’d luv the new AC to be Tim Cluess.
I'm not sure Rice could have delivered his players here anyway, so when viewed through that lens, there are plenty of other candidates for the job. Hell, there are probably small-conference head coaches who would jump at the chance for the gig if we keep paying what we've been paying.[/quote]
It won’t be since the guy recently extended his current deal, but I’d luv the new AC to be Tim Cluess.
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