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kranmars said:
At the risk of having this thread devolve into a discussion of how massive a sh*t show our previous coaching staffs were, I apologize ahead of time.

Even Slice, who made his bones by walking the streets and successfully making old fashioned connections, checked out as Mullin’s assistant.

It may have started because he didn’t like the optics of another assistant conducting the timeout huddles, while the head coach stood idly by. Of course things escalated because the personalities on that staff were a toxic mix, and Mullin could not be bothered to put an end to it.

But Slice was getting paid handsomely, and it was unprofessional to react in that manner. He took heat when he was unable to get Heron (who he had a relationship with), but Matt did as a transfer a couple of years later.

Apologies again for sucking folks into the program’s sordid past, when our road ahead has never looked clearer. But holy smokes the level of this program’s incompetency was off the charts.
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Panther has a great take on Slice as far as recruiting and lack of at the end. I know from someone directly in the practices that Slice had huge problem with Mullin letting St zjean basically run things. One argument in particular Slice was arguing with Mullin that Mullin needed to be in charge he couldn’t have a 23 or 24 year old running things and this would never happen at Kentucky. Mullins response “ we aren’t Kentucky “ this comes directly from someone at the practice
 
mjmaherjr said:
Panther has a great take on Slice as far as recruiting and lack of at the end. I know from someone directly in the practices that Slice had huge problem with Mullin letting St zjean basically run things. One argument in particular Slice was arguing with Mullin that Mullin needed to be in charge he couldn’t have a 23 or 24 year old running things and this would never happen at Kentucky. Mullins response “ we aren’t Kentucky “ this comes directly from someone at the practice
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I ask this with all due respect and legitimate curiosity; what is the point of the story? Mullin was the head man and his responsibility was to run the team as best he saw fit. His experience, other than player, was as an administrator, not a coach. Rohressen’s was as a recruiter, not coach, certainly not head coach. Any objection to Mullin’s approach would have been appropriate to present in private, not in practice. My employees can and are encouraged to say virtually anything to me or their managers in private but cross the line in public and they will find out first hand what an utter a$$hole I can be. And that policy of understanding the difference between public and private communications is part of our new hire orientation.
And while Mullin’s approach may have been very unorthodox it is not completely unprecedented; no two situations are ever the same but probably the greatest example was SJU’s own Al McGuire, who rarely ran practice, not infrequently he preferred to be out riding his motorcycle rather than even attend practice. He knew Hank Raymond had that covered better than he could ever do. My point is that regardless if Rohressen was correct or not, going about it that way was wrong; it was Mullin’s call and frankly, who cares how Kentucky did it? Calapari has done less with more consistently; IMO, great, great recruiter, lousy coach.
 
logen said:
I ask this with all due respect and legitimate curiosity; what is the point of the story? Mullin was the head man and his responsibility was to run the team as best he saw fit. His experience, other than player, was as an administrator, not a coach. Rohressen’s was as a recruiter, not coach, certainly not head coach. Any objection to Mullin’s approach would have been appropriate to present in private, not in practice. My employees can and are encouraged to say virtually anything to me or their managers in private but cross the line in public and they will find out first hand what an utter a$$hole I can be. And that policy of understanding the difference between public and private communications is part of our new hire orientation.
And while Mullin’s approach may have been very unorthodox it is not completely unprecedented; no two situations are ever the same but probably the greatest example was SJU’s own Al McGuire, who rarely ran practice, not infrequently he preferred to be out riding his motorcycle rather than even attend practice. He knew Hank Raymond had that covered better than he could ever do. My point is that regardless if Rohressen was correct or not, going about it that way was wrong; it was Mullin’s call and frankly, who cares how Kentucky did it? Calapari has done less with more consistently; IMO, great, great recruiter, lousy coach.
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I don’t disagree with anything you say. When I have an issue with my manager or my partners I always bring it up one on one.

The only reason I wrote it is I was responding to Kranmars post in which he wrote about Slice might not liking optics of another assistant running things and all I did was give a story that directly relates to what he was referencing.

Personally i would have handled it differently and after Panther telling me about why slice wasn’t landing recruits anymore I’m not even saying he shouldnt have been let go
 
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mjmaherjr said:
I don’t disagree with anything you say. When I have an issue with my manager or my partners I always bring it up one on one.

The only reason I wrote it is I was responding to Kranmars post in which he wrote about Slice might not liking optics of another assistant running things and all I did was give a story that directly relates to what he was referencing.

Personally i would have handled it differently and after Panther telling me about why slice wasn’t landing recruits anymore I’m not even saying he shouldnt have been let go
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Got it, thanks for clarifying.
 
This whole thing is like the Parable of the Prodigal son. Welcome back Matt. Make amends and help us win a national championship!
 
logen said:
Got it, thanks for clarifying.
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And that is why I originally apologized for sending this into a sinkhole.

My point was not about coaching styles. Mullin’s problem was not that he was a delegator. It was that he misjudged his lieutenants. He allowed them to become silos, which is asking for a disaster.

I was only highlighting how toxic things were during the first time Matt was here, and how it took a collective effort to embarrass the program at such great heights.
 
mjmaherjr said:
Panther has a great take on Slice as far as recruiting and lack of at the end. I know from someone directly in the practices that Slice had huge problem with Mullin letting St zjean basically run things. One argument in particular Slice was arguing with Mullin that Mullin needed to be in charge he couldn’t have a 23 or 24 year old running things and this would never happen at Kentucky. Mullins response “ we aren’t Kentucky “ this comes directly from someone at the practice
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That was one huge problem and Slice also expected to be the one to be the right hand man as he was the one with head coaching experience.
 
logen said:
I ask this with all due respect and legitimate curiosity; what is the point of the story? Mullin was the head man and his responsibility was to run the team as best he saw fit. His experience, other than player, was as an administrator, not a coach. Rohressen’s was as a recruiter, not coach, certainly not head coach. Any objection to Mullin’s approach would have been appropriate to present in private, not in practice. My employees can and are encouraged to say virtually anything to me or their managers in private but cross the line in public and they will find out first hand what an utter a$$hole I can be. And that policy of understanding the difference between public and private communications is part of our new hire orientation.
And while Mullin’s approach may have been very unorthodox it is not completely unprecedented; no two situations are ever the same but probably the greatest example was SJU’s own Al McGuire, who rarely ran practice, not infrequently he preferred to be out riding his motorcycle rather than even attend practice. He knew Hank Raymond had that covered better than he could ever do. My point is that regardless if Rohressen was correct or not, going about it that way was wrong; it was Mullin’s call and frankly, who cares how Kentucky did it? Calapari has done less with more consistently; IMO, great, great recruiter, lousy coach.
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Rohressen had four or five years experience as a Head Coach at Manhattan College. I am not saying it was successful as he had a losing record.
 
All i would say is that trying to analyze who did what when and why is like being a judge in divorce court. Matt hated Slice and vice versa. Why? At best some of us know partial stories. Slice could have pulled rank on Matt, and Mullin could have sided with Matt. Slice appeared to turn on Mullin, his old buddy, asserting that as associate head coach he knew more about being a coach than Mullin and that there was a hierarchy. Mullin has enough of Slice so he hands over running practice to st jean who was 24 but not acting like a child and who actually had a great personal and professional relationship with him. Mitch Richmond? Hah.

Who was AD? Vacant. No experience coach. Horrible hire of Kentucky's "super recruiter" who for all we know orchestrated this to get 6 years of severance.

Shit show but my guess is as good as anyones as what happened and why.

All I know if i was hiring assistants the only guy i would hire for certain is GSJ.
 
Slice never landed anywhere after the SJU fallout and Kentucky didn’t really miss a beat without him.

The last thing he did in college basketball was oversee the Manhattan search after they they got rid of Masiello and he and everybody involved in that completely botched it
 
Slice is history, no sense in rehashing his time here and rifts.

Matt has huge opportunity in NIL era to succeed here, work effectively with peers, Cragg and primarily Rick to distinguish himself. I am sure he is thrilled to be be back home too.

He brings recruiting skills, contacts and just needs to keep his eye on the ball & help get kids and beef up NIL. Hope he succeeds.
 
paultzman said:
Slice is history, no sense in rehashing his time here and rifts.

Matt has huge opportunity in NIL era to succeed here, work effectively with peers, Cragg and primarily Rick to distinguish himself. I am sure he is thrilled to be be back home too.

He brings recruiting skills, contacts and just needs to keep his eye on the ball & help get kids and beef up NIL. Hope he succeeds.
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Can anyone explain the new revised ruling that allows universities to be more involved in NIL?
 
mjmaherjr said:
Panther has a great take on Slice as far as recruiting and lack of at the end. I know from someone directly in the practices that Slice had huge problem with Mullin letting St zjean basically run things. One argument in particular Slice was arguing with Mullin that Mullin needed to be in charge he couldn’t have a 23 or 24 year old running things and this would never happen at Kentucky. Mullins response “ we aren’t Kentucky “ this comes directly from someone at the practice
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You are correct! Slice was hired to be second in charge and Chris gave that responsibility to Junior.
 
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