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There are definitely 2 different camps when it comes to should the average fan give to NIL. Without knowing anything, I would be shocked if those higher end donors do not get anything in return for their generous contributions. No matter the contribution, if someone is not well off and they give $100 they should get something in return as well IF those others do get something. Their $100 could equate to a rich person's $10,000.
I am still not sure it should be expected that fans provide for NIL. Something just seems way off about this to me. I am trying to change my mind. But without anything in return (and dont say to help put a better product on the floor to root for) I just do not see it at this time.
I am still not sure it should be expected that fans provide for NIL. Something just seems way off about this to me. I am trying to change my mind. But without anything in return (and dont say to help put a better product on the floor to root for) I just do not see it at this time.
Why not lobster rolls too?
As Monte provided on the NIL thread, this was not intended nor put in place for “donations” designed to “buy“ players. It was intended to allow players to earn, that reads MAKE, money via the opportunities listed in Monte’s post. As with all capitalist ventures, ways need to be found so it benefits both sides, the investor and the invested in, if you will.
How it has morphed is how it has morphed and I don’t tell anyone how to spend their money, but nor will I be influenced by anyone else as to how I spend mine.
I will say that the idea that the “small guy” should donate regularly but guys like Repole doing the same is not “sustainable” is with all respect, nonsense. I said before and will say again, either Pitino, Matt A., SJU admin and potential “investors” put a plan in place to generate substantial NIL money from where substantial money exists or SJU BB doesn’t run with the big dogs.
What is not going to get it done is “nickel and dime“ fundraising; that is all well and good, nothing the matter with it for those interested in giving, but anyone who thinks that is what should drive this bus or is going to make a substantial difference just doesn’t get it IMO. It is really that simple, and it is not anything but NIL reality.
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You have to play the game within the rules. Right now NIL collectives are taking donations regardless of the original intent. It would be foolish for us to not take advantage of that.
You’d hope that being in the largest media market in the country (by a wide margin) we’d be able to get some of the most lucrative endorsement deals for our players. The better the product on the court, the more interest will be generated. The interest will bring more NIL dollars and that will get us better players. And on and on.
If we do this right nobody should be able to compete with us. A Lawrence, Kansas business couldn’t touch a sponsorship deal in a NYC market that will go out to 20 million people.
We also have the music business in New York. J Cole is an alum. Jay Z and NAS are big fans. NAS even had St. John’s players in his videos the last time we were good.
Another option to add money to the collective would be a partnership with the Mets. Keith and Ron often talk about how the St. John’s players were always in the clubhouse back in the 80’s.
It seems like a natural fit for two Queens teams. Uncle Steve has billions and we have a ton of mutual fans. The players can do commercials and the recorded in-game announcements/contests. Two St. John’s nights a year with a % going to the collective.
It seems like a natural fit for two Queens teams. Uncle Steve has billions and we have a ton of mutual fans. The players can do commercials and the recorded in-game announcements/contests. Two St. John’s nights a year with a % going to the collective.
Also great local PR for Cohen if he ever wants that casino.
SJUDave
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Do you not feel like landing a player like Simeon Wilcher is a "get something in return" for your $100 lets say? While it may be a nominal amount to some, it does go into the pot to help. This new landscape of college sports is a learning process for everyone, coaches, players, families, and groups like Storm Marketing who have done a great job staying ahead of the game. This is largely the NCAA's fault for jumping the gun without adequate rules in place, but you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.
SJU14
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It is most definitely the NCAA's fault. Made it a free for all with absolutely no regulations or rules. The intention of NIL is basically the opposite of what is happening now.
SJUDave
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I agree and disagree with your post. I agree that it should never have morphed into this, but like i said in a post above, this is the NCAA fault for rushing things. The "small guy" being the fans don't have to do anything and no one is forcing anyone to donate. The issue is, OTHER schools and their fan bases are donating and this is what you have to do to keep up, it's that simple.
And with all due respect since you seem to be calling what Storm Marketing is doing "nickel and dime fundraising" it is a whole lot easier to ask and get $100-$500 than it is to sustain your collective on 5-6 figure asks.
NCAA really had little to do with this. Was settled in the courts, not in Indianapolis. Once one decision went the way of the players then there was nothing they could do but it made it easier for them. NCAA was probably relieved they didn't have to make the rules and decisions themselves.
With all the money associated with College sports I was totally for the players getting their share and having the right to cash in on their Name Image and Likeness. The problem I have, with what this has become is None of the Existing Money is going to the Players. Schools are asking big donors for more money and smaller donors to be part of these collectives. Apparently they won't share the Billions generated by these athletes and instead need a new revenue stream to fund this new process. It feels off to me. I also thought NIL was about athletes retaining rights to make money from their Name Image and Likeness, not get paid to enroll.
AS all this money floats around the biggest issue I see in current college athletics is the lack of scholarships associated with the "Non-revenue" Sports. For a Non revenue sport, there is an awful lot of baseball tickets sold and a ton of baseball on TV. Is it really a Non Revenue Sport ? Yet the most scholarships a division one baseball program can give out is 11.7. Baseball players need to become full scholarship athletes. I don't know the numbers but I believe the Lacrosse process is similar.
WE all hear stories about basketball and Football coaches running players off to free up scholarships. The college baseball world is full of over filled rosters, empty promises and disenfranchised athletes.
AS all this money floats around the biggest issue I see in current college athletics is the lack of scholarships associated with the "Non-revenue" Sports. For a Non revenue sport, there is an awful lot of baseball tickets sold and a ton of baseball on TV. Is it really a Non Revenue Sport ? Yet the most scholarships a division one baseball program can give out is 11.7. Baseball players need to become full scholarship athletes. I don't know the numbers but I believe the Lacrosse process is similar.
WE all hear stories about basketball and Football coaches running players off to free up scholarships. The college baseball world is full of over filled rosters, empty promises and disenfranchised athletes.
I do not think getting a player should be what is considered getting something in return for a fan no.
I admire the storm marketing guys for jumping into this but just don't think this should fall on the fans.
I don’t know but this all sounds very “professional” to me. If that proves to be true then college athletics for many schools will be a thing of the past. I would guess the majority of schools are not making big money if at all.
My parents told me a long time ago that you can’t and shouldn’t tell other people how to spend their money. You want to donate to “collectives” that’s your business. Personally, I donate to the school every year and pay for tickets when I can to go to games. I buy merchandise which frankly in our case is usually difficult to find. Yet I look like a big red walking advertisement for St. John’s.
Bottom line is someone (NCAA, the Govt., someone?) will need to take control and put rules or laws around what’s going on. I thought the idea was to give the players the “right“ to make money on money that was being made by the schools and other entities like video game and uniform makers. Asking “donors” for money to pay kids was not the objective as I remember.
My parents told me a long time ago that you can’t and shouldn’t tell other people how to spend their money. You want to donate to “collectives” that’s your business. Personally, I donate to the school every year and pay for tickets when I can to go to games. I buy merchandise which frankly in our case is usually difficult to find. Yet I look like a big red walking advertisement for St. John’s.
Bottom line is someone (NCAA, the Govt., someone?) will need to take control and put rules or laws around what’s going on. I thought the idea was to give the players the “right“ to make money on money that was being made by the schools and other entities like video game and uniform makers. Asking “donors” for money to pay kids was not the objective as I remember.
It won't be all on fans, if done right. There are some legitimate NIL opportunities already, and more will come with Pitino and on-court success in this market. For the meantime, I get why the blanket approach makes sense, and why the Storm Marketing guys started what they started (and thankful to them, which is why I support). I'm right where you are with NIL, but at bottom contributing $100 or a few hundred bucks is small potatoes for me consider what else I spend $ on for entertainment purposes or otherwise. It adds up annually if you can get buy-in from a fan base, no different than a Presidential contender who gets a ton of really small donations as part of a grass roots campaign. Should this be part of the college basketball fandom -- hell no. At this point in my life, is it worth it for me if that helps make St. John's better -- fortunately, yes. If I really had to justify it for myself, I will gladly make my own coffee at home more instead of spending $4 at Starbucks/Dunkin over the course of a year, or have two less steak dinners annually, and instead put that money towards this.
SJUDave
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It sounds professional because it basically is now. I'm sure contracts are going to eventually be a part of the landscape
If someone feels that it's worth donating to NIL for whatever reason, good for you. For those of us who are not comfortable with the what's going on with NILs and don't want to contribute, good for us. Why must those of you who chose to contribute feel the need to lecture those of us who chose not to contribute? Can't you just all STFU and do what you want?
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Could you bit a bit clearer Monte?
You got a group of posters on here who are so F'in dense and so F'in self righteous, that I'm not sure that I was clear enough.Could you bit a bit clearer Monte?
Agree with you, so don't take my posts on this topic as lecturing anyone on contributing. In fact, one of my posts expressly said I don't think it is cool to spend anyone else's $. If they came off that way, my bad.
I was merely pointing out my logic on why I decided to do so, even though I do not like the fan-collective aspect of NIL and was initially opposed to anything like that.
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