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Marillac2 said:
Two-dozen kids from my high school went to Uconn after they won. I’m only aware of one who went in the three years prior to them winning.

I have always felt that basketball should be the #1 marketing tool for St. John’s and the school should overpay for a Pitino caliber coach. If we got him or Cal 20 years ago things would be so different.
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Pitino has a certain rock-star quality about him, in much the same way that Pat Reilly did. The only other coach we've had who even came close was Lav. He already has us completely relevant again as a basketball program, and that's without us playing one game. No doubt the school as a whole will reap the benefits in the very near future.
 
monte said:
The system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Not my problem. Let everyone who is making all the money off this billion dollar business figure it out. Till then, I'll spend my hard earned money to support the team the same way I always have; tickets, merchandise, food, alcohol.
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I was watching the College World Series last night and they had the new President of the NCAA, Charlie Baker, on. He is touring around the country and he said the biggest topic brought up by both the fans and the schools is NIL. They are all looking for more control and rules. Of course he didn’t say any thing was coming.
 
SJU85 said:
I was watching the College World Series last night and they had the new President of the NCAA, Charlie Baker, on. He is touring around the country and he said the biggest topic is NIL from both the fans and the schools. They are all looking for more control and rules. Of course he didn’t say any thing was coming.
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85' I really don't know how they reel this thing in. They should have thought this through more carefully and rolled it out slowly. Instead it was rolled out seemingly overnight, and with little regulation. It's a mess and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
 
billthetruth said:
the same half dozen. It's like clockwork.
Their ad nauseum facilities argument now turns to NILs.;)
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let it go GIF
 
monte said:
85' I really don't know how they reel this thing in. They should have thought this through more carefully and rolled it out slowly. Instead it was rolled out seemingly overnight, and with little regulation. It's a mess and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
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I agree. I don’t think they know how or even can because. If they try to cap or control it, the cry will be about diaries when they don’t cap coaches salaries, then you have the movement to have players become employees of the schools and those who are trying unionize play. And the NCAA is also scared of the politicians getting involved again.
 
mjmaherjr said:
Exactly. Also packing msg especially the good seats and then the boxes with corporate buys leads to potential higher $ people getting involved with us and NIL.

As of now the only person with a consistent suite at MSG is Eric because he does so much online gambling the gambling companies keep offering him the suite :)
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Hysterical. I hope I’m still high up on the list to get again this year with the changes.
 
Marillac2 said:
I completely agree that we need to step it up to play with the big boys, but there are levels to this. The 500 fans paying $10-20. a month would only represent the floor. Local businesses would be another level, then intermediate caliber donors and Pitino’s wealthy friends, topped off by Repole and other big donors.

I’m happy to pledge $50 a month. I’m sure there are guys on here that will do $100 or more (some way more) monthly. There are members of Pitino’s country club could write $50,000 checks and their lives wouldn’t change at all.
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Beasts of the East said:
I think that's a fantastic attitude. I told Monte a while back that while i would donate to the AD for facility improvements I wouldn't support NIL. i did the first, but also now because of opinions like yours am also supporting NIL.

I understand not all fans can or why they choose not to, but it's really so important in building a winning program and better university.
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I don’t have a lot of disposable money at this particular time, but $250 for the year for Red-white, and/or $9.99/month for NIL isn’t a lot for a place that has done a lot for me and i really want to see be successful. I don’t love the whole NIL idea either, but we are competing based on it and it’s not breaking the bank for most. That’s how I viewed it at least. I will add that the University finally hiring a real President, and said president hiring a real coach also makes it more palatable for me as I know the effort is there to invest in the program.
 
MarkRedman said:
As a former college admissions advisor, I can tell you that it is a known fact that the number and quality of applicants exponentially increases when the flagship sports at a big time school are very successful.

Years ago, I spoke with a rep from the University of Michigan who told me that a win they had in football over Notre Dame the previous week would probably increase the number of applications by around 15% that year.
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When Providence won the Frozen Four applications jumped as well as tuition.
 
Eric said:
My opinion is this. If they expect fans to participate in NIL, then fans need to be somehow able to be at a meet and great type of event sporadically etc. Otherwise, I don’t think fans should be expected to provide NIL. Just my opinion. Doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong.
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Exactly Eric. You want to raise money, don't ask for a donation, offer something in return. Again, this is a business, a big business. Run it like one.
 
MarkRedman said:
As a former college admissions advisor, I can tell you that it is a known fact that the number and quality of applicants exponentially increases when the flagship sports at a big time school are very successful.

Years ago, I spoke with a rep from the University of Michigan who told me that a win they had in football over Notre Dame the previous week would probably increase the number of applications by around 15% that year.
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a spike in applications at a college following athletic success is referred to as the “ Flutie Effect”.

en.wikipedia.org

Flutie effect - Wikipedia

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monte said:
Exactly Eric. You want to raise money, don't ask for a donation, offer something in return. Again, this is a business, a big business. Run it like one.
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This exactly what Storm Marketing has done, running events like player photo and signing events, and events for coaches. Keep in mind that Pitino only has so much bandwidth so is not widely available since his primary job is coaching, recruiting, developing and managing team.

Storm Marketing is unaffiliated with St. Johns. You do the math. If they raise $500k their gross revenue is about $25,000. That's not exactly big business. Their full-time jobs are running a successful law firm and they are operating Storm Marketing at a significant loss. They have run a number of events out of their "take".

If one donates to the Red Cross, one doesn't ask what's in it for me. If you donate directly to your alma mater, it is iften done with a sense of gratitude for the education one received, and with the knowledge that a school like St. John's is providing and always has provided lower cost educational opportunities to less than affluent students.

The value proposition of NIL is that for those fans who invest enormous amounts of their time following collegiate athletics, going to games and posting on websites, is that NIL is the driver towards winning teams. The bigger picture for Father Shanley and those who understand the importance of successful sports teams in branding a university. Athletic success brings in more and better qualified students, improving the academic profile of schools and also are a catalyst for more donations.

Of course not everyone buys into this. The most successful schools have a 50% donor rate of alumni. St. John's I'm told is at the low end of average, about 5%. It's why state schools, funded by tax revenue have budgets to hire top coaches and build great facilities and by and large dominate college athletics.

If you wonder what Jay Wright is doing nowawadays when not broadcasting, he is raising NIL dollars from Villanova alumni. I give Storm Marketing enormous credit. They and their supporters are enabling Rick to compete with the big boys in terms of recruiting. Those folks are the unsung heroes of St. John's basketball right now.
 
Eric said:
My opinion is this. If they expect fans to participate in NIL, then fans need to be somehow able to be at a meet and great type of event sporadically etc. Otherwise, I don’t think fans should be expected to provide NIL. Just my opinion. Doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong.
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I'm sorry but to just donate 10 bucks a month to support NIL. Where we never see where the money is going actually or how it's being used (aka 1k for Soriano advertising). Plus we get nothing in return either . Not being greedy but NIL isn't a charity. Yes players deserve the money but from video game companies advertising agency's not us chipping in blindly. Not sure how that's the original intent
 
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