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I think that we are discussing something that none of us truly understand and are missing some important elements. For example, if St John’s plays well this year and Wilcher is an important part, outside entities may offer him NIL deals based on name recognition, the same goes for other players. What I have seen so far is consistent talk about St John’s in the newspapers and other forums. Pitino alone is responsible for this. When he is successful, opportunities for players will expand exponentially.
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In the existing market, that will not get you much. If Pitino leaves because the NIL money has to be raised via the old school SJU “mom and pop” approach it was not meant to be. Everyone is giddy about SJU playing with the big boys and that means NIL fund raising like the big boys; sorry to those who don’t want to hear it but that‘s just NIL reality.

I completely agree that we need to step it up to play with the big boys, but there are levels to this. The 500 fans paying $10-20. a month would only represent the floor. Local businesses would be another level, then intermediate caliber donors and Pitino’s wealthy friends, topped off by Repole and other big donors.

I’m happy to pledge $50 a month. I’m sure there are guys on here that will do $100 or more (some way more) monthly. There are members of Pitino’s country club could write $50,000 checks and their lives wouldn’t change at all.
 
The NIL process is in its infancy and uncharted waters. At least SJU is investing in the GM position to try to develop additional resources to compete with the “big boys”.

Matt has his work cut out for him. His experience as an agent and recruiter seems to line up with with key ingredients of the role. I applaud this proactive effort.
 
I completely agree that we need to step it up to play with the big boys, but there are levels to this. The 500 fans paying $10-20. a month would only represent the floor. Local businesses would be another level, then intermediate caliber donors and Pitino’s wealthy friends, topped off by Repole and other big donors.

I’m happy to pledge $50 a month. I’m sure there are guys on here that will do $100 or more (some way more) monthly. There are members of Pitino’s country club could write $50,000 checks and their lives wouldn’t change at all.
Totally agree. In any fundraising effort the majority of the money will come from a relatively small percentage of donors. The Netflix model donors $9.99/mo and up are still important as they can cover the overhead.
 
Just read this entire thread all at once and my head hurts. Only comment Trust in Rick.

I lied, the other comment is "winning will take care of lots of things"...we will get lots of ink and T.V. news exposure, endorsement opportunities, etc., etc., if we don't win then we're back where we started.

I think under Pitino we will win and good things will follow.

What I never see happening is that big money types with zero connection to the University will open their wallets, why would they it makes no sense. Big money types with connections yes, and big money types with something to gain, yes.
 
Yes, but consider that fundraising is a year-round effort and commitments to 11 new players happened all at once.

Andrew Slater made a point earlier in the portal season that players should focus on the guaranteed NIL money, as many players were told they can make a certain amount and schools/donors/brands didn't match that amount for whatever reason. Not to say that is something that is happening here but there's so many unknowns with this as it's still in the infancy phase.
 
Andrew Slater made a point earlier in the portal season that players should focus on the guaranteed NIL money, as many players were told they can make a certain amount and schools/donors/brands didn't match that amount for whatever reason. Not to say that is something that is happening here but there's so many unknowns with this as it's still in the infancy phase.
That Slater statement that came to mind when reading Beasts original post. Complete faith in the Staff/admin to fulfill whatever financial obligations were promised to recruits.

Maybe Rick himself has a monthly donation set up to Storm Marketing lol....
 
Totally agree. In any fundraising effort the majority of the money will come from a relatively small percentage of donors. The Netflix model donors $9.99/mo and up are still important as they can cover the overhead.
And think about how much further a base of 500k or so can go with a basketball team amongst 12-15 guys vs that of a football team. It’s not a bad place to start.
 
Andrew Slater made a point earlier in the portal season that players should focus on the guaranteed NIL money, as many players were told they can make a certain amount and schools/donors/brands didn't match that amount for whatever reason. Not to say that is something that is happening here but there's so many unknowns with this as it's still in the infancy phase.
Theres a difference in conditional money and guaranteed with a payout over time. I dont think we are in jeopardy of defaulting just that more hands make lighter work
 
I think all of us good fans should be invested at least a little for all the potential joy we get out of winning big. It’s personal to many of us.
I think that's a fantastic attitude. I told Monte a while back that while i would donate to the AD for facility improvements I wouldn't support NIL. i did the first, but also now because of opinions like yours am also supporting NIL.

I understand not all fans can or why they choose not to, but it's really so important in building a winning program and better university.
 
Just read this entire thread all at once and my head hurts. Only comment Trust in Rick.

I lied, the other comment is "winning will take care of lots of things"...we will get lots of ink and T.V. news exposure, endorsement opportunities, etc., etc., if we don't win then we're back where we started.

I think under Pitino we will win and good things will follow.

What I never see happening is that big money types with zero connection to the University will open their wallets, why would they it makes no sense. Big money types with connections yes, and big money types with something to gain, yes.
The majority owner of the Miami Marlins, not connected to university, but close to Bill J., just made a sizeable donation that was announced at golf outing. Not refuting your point, but this is a great thing!
 
He represented Dingle and Wilcher Octagon Basketball agency
Look you can like him or not like him, and clearly some people I have great respect for on here (notably you and Panther) are in favor, so i am too.

I do think he sorr of left the program in the lurch last time but it is really on Mullin to have built a staff where everyone recruits (Rick does this).

Maybe only Moose, who I also great respect, takes issue with Matt. But to me, he's a proven bulldog of a recruiter who keeps up relationships after he loses a hs recruit, an invaluable characteristic in this age of portal transfers.

We are much better for having him should it happen.
 
Hopefully winning increases # of students enrolling
As a former college admissions advisor, I can tell you that it is a known fact that the number and quality of applicants exponentially increases when the flagship sports at a big time school are very successful.

Years ago, I spoke with a rep from the University of Michigan who told me that a win they had in football over Notre Dame the previous week would probably increase the number of applications by around 15% that year.
 
I think all of us good fans should be invested at least a little for all the potential joy we get out of winning big. It’s personal to many of us.
It's not a question of if we should contribute(I agree we should), it's a question of where and how much we should contribute. As you all know, I have a lot of questions/concerns about this whole NIL thing. I don't understand it, no one does. Now, I don't frankly care if you guys want to contribute to something that no one understands. What you do with your money is your business. But for the love of God, stop telling other people what they should do with their money. That's not directed at you MCN.
 
Look you can like him or not like him, and clearly some people I have great respect for on here (notably you and Panther) are in favor, so i am too.

I do think he sorr of left the program in the lurch last time but it is really on Mullin to have built a staff where everyone recruits (Rick does this).

Maybe only Moose, who I also great respect, takes issue with Matt. But to me, he's a proven bulldog of a recruiter who keeps up relationships after he loses a hs recruit, an invaluable characteristic in this age of portal transfers.

We are much better for having him should it happen.
One question for those in the know. Has Matt been hired for the job or is it still in the works? Hard to tell from reading all the posts.
 
As a former college admissions advisor, I can tell you that it is a known fact that the number and quality of applicants exponentially increases when the flagship sports at a big time school are very successful.

Years ago, I spoke with a rep from the University of Michigan who told me that a win they had in football over Notre Dame the previous week would probably increase the number of applications by around 15% that year.

Two-dozen kids from my high school went to Uconn after they won. I’m only aware of one who went in the three years prior to them winning.

I have always felt that basketball should be the #1 marketing tool for St. John’s and the school should overpay for a Pitino caliber coach. If we got him or Cal 20 years ago things would be so different.
 
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